Mauna Loa shows that reducing economic Activity has NO EFFECT on CO2

[jc456]

No problem.

Understanding the significance of the tropospheric hot spot

<p>Satellite measurements match model results apart from in the tropics. There is uncertainty with the tropic data due to how various teams correct for satellite drift. The U.S. Climate Change Science Program conclude the discrepancy is most likely due to data errors.</p>

skepticalscience.com

An interesting thing about the tropospheric hot spot is that nobody knew it was there. Then AGW theory predicted it would be there, so they went and specifically looked for it, and there it was.

Where’s the evidence? That’s no evidence! You make me laugh

 

[mamooth]

Where is the prediction in "the increase in CO2 is from humans"?

"We predict the isotope ratios will show the increased CO2 is due to humans"

See? Prediction.

None of your predictions are predictions.

You're just trolling, so bye-bye.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"We predict the isotope ratios will show the increased CO2 is due to humans"

See? Prediction.


You're just trolling, so bye-bye.

"We predict the isotope ratios will show the increased CO2 is due to humans"

Who made that prediction? When?

If you ever come up with a real list of real predictions that prove AGW theory is correct, let me know.

Maybe when you stop running away. LOL!

 

[westwall]

"We predict the isotope ratios will show the increased CO2 is due to humans"

Who made that prediction? When?

If you ever come up with a real list of real predictions that prove AGW theory is correct, let me know.

Maybe when you stop running away. LOL!

How do they PROVE that the CO2 is from humans. What is the marker that they use?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do they PROVE that the CO2 is from humans. What is the marker that they use?

Isotope ratios.

Fossil fuel CO2 has no C-14 and more C-12.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Sure.

The rise in CO2 levels, and the isotope ratios that show the human origin of the CO2.

The direction and magnitude of the temperature change.

The rising oceans.

The tropospheric hot spot being right where predicted.

The stratospheric cooling.

The polar amplification.

The greater warming at night and in winter.

The increase in backradiation.

The last 4 there have no natural explanation, which is how we know the current fast warming isn't natural.

Already showed that the big lie about the Hot Spot was created by Dr. Sherwood and his contrived weather balloon data crap. The NOAA doesn't accept it to this day which means Sherwood's lie failed.

LINK

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It has been COOLING for around 7-8 years now.

The RATE of warming has been declining since the early 1990's.

Figure 2. Evolution of the warming rate for 15-year periods between 1979 and 2022 in °C/decade and its linear trend, from monthly UAH 6.0 satellite temperature data.

Each point on the curve in Figure 2 is the warming rate for the 15 years before that month. The Pause shows up prominently as the only period with a negative rate. For the current cooling period to appear on that graph with a negative rate would require the global temperature to remain below the 2016 level at the end of 2030.

But the good news that no one is telling us is that global warming is slowing down. The 15-year rate was very high from the mid-1980s to the late 1990s, reaching 0.35 °C/decade. The average over the entire period of satellite records is 1.3 °C per century or 0.13 °C/decade, but the long-term trend has fallen from 1.6 °C/century to 1 °C/century today. The current cooling period is contributing to this decline in the long-term warming rate.

LINK

Since 1979 Warming spikes are aligned with El-Nino's flat to cooling in between spikes there is no signature of CO2 warming effect in it.

 

[mamooth]

Already showed that the big lie about the Hot Spot was created by Dr. Sherwood

This is one reason why it's so good to be on the rational side. Since we simply follow the evidence, wherever it leads, we don't have to spend our days pushing dopey conspiracy theories to explain why reality always contradicts us.

It has been COOLING for around 7-8 years now.

Like that.

Figure 2. Evolution of the warming rate for 15-year periods between 1979 and 2022 in °C/decade and its linear trend, from monthly UAH 6.0 satellite temperature data.

Fudge a little harder, will ya? Oh wait, you can't, not if you're already using UAH.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Poor Westwall. I destroyed a main tenet of his religious faith, and he's not taking it well. That's why he's evading by screaming his debunked scripture louder, instead of debating.

Again, I point out that according your loony claims, astrophysics and meteorology aren't science. Since they clearly _are_ science, you're clearly wrong. That's not debatable.

No, cherrypicking and misusing bad definitions won't change that. Science doesn't have to be repeatable in a lab. It has to make predictions that are repeatably correct. That's the repeatability required by the scientific method. A lab is one way to do it, but it's not the only way.

So, how would you go about proving astrophysics repeatably in a lab? If you can't, doesn't that mean you define astrophysics as not being science? Why the double standards?

What is the specific definition of "natural cycle"? After all, to have a theory, you have to define it specifically. You refuse to do so.

And what is the null hypotheses that you tested your religious "it's a natural cycle" alternate theory against?

Nice word salad you posted while you completely ignored what he stated.

Why don't you learn from a highly respected Scientist:

The Scientific Method-Richard Feynman​

 

[mamooth]

Isotope ratios.

Fossil fuel CO2 has no C-14 and more C-12.

C-13 is also used. Plants prefer to eat C-12 over C-13, so plants are C-13 deficient. Fossil fuels come from plants, so fossil fuels are C-13 depleted, as well as C-14 absent. Burn enough fossil fuels, and the atmosphere ends up with a smaller fraction of both C-13 and C-14.

 

[Orangecat]

Don't know about that but your graph shows steady growth in CO2. Doesn't that worry you?

 

[mamooth]

Nice word salad you posted while you completely ignored what he stated.

No, I addressed it directly. You're just lying outright now, out of personal animosity. So, are you proud of how your butthurt has turned you into a pissy liar?

And do you agree with Westwall's lunatic standard that says astrophysics and meteorology aren't science, because they're not repeatable in a lab?

You can run now, just like he did. Make sure you fling out more insults to cover your tearful retreat.

 

[jc456]

"We predict the isotope ratios will show the increased CO2 is due to humans"

See? Prediction.


You're just trolling, so bye-bye.

That’s not a prediction, dummass

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

C-13 is also used. Plants prefer to eat C-12 over C-13, so plants are C-13 deficient. Fossil fuels come from plants, so fossil fuels are C-13 depleted, as well as C-14 absent. Burn enough fossil fuels, and the atmosphere ends up with a smaller fraction of both C-13 and C-14.

C-13 is also used. Plants prefer to eat C-12 over C-13,

Which is why I said fossil fuel has more C-12.

as well as C-14 absent.

I said fossil fuel CO2 has no C-14

 

[jc456]

C-13 is also used. Plants prefer to eat C-12 over C-13,

Which is why I said fossil fuel has more C-12.

as well as C-14 absent.

I said fossil fuel CO2 has no C-14

Man has been around for thousands of years! Plants can’t survive until 150 ppm. If fossil fuel only has C12, we burn it, that’s C12? then where’s the C14 come from? Our breathing? Hmm. None of that makes any sense if plants are thriving due to increased CO2?

 

[Sunsettommy]

This is one reason why it's so good to be on the rational side. Since we simply follow the evidence, wherever it leads, we don't have to spend our days pushing dopey conspiracy theories to explain why reality always contradicts us.


Like that.


Fudge a little harder, will ya? Oh wait, you can't, not if you're already using UAH.

Your post was dead on arrival since you didn't counter anything I posted.

Global monthly average lower troposphere temperature since 1979 according to University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH), USA. This graph uses data obtained by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) TIROS-N satellite, interpreted by Dr. Roy Spencer and Dr. John Christy, both at Global Hydrology and Climate Center, University of Alabama at Huntsville, USA. The thick line is the simple running 37 month average, nearly corresponding to a running 3 yr average. The cooling and warming periods directly influenced by the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo volcanic eruption and the 1998 El Niño, respectively, are clearly visible. Reference period 1991-2020. Last month shown: February 2023. Last diagram update: 9 March 2023.

LINK

bolding mine

"NOTE: Since the latest (2015) adjustment of the RSS dataseries, there is a noteworthy difference to the UAH dataseries (compare the two diagrams above). The main reason for the difference appears to be that RSS retain the warming of NOAA-14 relative to NOAA-15, which lifts the RSS series towards higher values. See details of this in Christie et al. 2018: Examination of space-based bulk atmospheric temperatures used in climate research."

RSS uses data from the NOAA too.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Where’s the evidence? That’s no evidence! You make me laugh

It is a LIE since the NOAA doesn't accept Dr. Sherwood contrived weather balloon data bullshit.

 

[Sunsettommy]

No, I addressed it directly. You're just lying outright now, out of personal animosity. So, are you proud of how your butthurt has turned you into a pissy liar?

And do you agree with Westwall's lunatic standard that says astrophysics and meteorology aren't science, because they're not repeatable in a lab?

You can run now, just like he did. Make sure you fling out more insults to cover your tearful retreat.

No counterpoint again, which diploma mill did you buy your $19.99 Physics degree?

You didn't make a case at all just another empty rant, I can imagine your voice sounds like a woman......

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Man has been around for thousands of years! Plants can’t survive until 150 ppm. If fossil fuel only has C12, we burn it, that’s C12? then where’s the C14 come from? Our breathing? Hmm. None of that makes any sense if plants are thriving due to increased CO2?

If fossil fuel only has C12, we burn it, that’s C12?

Not only, but more.
More C-12, less C-13.

then where’s the C14 come from?

Carbon-14, the isotope with 8 neutrons, is created in the atmosphere. Cosmic rays enter the atmosphere from space and create energetic neutrons. When one of these energetic neutrons collides with a nitrogen atom (7 protons and 7 neutrons), it forces out one of the protons, creating a Carbon-14 atom (6 protons and 8 neutrons).

C14 Dating Techniques – Coastal Systems Group

www2.whoi.edu

 

[westwall]

Isotope ratios.

Fossil fuel CO2 has no C-14 and more C-12.

Correct, but the residence time for most CO2 is measured in days, the longest is 5 years that has actual observational support. The claim for anything more is based on fantasy. So, their argument is ultimately futile.

 

[ChemEngineer]

It takes an order of magnitude more effort to refute bullshit than was required to produce it. - Brandolini's Law

"Climate experts believe the next ice age is on its way."
- Leonard Nimoy, 1978

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