Mayor De Blasio Has It Right On Charter Schools

[Disir]

De Blasio quickly brought some perspective to the discussion by relating some facts that clearly demonstrated his even-handedness – some would even say deference – to charter schools co-locating in existing public schools. As education historian Diane Ravitch verified in her Huffington Post column the same day, “The new mayor, having inherited 45 co-locations, decided to approve 36 of them.”

Regarding new charter school applications, “of 17 charter schools that applied, 14 were approved,” and the charter chain operated by Moskowitz, Success Academy, won five out of the eight new schools it wanted.

Does that sound anti-charter to you?

...Targeting Poor Kids For Funding Cuts

Of course, the experience of attending a dilapidated school is not universal. The SEIU study found that schools in the most impoverished Census tracts in the city were in the worst condition. “The higher the percentage of students who qualify for free or reduced price meals, the worse the condition of the facility.”

In fact, discriminating against the schools poor children attend is a national condition. Yet another recent study, also reported by Education Week, found state governments have responded to recent budget recoveries by still being stingy with school funding, “with about half the states making cuts and 14 spending less in 2011 than in 2007.”

But more alarming, “most states did not allot more money for high-poverty districts,” with only 14 states funding high-poverty districts at higher rates than low-poverty districts. In other words, most states now give school districts that need money the most, the least, while schools with more well to do kids are left better off, in general.

Among the grossest offenders, the Morning Joe crew may have been interested to learn, was the state of New York and governor Cuomo.

Lead author of the report cited above, Rutgers professor Bruce Baker, looked at funding inequities in New York and found schools serving high percentages of impoverished children and needing the most help from the state are “screwed.” And he contended, “Current leadership in New York State has done little to really help – and arguably much to hurt” the schools serving the state’s poorest children.

Baker, in another post, found fault with Cuomo’s leadership in particular, stating Cuomo “a) has deprived districts in some cases of over $6,000 per pupil in state aid they are supposed to get, and b) has imposed local tax limits that prohibit those districts from even partially closing the gap the state – the Governor – has created for them.”

Baker concluded, “What the New York public should NOT tolerate, is a Governor and Legislature who refuse to provide sufficient resources to high need schools and then turn around and blame the schools and communities for their own failures. (all the while, protecting billions of dollars in separate aid programs that drive funds to wealthy districts).”

Mayor De Blasio Has It Right On Charter Schools

Cuomo really is a sad case. All of that propaganda doesn't hide what is really going on.

 

[martybegan]

De Blasio quickly brought some perspective to the discussion by relating some facts that clearly demonstrated his even-handedness – some would even say deference – to charter schools co-locating in existing public schools. As education historian Diane Ravitch verified in her Huffington Post column the same day, “The new mayor, having inherited 45 co-locations, decided to approve 36 of them.”

Regarding new charter school applications, “of 17 charter schools that applied, 14 were approved,” and the charter chain operated by Moskowitz, Success Academy, won five out of the eight new schools it wanted.

Does that sound anti-charter to you?

...Targeting Poor Kids For Funding Cuts

Of course, the experience of attending a dilapidated school is not universal. The SEIU study found that schools in the most impoverished Census tracts in the city were in the worst condition. “The higher the percentage of students who qualify for free or reduced price meals, the worse the condition of the facility.”

In fact, discriminating against the schools poor children attend is a national condition. Yet another recent study, also reported by Education Week, found state governments have responded to recent budget recoveries by still being stingy with school funding, “with about half the states making cuts and 14 spending less in 2011 than in 2007.”

But more alarming, “most states did not allot more money for high-poverty districts,” with only 14 states funding high-poverty districts at higher rates than low-poverty districts. In other words, most states now give school districts that need money the most, the least, while schools with more well to do kids are left better off, in general.

Among the grossest offenders, the Morning Joe crew may have been interested to learn, was the state of New York and governor Cuomo.

Lead author of the report cited above, Rutgers professor Bruce Baker, looked at funding inequities in New York and found schools serving high percentages of impoverished children and needing the most help from the state are “screwed.” And he contended, “Current leadership in New York State has done little to really help – and arguably much to hurt” the schools serving the state’s poorest children.

Baker, in another post, found fault with Cuomo’s leadership in particular, stating Cuomo “a) has deprived districts in some cases of over $6,000 per pupil in state aid they are supposed to get, and b) has imposed local tax limits that prohibit those districts from even partially closing the gap the state – the Governor – has created for them.”

Baker concluded, “What the New York public should NOT tolerate, is a Governor and Legislature who refuse to provide sufficient resources to high need schools and then turn around and blame the schools and communities for their own failures. (all the while, protecting billions of dollars in separate aid programs that drive funds to wealthy districts).”

Mayor De Blasio Has It Right On Charter Schools

Cuomo really is a sad case. All of that propaganda doesn't hide what is really going on.

Lol, you get your check from the teacher's union for this post?

 

[Disir]

De Blasio quickly brought some perspective to the discussion by relating some facts that clearly demonstrated his even-handedness – some would even say deference – to charter schools co-locating in existing public schools. As education historian Diane Ravitch verified in her Huffington Post column the same day, “The new mayor, having inherited 45 co-locations, decided to approve 36 of them.”

Regarding new charter school applications, “of 17 charter schools that applied, 14 were approved,” and the charter chain operated by Moskowitz, Success Academy, won five out of the eight new schools it wanted.

Does that sound anti-charter to you?

...Targeting Poor Kids For Funding Cuts

Of course, the experience of attending a dilapidated school is not universal. The SEIU study found that schools in the most impoverished Census tracts in the city were in the worst condition. “The higher the percentage of students who qualify for free or reduced price meals, the worse the condition of the facility.”

In fact, discriminating against the schools poor children attend is a national condition. Yet another recent study, also reported by Education Week, found state governments have responded to recent budget recoveries by still being stingy with school funding, “with about half the states making cuts and 14 spending less in 2011 than in 2007.”

But more alarming, “most states did not allot more money for high-poverty districts,” with only 14 states funding high-poverty districts at higher rates than low-poverty districts. In other words, most states now give school districts that need money the most, the least, while schools with more well to do kids are left better off, in general.

Among the grossest offenders, the Morning Joe crew may have been interested to learn, was the state of New York and governor Cuomo.

Lead author of the report cited above, Rutgers professor Bruce Baker, looked at funding inequities in New York and found schools serving high percentages of impoverished children and needing the most help from the state are “screwed.” And he contended, “Current leadership in New York State has done little to really help – and arguably much to hurt” the schools serving the state’s poorest children.

Baker, in another post, found fault with Cuomo’s leadership in particular, stating Cuomo “a) has deprived districts in some cases of over $6,000 per pupil in state aid they are supposed to get, and b) has imposed local tax limits that prohibit those districts from even partially closing the gap the state – the Governor – has created for them.”

Baker concluded, “What the New York public should NOT tolerate, is a Governor and Legislature who refuse to provide sufficient resources to high need schools and then turn around and blame the schools and communities for their own failures. (all the while, protecting billions of dollars in separate aid programs that drive funds to wealthy districts).”

Mayor De Blasio Has It Right On Charter Schools

Cuomo really is a sad case. All of that propaganda doesn't hide what is really going on.

Lol, you get your check from the teacher's union for this post?

Pffttt.

Marty, Marty, Marty... Should I ask what your cut is on charter schools or if you are pr for the ACT or SAT?

It all amounts to a bunch of silly nonsense to divert attention from her escapades and his clownish funding. Which is what a whole lot of people don't want anyone to pay attention to. The funding issue in a great many states. Careful. That whole fiscal responsibility thing that many have been touting might get thrown out the window.

 

[martybegan]

Cuomo really is a sad case. All of that propaganda doesn't hide what is really going on.

Lol, you get your check from the teacher's union for this post?

Pffttt.

Marty, Marty, Marty... Should I ask what your cut is on charter schools or if you are pr for the ACT or SAT?

It all amounts to a bunch of silly nonsense to divert attention from her escapades and his clownish funding. Which is what a whole lot of people don't want anyone to pay attention to. The funding issue in a great many states. Careful. That whole fiscal responsibility thing that many have been touting might get thrown out the window.

If you want to worry about funding worry about the normal NYC public schools which spend assloads of money for terrible results. Charter Schools give at least some of the kids a chance to get out of their poverty. But the progressive statist view is that if one is left behind, all must suffer.

Charters produce results, which is why the teachers unions and those who support them want them gone, and parents in poor areas want more of them.

 

[Disir]

Lol, you get your check from the teacher's union for this post?

Pffttt.

Marty, Marty, Marty... Should I ask what your cut is on charter schools or if you are pr for the ACT or SAT?

It all amounts to a bunch of silly nonsense to divert attention from her escapades and his clownish funding. Which is what a whole lot of people don't want anyone to pay attention to. The funding issue in a great many states. Careful. That whole fiscal responsibility thing that many have been touting might get thrown out the window.

If you want to worry about funding worry about the normal NYC public schools which spend assloads of money for terrible results. Charter Schools give at least some of the kids a chance to get out of their poverty. But the progressive statist view is that if one is left behind, all must suffer.

Charters produce results, which is why the teachers unions and those who support them want them gone, and parents in poor areas want more of them.

But most of the charter schools don't produce results. At best they do the same as or worse then public education. When they do, you find that they kicked out the kids with disabilities or those that are considered at risk. The ones that the public schools have to take. Further, that doesn't mean that you don't not pay attention to funding scams.

The progressive statist view......really? Come on, now.

You did see this, right?

Baker, in another post, found fault with Cuomo’s leadership in particular, stating Cuomo “a) has deprived districts in some cases of over $6,000 per pupil in state aid they are supposed to get, and b) has imposed local tax limits that prohibit those districts from even partially closing the gap the state – the Governor – has created for them.”

Baker concluded, “What the New York public should NOT tolerate, is a Governor and Legislature who refuse to provide sufficient resources to high need schools and then turn around and blame the schools and communities for their own failures. (all the while, protecting billions of dollars in separate aid programs that drive funds to wealthy districts).”

New York’s state leadership, and Governor Cuomo, have done such a poor job of funding the public school that a lawsuit has been filed arguing “that by cutting K-12 funding over the last several years, state officials have failed to live up to their constitutional obligation to provide an adequate educational experience for students.”

 

[martybegan]

Pffttt.

Marty, Marty, Marty... Should I ask what your cut is on charter schools or if you are pr for the ACT or SAT?

It all amounts to a bunch of silly nonsense to divert attention from her escapades and his clownish funding. Which is what a whole lot of people don't want anyone to pay attention to. The funding issue in a great many states. Careful. That whole fiscal responsibility thing that many have been touting might get thrown out the window.

If you want to worry about funding worry about the normal NYC public schools which spend assloads of money for terrible results. Charter Schools give at least some of the kids a chance to get out of their poverty. But the progressive statist view is that if one is left behind, all must suffer.

Charters produce results, which is why the teachers unions and those who support them want them gone, and parents in poor areas want more of them.

But most of the charter schools don't produce results. At best they do the same as or worse then public education. When they do, you find that they kicked out the kids with disabilities or those that are considered at risk. The ones that the public schools have to take. Further, that doesn't mean that you don't not pay attention to funding scams.

The progressive statist view......really? Come on, now.

You did see this, right?

Baker, in another post, found fault with Cuomo’s leadership in particular, stating Cuomo “a) has deprived districts in some cases of over $6,000 per pupil in state aid they are supposed to get, and b) has imposed local tax limits that prohibit those districts from even partially closing the gap the state – the Governor – has created for them.”

Baker concluded, “What the New York public should NOT tolerate, is a Governor and Legislature who refuse to provide sufficient resources to high need schools and then turn around and blame the schools and communities for their own failures. (all the while, protecting billions of dollars in separate aid programs that drive funds to wealthy districts).”

New York’s state leadership, and Governor Cuomo, have done such a poor job of funding the public school that a lawsuit has been filed arguing “that by cutting K-12 funding over the last several years, state officials have failed to live up to their constitutional obligation to provide an adequate educational experience for students.”

You got any facts to back up your opinions? And the concept of children who are not up to the task not staying in the charters is fine. So basically smarter kids should be dragged down by those around them?

Also charters initially take everyone, they just don't put up with the crap normal public schools do, and can't take care of because if they segregated the problem students they would be sued by parents who don't realize their kids are horrible.

 

[Disir]

If you want to worry about funding worry about the normal NYC public schools which spend assloads of money for terrible results. Charter Schools give at least some of the kids a chance to get out of their poverty. But the progressive statist view is that if one is left behind, all must suffer.

Charters produce results, which is why the teachers unions and those who support them want them gone, and parents in poor areas want more of them.

But most of the charter schools don't produce results. At best they do the same as or worse then public education. When they do, you find that they kicked out the kids with disabilities or those that are considered at risk. The ones that the public schools have to take. Further, that doesn't mean that you don't not pay attention to funding scams.

The progressive statist view......really? Come on, now.

You did see this, right?

Baker, in another post, found fault with Cuomo’s leadership in particular, stating Cuomo “a) has deprived districts in some cases of over $6,000 per pupil in state aid they are supposed to get, and b) has imposed local tax limits that prohibit those districts from even partially closing the gap the state – the Governor – has created for them.”

Baker concluded, “What the New York public should NOT tolerate, is a Governor and Legislature who refuse to provide sufficient resources to high need schools and then turn around and blame the schools and communities for their own failures. (all the while, protecting billions of dollars in separate aid programs that drive funds to wealthy districts).”

New York’s state leadership, and Governor Cuomo, have done such a poor job of funding the public school that a lawsuit has been filed arguing “that by cutting K-12 funding over the last several years, state officials have failed to live up to their constitutional obligation to provide an adequate educational experience for students.”

You got any facts to back up your opinions? And the concept of children who are not up to the task not staying in the charters is fine. So basically smarter kids should be dragged down by those around them?

Also charters initially take everyone, they just don't put up with the crap normal public schools do, and can't take care of because if they segregated the problem students they would be sued by parents who don't realize their kids are horrible.

I have already posted the links to two studies by Stanford, the one from 2009 and the one from 2013. I have even posted links to the failure of cyber schools. We have this pattern. I post the links and you guys ignore them. Just like the funding issue from above that you didn't see because you didn't bother. So, you can either look them up yourself or find them in this subsection.

Further, I have already addressed the issue of inclusion. Charters throw out anyone that might interfere with their tests and still can't get the job done. Few do well. Public schools have no choice but to take them and they won't fund for teachers that are qualified to work with special needs students. Back to the funding. Some of those schools will go out of their way to throw out kids that they know will do poorly in testing.

Greatest theory in the world. Teach to all three levels in the classroom. There is theory and then there is application. So, what you want to hear is that the problem is unions and what you want to hear is that charter and cyber schools are the best and you are unwilling to look at either legislation or the intentional defunding of the public education system. Then when you see problems resulting from the intentional defunding, you can sit on the sidelines and say, "See?"

Follow the money.

 

[martybegan]

But most of the charter schools don't produce results. At best they do the same as or worse then public education. When they do, you find that they kicked out the kids with disabilities or those that are considered at risk. The ones that the public schools have to take. Further, that doesn't mean that you don't not pay attention to funding scams.

The progressive statist view......really? Come on, now.

You did see this, right?

You got any facts to back up your opinions? And the concept of children who are not up to the task not staying in the charters is fine. So basically smarter kids should be dragged down by those around them?

Also charters initially take everyone, they just don't put up with the crap normal public schools do, and can't take care of because if they segregated the problem students they would be sued by parents who don't realize their kids are horrible.

I have already posted the links to two studies by Stanford, the one from 2009 and the one from 2013. I have even posted links to the failure of cyber schools. We have this pattern. I post the links and you guys ignore them. Just like the funding issue from above that you didn't see because you didn't bother. So, you can either look them up yourself or find them in this subsection.

Further, I have already addressed the issue of inclusion. Charters throw out anyone that might interfere with their tests and still can't get the job done. Few do well. Public schools have no choice but to take them and they won't fund for teachers that are qualified to work with special needs students. Back to the funding. Some of those schools will go out of their way to throw out kids that they know will do poorly in testing.

Greatest theory in the world. Teach to all three levels in the classroom. There is theory and then there is application. So, what you want to hear is that the problem is unions and what you want to hear is that charter and cyber schools are the best and you are unwilling to look at either legislation or the intentional defunding of the public education system. Then when you see problems resulting from the intentional defunding, you can sit on the sidelines and say, "See?"

Follow the money.

Yet minority parents in bad neighborhoods clamor for these things. I guess they are too dumb to realize that according to you, they simply don't work. You see public education as a monolith, where it should be about the individual students, and if some can do better than others you let them get ahead, instead of holding them back with the rest.

Yes, Charters can hold parents and students more accountable, THATS THE WHOLE POINT. when you make people accountable, including the teachers and the administrators things get done. In the regular public schools the teachers are not accountable, the students are not accountable, the parents are not accountable, and the DOE is definitely not accountable.

 

[Disir]

Where is the accountability, Marty?
Courthouse News Service

K12 Inc. Sued Over For-Profit Education Company's Tax-Subsidized Funding Manipulation

SHAREHOLDER ALERT: Levi & Korsinsky, LLP Announces Class Action Involving K12, INC. and Its Board of Directors and a Deadline of April 1, 2014 to Seek a Lead Plaintiff Position -- LRN - MarketWatch

http://www.auditorgen.state.pa.us/Department/Press/CyberCharterSpecialReport201206.pdf

It's about profit. If I have time later, then I will hunt down the astroturfing links.

 

[martybegan]

Where is the accountability, Marty?
Courthouse News Service

K12 Inc. Sued Over For-Profit Education Company's Tax-Subsidized Funding Manipulation

SHAREHOLDER ALERT: Levi & Korsinsky, LLP Announces Class Action Involving K12, INC. and Its Board of Directors and a Deadline of April 1, 2014 to Seek a Lead Plaintiff Position -- LRN - MarketWatch

http://www.auditorgen.state.pa.us/Department/Press/CyberCharterSpecialReport201206.pdf

It's about profit. If I have time later, then I will hunt down the astroturfing links.

So there are lawsuits, but I don't see a decision here.

And how does this involve the on the ground charters in NYC?

And again, how accountable are regular public schools? How successful are lawsuits against them? Oh right, they claim governmental immunity.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives hate black who are trying to get off of the Democrat Plantation. This is when the Democrats miss the KKK.

 

[Disir]

Where is the accountability, Marty?
Courthouse News Service

K12 Inc. Sued Over For-Profit Education Company's Tax-Subsidized Funding Manipulation

SHAREHOLDER ALERT: Levi & Korsinsky, LLP Announces Class Action Involving K12, INC. and Its Board of Directors and a Deadline of April 1, 2014 to Seek a Lead Plaintiff Position -- LRN - MarketWatch

http://www.auditorgen.state.pa.us/Department/Press/CyberCharterSpecialReport201206.pdf

It's about profit. If I have time later, then I will hunt down the astroturfing links.

So there are lawsuits, but I don't see a decision here.

And how does this involve the on the ground charters in NYC?

And again, how accountable are regular public schools? How successful are lawsuits against them? Oh right, they claim governmental immunity.

The first link is the lawsuit from Eva Moskowitz to avoid transparency. Public schools don't have governmental immunity. That's ridiculous. Most of your SC decisions involving education stem from lawsuits. You made that up.

Further, your public schools have to take everyone. When you destroy the funding, they are crippled. You know that. They have to abide by the rules. Charter schools apparently don't.

 

[Disir]

Progressives hate black who are trying to get off of the Democrat Plantation. This is when the Democrats miss the KKK.

Rightwingers throw away tax dollars into failing programs and open them up to theft of public funds. This was once an accusation leveled at liberals. Sure your not a liberal?

 

[Unkotare]

Rightwingers throw away tax dollars into failing programs and open them up to theft of public funds.

Like public schools?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives hate black who are trying to get off of the Democrat Plantation. This is when the Democrats miss the KKK.

Rightwingers throw away tax dollars into failing programs and open them up to theft of public funds. This was once an accusation leveled at liberals. Sure your not a liberal?

Public schools are the biggest waste of tax dollars; it's supporting Intellectual Pedophilia

I'll bet the teacher who jacked off in the Hall is still employed as a teacher

 

[initforme]

"Charters throw out anyone that might interfere with their tests and still can't get the job done."

Well why not ship all the behavior problem and very low performing students to the charter schools? If we need schools to ensure those kids are testing at a high if not higher level than regular students then why not do this and give them another school to go to besides the public schools? Makes sense to me. Perhaps charter schools are more equipped to deal with habitual truancy, drug problems, etc.

 

[initforme]

If all kids get a college education imagine the opportunities out there and how none of them would have to take a low wage blue collar job. Those jobs need to be taken out and the way to do it is to ensure that kids are over - educated for those jobs then nobody ends up doing them.

 

[Unkotare]

If all kids get a college education imagine the opportunities out there and how none of them would have to take a low wage blue collar job. Those jobs need to be taken out and the way to do it is to ensure that kids are over - educated for those jobs then nobody ends up doing them.

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[Book of Jeremiah]

De Blasio spent time in Russia. He worked with the Sandanistas and sided with the Palestinians against Israelis. He's a hardened communist in my opinion. He's not my cup of tea.

The Yeshiva World Was Bill de Blasio Aware Of The Sandinistas/PLO Joint War Against Israel? « » Frum Jewish NewsMr. de Blasio brushed off the criticism, defending his support for the Sandinistas at the time and offering no regrets for his past activity as opposed to US Foreign Policy.

“I think the U.S. policies at that time were wrong. This is something I’ve been open about for years.,” he said in an interview with PIX11. “I was very proud to be involved in that work because I think the United States funding the Contra forces in Central America, intervening in other countries — I think that was bad policy.

“That was Reagan-Bush policy that was failed and the fact is, people in this country turned against it.”

While criticizing Reagen’s foreign policy and its intervening in other countries, Mr. de Blasio did not make public the fact that the Sandinistas regime had an intimate relationship with the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) headed by none other than Yassar Arafat, at the same time Mr. de Blasio was supporting the regime. The PLO was considered by the United States and Israel to be a terrorist organization until the Madrid Conference in 1991.

In fact, Nicarague was the first country in Central America to give the PLO (a terrorist group) diplomatic representation. “We are together, your enemies are our enemies, your friends are ours, and if you suffer aggression, we will fight on your side.” said Yasser Arafat at the opening of the new mission of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the Nicaraguan capital of Managua, in 1980.

In 1985, President Reagan, in a hard-hitting address to some 60 legislators from the Western Hemisphere, mostly from Latin America, charged there is a “new danger in Central America” from the support given Nicaragua`s Sandinistas for subversion of its neighbors by Libya, the Palestine Liberation Organization and Iran.

“Sandinistas have been attacking their neighbors since August 1979,” he said. “A new danger we see in Central America is the support being given the Sandinistas by Colonel (Moammar) Khadafy`s Libya, the PLO and most recently (Ayatollah) Khomeini`s Iran.”

con't on the link

 

[Disir]

If all kids get a college education imagine the opportunities out there and how none of them would have to take a low wage blue collar job. Those jobs need to be taken out and the way to do it is to ensure that kids are over - educated for those jobs then nobody ends up doing them.

Therefore, you support the funding formulas for charter schools ......