Mass genocide, last 100 years, incl. Holocaust (on 6 million Jews)

[Micho]

You left out Stalin and Pol Pot.

I tried editing it, no success. You are right.

Russia's Communist, ex-student to be Catholic priest - turned atheist - Joseph Stalin killed at least 20,000,000.

Paul Pot, sometimes described as "the Hitler of Cambodia", killed between 1 and 3 million.

 

[Saigon]

You left out Stalin and Pol Pot.

I tried editing it, no success. You are right.

Russia's Communist, ex-student to be Catholic priest - turned atheist - Joseph Stalin killed at least 20,000,000.

Paul Pot, sometimes described as "the Hitler of Cambodia", killed between 1 and 3 million.

Why would anyone called Pol Pot the "Hitler of Cambodia"?

 

[Unkotare]

You left out Stalin and Pol Pot.

I tried editing it, no success. You are right.

Russia's Communist, ex-student to be Catholic priest - turned atheist - Joseph Stalin killed at least 20,000,000.

Paul Pot, sometimes described as "the Hitler of Cambodia", killed between 1 and 3 million.

Why would anyone called Pol Pot the "Hitler of Cambodia"?

Come back when you finish high school, idiot.

 

[Saigon]

Oh dear, Bauble - you have got it bad, haven't you?!

Let me explain:

Hitler was a right wing fascist.
Pol Pot was a left wing Communist or Nihilist, promoting a Year Zero return to Khmer roots.

Hitler desired an industralised, militarised future.
Pol Pot desired a rural, pre-industralised past.

Hitler wished to enslave lesser, other peoples.
Pol Pot wishes to enslave his own people.

Hitler promoted education and learning.
Pol Pot dismissed education and learning as being western contaminants.

Hitler was expansionist.
Pol Pot's focus was always internal, cutting Cambodia off from the rest of the world.

Thus, the two have remarkably little on common.

 

[Indofred]

The so called Holocaust needs to be down graded from 6 million to around 2 hundred thousand at the most.

Bollocks.

My Polish uncle was in a camp and I've met several Jewish survivors.
They'd have to be bloody good actors to fake those expressions.

No, I'm with 'around 6 million dead in Nazi camps' and won't accept any political bullshit that says otherwise.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians deliberately killed in WWII plus 3 million Russian POWs left to die)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908) 8,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 6,000,000 (the gulags plus the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000
Sukarno (Communists 1965-66) 500,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Suharto (Aceh, East Timor, New Guinea, 1975-98) 200,000
Ho Chi Min (Vietnam, 1953-56) 200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99) 100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?
Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (Vietnamese and Cambodian civilians)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic, 1930-61) 50,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Fidel Castro (Cuba, 1959-1999) 30,000
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000
Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez (El Salvador, 1932) 30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000
Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe, 1982-87, Ndebele minority) 20,000
Bashir Assad (Syria, 2012) 14,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83) 13,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)
Harold McMillans (Britain, 1952-56, Kenya's Mau-Mau rebellion) 10,000
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000
Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06) 2,000

Your list missed some obvious and needed people.

FDR; 418,500 Americans
JFK; 58,282 KIA 1,664 MIA 65-119 died in captivity Americans
Truman; 128,650 Americans
Wilson; 320,518 Americans


Can anyone tell me what all these men have in common?

 

[Two Thumbs]

You left out Stalin and Pol Pot.

I tried editing it, no success. You are right.

Russia's Communist, ex-student to be Catholic priest - turned atheist - Joseph Stalin killed at least 20,000,000.

Paul Pot, sometimes described as "the Hitler of Cambodia", killed between 1 and 3 million.

Why would anyone called Pol Pot the "Hitler of Cambodia"?

charismatic leaders with large body counts?

 

[Saigon]

I tried editing it, no success. You are right.

Russia's Communist, ex-student to be Catholic priest - turned atheist - Joseph Stalin killed at least 20,000,000.

Paul Pot, sometimes described as "the Hitler of Cambodia", killed between 1 and 3 million.

Why would anyone called Pol Pot the "Hitler of Cambodia"?

charismatic leaders with large body counts?

True enough with the body counts, but Pol Pot was more mysterious than charismatic - many Cambodians never saw as much as a picture of him while he was in power.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Why would anyone called Pol Pot the "Hitler of Cambodia"?

charismatic leaders with large body counts?

True enough with the body counts, but Pol Pot was more mysterious than charismatic - many Cambodians never saw as much as a picture of him while he was in power.

Try imagine the body count he had then

w/o

The mass appeal hitler had.

That's another level of leadership skills.

 

[editec]

Perhaps the question of genocide can be parced out to better describe the MOTIVE of the mass killing?

For example, assume that people start killing people of the same nationality, but of different ethnic values.

Ethnocide might be the better decriptive term.


But whatever we call these events, and whatever the motive behind those events, I think we can all agree that these events are MASS KILLINGS on an industrial scale.

 

[Unkotare]

Oh dear, Bauble - you have got it bad, haven't you?!

Let me explain:

Hitler was a right wing fascist.
Pol Pot was a left wing Communist or Nihilist, promoting a Year Zero return to Khmer roots.

Hitler desired an industralised, militarised future.
Pol Pot desired a rural, pre-industralised past.

Hitler wished to enslave lesser, other peoples.
Pol Pot wishes to enslave his own people.

Hitler promoted education and learning.
Pol Pot dismissed education and learning as being western contaminants.

Hitler was expansionist.
Pol Pot's focus was always internal, cutting Cambodia off from the rest of the world.

Thus, the two have remarkably little on common.

You suck at spin, Mr. Limpet, and it speaks to your character that you would even try to play at such games, considering the topic, just to protect your incredibly fragile little ego.

 

[Micho]

You left out Stalin and Pol Pot.

I tried editing it, no success. You are right.

Russia's Communist, ex-student to be Catholic priest - turned atheist - Joseph Stalin killed at least 20,000,000.

Paul Pot, sometimes described as "the Hitler of Cambodia", killed between 1 and 3 million.

Why would anyone called Pol Pot the "Hitler of Cambodia"?

Why would you ask that?

 

[Saigon]

Micho -

See #64.

Hitler and Pol Pot have very, very little in common, either in terms of ideology or practice.

 

[Unkotare]

It's funny to watch the Finnish Cliff Clavin stutter, stammer, and try to spin his way out of yet another stupid declaration.

 

[Micho]

The so called Holocaust needs to be down graded from 6 million to around 2 hundred thousand at the most.

Bollocks.

My Polish uncle was in a camp and I've met several Jewish survivors.
They'd have to be bloody good actors to fake those expressions.

No, I'm with 'around 6 million dead in Nazi camps' and won't accept any political bullshit that says otherwise.

There were at least 6 million Jews massacred. But don't try and convince Islamo nazis... Oh that's exactly why are they are so termed... Starting with that garbage al-Husseini, Hitler's buddy buddy.

 

[Saigon]

You suck at spin, Mr. Limpet, and it speaks to your character that you would even try to play at such games, considering the topic, just to protect your incredibly fragile little ego.

If anyone ever wanted to hear what a spanked child sounded like, here is a pretty good example.


Perhaps if you stopped stalking me around the board I might not be so tempted to humiliate you?

Stop stalking, address topics instead of posters and I imagine you might find posting a little more enjoyable. As it is you have this huge sign above your post that says "Kick Me".

 

[Unkotare]

Perhaps if you stopped stalking me around the board I might not be so tempted to humiliate you?

Perhaps if you weren't so busy humiliating yourself you might get around to it, Cliffy. Its fun to watch someone who wants so badly to be arrogant make a fool of himself.

 

[westwall]

Oh dear, Bauble - you have got it bad, haven't you?!

Let me explain:

Hitler was a right wing fascist.
Pol Pot was a left wing Communist or Nihilist, promoting a Year Zero return to Khmer roots.

Hitler desired an industralised, militarised future.
Pol Pot desired a rural, pre-industralised past.

Hitler wished to enslave lesser, other peoples.
Pol Pot wishes to enslave his own people.

Hitler promoted education and learning.
Pol Pot dismissed education and learning as being western contaminants.

Hitler was expansionist.
Pol Pot's focus was always internal, cutting Cambodia off from the rest of the world.

Thus, the two have remarkably little on common.

Both were collectivists (look it up), both murdered vast quantities of their own citizens, both felt that individual rights and responsibilities were cute but didn't apply to their countries.

You see dear boy, there are only two types of governmental system, collectivist and individualist. It matters not what they call themselves, the only thing that matters is how the individual is treated within the boundaries of that government.

 

[westwall]

It's funny to watch the Finnish Cliff Clavin stutter, stammer, and try to spin his way out of yet another stupid declaration.

Oh, he's not a Finn. They are far smarter than this clown. He's an American imposter at best.

 

[Saigon]

Westwall -

The fact that extreme right wing dictatorships and extreme left wing dictatorships are both dictatorships does not mean they are the same thing.