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Mask Pressure? Why it's Correct to Not Listen to Biden and the Fear Porn

LordBrownTrout

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Ok let's continue with that logic. Let's say if you are obese and refuse to stop eating processed/fast food and lower your BMI, and you end up with a serious medical condition like diabetes, cardiomyopathy, cardiac arrythmia, hypertension, emphysema, stroke, heart attack, you "get the lowest priority of care. You don’t get ICU. You don’t get Ventilators. You barely get seen in the ER. And you do not get admitted. You won’t even get transported by the Paramedics."

Or how about if you smoke and refuse to stop, and you get cancer (mouth/lung/etc), you "get the lowest priority of care. You don’t get ICU. You don’t get Ventilators. You barely get seen in the ER. And you do not get admitted. You won’t even get transported by the Paramedics."

Or how about if you engage in casual sex and don't use protection, and you get an STD (including but not limited to HIV/AIDS/Hep-C/Syphilis), you "get the lowest priority of care. You don’t get ICU. You don’t get Ventilators. You barely get seen in the ER. And you do not get admitted. You won’t even get transported by the Paramedics."

See how stupid and arbitrary your proposal sounds when you start considering that the vast majority of the healthcare costs in this country are the result of people engaging in behaviors with well-known and foreseeable health consequences. If we started denying healthcare to people because they didn't mitigate the risks of their respective illness, it would eliminate 90% of the healthcare industry. And keep in mind that in the above examples, the likelihood that those behaviors will result in the listed medical conditions is greater than the likelihood that a healthy person will require hospitalization from Covid-19.

Very well said.
 

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Ok let's continue with that logic. Let's say if you are obese and refuse to stop eating processed/fast food and lower your BMI, and you end up with a serious medical condition like diabetes, cardiomyopathy, cardiac arrythmia, hypertension, emphysema, stroke, heart attack, you "get the lowest priority of care. You don’t get ICU. You don’t get Ventilators. You barely get seen in the ER. And you do not get admitted. You won’t even get transported by the Paramedics."

Or how about if you smoke and refuse to stop, and you get cancer (mouth/lung/etc), you "get the lowest priority of care. You don’t get ICU. You don’t get Ventilators. You barely get seen in the ER. And you do not get admitted. You won’t even get transported by the Paramedics."

Or how about if you engage in casual sex and don't use protection, and you get an STD (including but not limited to HIV/AIDS/Hep-C/Syphilis), you "get the lowest priority of care. You don’t get ICU. You don’t get Ventilators. You barely get seen in the ER. And you do not get admitted. You won’t even get transported by the Paramedics."

See how stupid and arbitrary your proposal sounds when you start considering that the vast majority of the healthcare costs in this country are the result of people engaging in behaviors with well-known and foreseeable health consequences. If we started denying healthcare to people because they didn't mitigate the risks of their respective illness, it would eliminate 90% of the healthcare industry. And keep in mind that in the above examples, the likelihood that those behaviors will result in the listed medical conditions is greater than the likelihood that a healthy person will require hospitalization from Covid-19.
This has been pointed out over and over again.

I have no idea why they obvious is not setting in.
 

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I like comprise. Let’s work one out.

If you don’t vaccinate or wear a mask and you get sick, you and your family get the lowest priority of care. You don’t get ICU. You don’t get Ventilators. You barely get seen in the ER. And you do not get admitted. You won’t even get transported by the Paramedics.

We will respect your choice. But we will not waste medical resources on you. Fair enough?
Fine by me. Just give me a Zpak, a zinc supplement, and hydroxychloroquine.
 

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So here we go again. Democrats and Leftists freaking out over some slight increases in cases. However, there's plenty of things they aren't addressing in all of this.

1. Different people are betting infected in this wave.
It's the young, healthy, unvaccinated who are getting COVID. And that's fine. The data says their survival is VERY high, statistically almost certain. That's why you're seeing spikes in cases but not in deaths. In previous waves, it was the old and fragile who were dying. They've all been mostly vaccinated. So, the case/death ratio is WAY down, and we WANT the unvaccinated young to get the disease in order to build immunity. High cases with low death are signs of a healthy reaction, not a freak out CRISIS as the left is performing in political theatre. Notice, the media is not differentiating between who is primarily being affected here between different waves of the virus. They're erroneously comparing cases of different populations that have been affected by different waves. Misinformation anyone? Meanwhile, no disease on earth is judged by amount of cases. It's deaths, and since they are low, the media will not address this ironclad statistical data. They will make COVID the one disease that is defined by cases, not death.

2. Why are we worrying about Kids?
Kids are pretty much not affected in a general statistical sense. The data clearly dictates that any suggestion of under 18yo masking should result in you looking at the person like they're insane. You're more likely to get struck by lightning than die from COVID under the age of 18. Yet, we have mainstream leftist politicians demanding we mask up our youth. These people should possibly be put through mental testing, or at the very least laughed at, and certainly not listened to.

3. Democrats enjoy bullying
Leftists are in all-out anti-Conservative, bully mode. They aren't addressing the reasons why some aren't getting vaccinated. For example: Bob is 21 years old. He's almost certainly not in any risk of COVID. He's concerned about a brand new vaccine that hasn't passed through proper testing being put into his body. He trusts his immune system, and he sees the data that says he's not going to die from COVID. So, Bob doesn't get the vaccine. Those are sensible reasons to not get the vaccine. What are Biden, Leftists, and the Media doing? BOB MUST BE LOOKING AT STUPID MEMES FROM ALT RIGHT SOURCES ON FACEBOOK, HE'S JUST A DUMB TRUMP VOTER. Gosh, that's so much how you get people to do things in life. Fear Porn Leftists (Biden, Fauci, Media, etc.).. You aren't listening to people in why they're not getting the vaccine, you're making up a boogeyman and insulting the very populace you said you desired to unify with. This clearly isn't about "saving" Bob (even though he doesn't need saved), this is about clubbing Conservatives by branding them as something horrible and blaming them. That's it.

4. Here's the difference between the two sides

Example: 40yo Jerry with 2 health conditions

Democrats: Jerry is in danger, and he's too stupid to realize it. He's probably a right wing conspiracy nut job who voted for Trump, and because of Jerry's stupidity we're going to try to shut down people's ability to speak on major platforms, and then impose massive pressure and outright mandates to force the population to mask everyone everywhere to "save" Dumb f*ck Jerry. Oh, and everyone like Jerry is dumb as f*ck too. But, we're uniters! Remember that!

Republicans: It's on Jerry. Jerry has to weigh his options and make a choice. Jerry has the vaccine available, but if he choses not to get it, he knows the risks. To ask all of us to mask our 4 year olds to save Jerry is a very bizarre request. Jerry is no threat to the youth, and all of those who are vaccinated are well defended against anything Jerry can do to them as well. Hey government, get the F out of our lives and stop trying to punish us because you want to "save" people who are making choices that don't effect other people. You're not the heroes you're claiming as you stroke yourselves, you're government bullies who are overstepping your bounds in the name of safety. Many have done it before you, and many will do it after you, but it's gov't overreach, and you're just seeking to use a crisis to pass more of your wasteful, inefficient, big-gov't agenda, not to mention just merely virtue signal. Wearing a mask is the theatrical "Seig Heil" of unity of your crew. F off.

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Not gonna happen chief. Most everyone I've ever met who could be described as "anti-vax" is also anti-medicine. Self included. Last place you'll ever find me is a hospital. But thanks for giving a shit about humanity, chief.

Besides, we've all got out ivermectin, HCQ and zinc.

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