Marriage Equality Does Not Exist In Any State

Is there true marriage equality across the 50 states?

  • No, the OP is right. It's illegal via the 14th to play favorites. Something's wrong here.

  • Yes, "marriage equality" just means gay marriage. Gay is a "special class in its own".


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"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.

Thread 45 on your object of hopeless obsession.

Sigh......Obergefell doesn't find that 'any life style arrangement' is marriage. That's you citing whatever voices you hear. And we can't.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.
There is nothing to discuss - you're wrong again, as usual.

Your thread premise fails as a false comparison fallacy, you're completely ignorant of the law and 14th Amendment.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.
There is nothing to discuss - you're wrong again, as usual.

Your thread premise fails as a false comparison fallacy, you're completely ignorant of the law and 14th Amendment.

Yeah, but your unfairly citing the actual law and the actual 14th amendment. That's completely unreasonable.

You need to be citing Sil's imaginary version of both. Then her arguments make perfect sense.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.

On a related note: Italians not keen on legalizing gay unions. They had an enormous rally in Rome a week ago that was against gay unions, but the press more or less chose not to cover it.

Oh, the gay union proposal will still likely pass according to various sources, but the “righteous” (imo) opposition is fervent in their beliefs as well. I really like how one of the organizers put it so succinctly. Funny, but poignant.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”


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Thousands protest Italy plan to permit same-sex unions

By Associated Press January 30, 2016

ROME — Tens of thousands of people opposed to gay rights rallied Saturday in Rome’s Circus Maximus against legislation that would permit civil unions for same-sex couples and grant them legal recognition as families. (EDIT: Tens of thousands? The estimates are 300,000 minimum to well over one million.)

Massimo Gandolfini, organizer of Saturday’s “Family Day” protest, told the crowd that the legislation now in the Senate needs to be defeated.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”

The coalition government of Premier Matteo Renzi is pushing for the legislation granting civil unions, including the right of inheritance, to receive the pension of a deceased partner, or to make medical decisions about a partner in hospital. But the provision to permit homosexuals to adopt the biological children of their partner is the most hotly contested, even within the coalition.

Cabinet ministers expressed dissent during the rally.

Interior Minister Angelino Alfano sent his support to the protesters via a Twitter message. Environment Minister Gian Luca Galletti attended the protest, saying he supported the civil unions but not the so-called “step-child adoption” clause…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/thousands-protest-italy-plan-to-permit-gay-unions-adoptions/2016/01/30/78f97864-c75c-11e5-b933-31c93021392a_story.html
 
Nope. I just checked the Obergefel...it decision doesn't mention anything about polygamy and gay marriage is legal in all 50 states.
 
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"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.

On a related note: Italians not keen on legalizing gay unions. They had an enormous rally in Rome a week ago that was against gay unions, but the press more or less chose not to cover it.

Oh, the gay union proposal will still likely pass according to various sources, but the “righteous” (imo) opposition is fervent in their beliefs as well. I really like how one of the organizers put it so succinctly. Funny, but poignant.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”


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Thousands protest Italy plan to permit same-sex unions

By Associated Press January 30, 2016

ROME — Tens of thousands of people opposed to gay rights rallied Saturday in Rome’s Circus Maximus against legislation that would permit civil unions for same-sex couples and grant them legal recognition as families. (EDIT: Tens of thousands? The estimates are 300,000 minimum to well over one million.)

Massimo Gandolfini, organizer of Saturday’s “Family Day” protest, told the crowd that the legislation now in the Senate needs to be defeated.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”

The coalition government of Premier Matteo Renzi is pushing for the legislation granting civil unions, including the right of inheritance, to receive the pension of a deceased partner, or to make medical decisions about a partner in hospital. But the provision to permit homosexuals to adopt the biological children of their partner is the most hotly contested, even within the coalition.

Cabinet ministers expressed dissent during the rally.

Interior Minister Angelino Alfano sent his support to the protesters via a Twitter message. Environment Minister Gian Luca Galletti attended the protest, saying he supported the civil unions but not the so-called “step-child adoption” clause…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/thousands-protest-italy-plan-to-permit-gay-unions-adoptions/2016/01/30/78f97864-c75c-11e5-b933-31c93021392a_story.html

Marriages aren't lead that someone is transmuting into gold. I call 'Rumpelstiltskin' on that argument.
 
Of course there is equality. Any man can marry the woman of his choice; Any woman can marry the man of her choice. That other stuff is known as "perversion".
 
Of course there is equality. Any man can marry the woman of his choice; Any woman can marry the man of her choice. That other stuff is known as "perversion".

And a woman can marry a woman. Or a man can marry a man.

In 50 of 50 States.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.

On a related note: Italians not keen on legalizing gay unions. They had an enormous rally in Rome a week ago that was against gay unions, but the press more or less chose not to cover it.

Oh, the gay union proposal will still likely pass according to various sources, but the “righteous” (imo) opposition is fervent in their beliefs as well. I really like how one of the organizers put it so succinctly. Funny, but poignant.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Thousands protest Italy plan to permit same-sex unions

By Associated Press January 30, 2016

ROME — Tens of thousands of people opposed to gay rights rallied Saturday in Rome’s Circus Maximus against legislation that would permit civil unions for same-sex couples and grant them legal recognition as families. (EDIT: Tens of thousands? The estimates are 300,000 minimum to well over one million.)

Massimo Gandolfini, organizer of Saturday’s “Family Day” protest, told the crowd that the legislation now in the Senate needs to be defeated.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”

The coalition government of Premier Matteo Renzi is pushing for the legislation granting civil unions, including the right of inheritance, to receive the pension of a deceased partner, or to make medical decisions about a partner in hospital. But the provision to permit homosexuals to adopt the biological children of their partner is the most hotly contested, even within the coalition.

Cabinet ministers expressed dissent during the rally.

Interior Minister Angelino Alfano sent his support to the protesters via a Twitter message. Environment Minister Gian Luca Galletti attended the protest, saying he supported the civil unions but not the so-called “step-child adoption” clause…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/thousands-protest-italy-plan-to-permit-gay-unions-adoptions/2016/01/30/78f97864-c75c-11e5-b933-31c93021392a_story.html

Marriages aren't lead that someone is transmuting into gold. I call 'Rumpelstiltskin' on that argument.

That quote was intended for those who have a greater ability to comprehend the use of various terms.

His quote was brilliant, and spot on.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.

On a related note: Italians not keen on legalizing gay unions. They had an enormous rally in Rome a week ago that was against gay unions, but the press more or less chose not to cover it.

Oh, the gay union proposal will still likely pass according to various sources, but the “righteous” (imo) opposition is fervent in their beliefs as well. I really like how one of the organizers put it so succinctly. Funny, but poignant.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Thousands protest Italy plan to permit same-sex unions

By Associated Press January 30, 2016

ROME — Tens of thousands of people opposed to gay rights rallied Saturday in Rome’s Circus Maximus against legislation that would permit civil unions for same-sex couples and grant them legal recognition as families. (EDIT: Tens of thousands? The estimates are 300,000 minimum to well over one million.)

Massimo Gandolfini, organizer of Saturday’s “Family Day” protest, told the crowd that the legislation now in the Senate needs to be defeated.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”

The coalition government of Premier Matteo Renzi is pushing for the legislation granting civil unions, including the right of inheritance, to receive the pension of a deceased partner, or to make medical decisions about a partner in hospital. But the provision to permit homosexuals to adopt the biological children of their partner is the most hotly contested, even within the coalition.

Cabinet ministers expressed dissent during the rally.

Interior Minister Angelino Alfano sent his support to the protesters via a Twitter message. Environment Minister Gian Luca Galletti attended the protest, saying he supported the civil unions but not the so-called “step-child adoption” clause…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/thousands-protest-italy-plan-to-permit-gay-unions-adoptions/2016/01/30/78f97864-c75c-11e5-b933-31c93021392a_story.html

Marriages aren't lead that someone is transmuting into gold. I call 'Rumpelstiltskin' on that argument.

That quote was intended for those who have a greater ability to comprehend the use of various terms.

His quote was brilliant, and spot on.

His quote was inaccurate. And his perspective, gradually winding down.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.

On a related note: Italians not keen on legalizing gay unions. They had an enormous rally in Rome a week ago that was against gay unions, but the press more or less chose not to cover it.

Oh, the gay union proposal will still likely pass according to various sources, but the “righteous” (imo) opposition is fervent in their beliefs as well. I really like how one of the organizers put it so succinctly. Funny, but poignant.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Thousands protest Italy plan to permit same-sex unions

By Associated Press January 30, 2016

ROME — Tens of thousands of people opposed to gay rights rallied Saturday in Rome’s Circus Maximus against legislation that would permit civil unions for same-sex couples and grant them legal recognition as families. (EDIT: Tens of thousands? The estimates are 300,000 minimum to well over one million.)

Massimo Gandolfini, organizer of Saturday’s “Family Day” protest, told the crowd that the legislation now in the Senate needs to be defeated.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”

The coalition government of Premier Matteo Renzi is pushing for the legislation granting civil unions, including the right of inheritance, to receive the pension of a deceased partner, or to make medical decisions about a partner in hospital. But the provision to permit homosexuals to adopt the biological children of their partner is the most hotly contested, even within the coalition.

Cabinet ministers expressed dissent during the rally.

Interior Minister Angelino Alfano sent his support to the protesters via a Twitter message. Environment Minister Gian Luca Galletti attended the protest, saying he supported the civil unions but not the so-called “step-child adoption” clause…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/thousands-protest-italy-plan-to-permit-gay-unions-adoptions/2016/01/30/78f97864-c75c-11e5-b933-31c93021392a_story.html

Marriages aren't lead that someone is transmuting into gold. I call 'Rumpelstiltskin' on that argument.

That quote was intended for those who have a greater ability to comprehend the use of various terms.

His quote was brilliant, and spot on.

His quote was inaccurate. And his perspective, gradually winding down.

I was intending this report for those who are followers of the Judeo-Christian G-d, only.

So not to worry, you and I have opposite opinions on life. Not your fault.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.

On a related note: Italians not keen on legalizing gay unions. They had an enormous rally in Rome a week ago that was against gay unions, but the press more or less chose not to cover it.

Oh, the gay union proposal will still likely pass according to various sources, but the “righteous” (imo) opposition is fervent in their beliefs as well. I really like how one of the organizers put it so succinctly. Funny, but poignant.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Thousands protest Italy plan to permit same-sex unions

By Associated Press January 30, 2016

ROME — Tens of thousands of people opposed to gay rights rallied Saturday in Rome’s Circus Maximus against legislation that would permit civil unions for same-sex couples and grant them legal recognition as families. (EDIT: Tens of thousands? The estimates are 300,000 minimum to well over one million.)

Massimo Gandolfini, organizer of Saturday’s “Family Day” protest, told the crowd that the legislation now in the Senate needs to be defeated.

“A man and a woman form a marriage,” Gandolfini said. “The others are alchemy.”

The coalition government of Premier Matteo Renzi is pushing for the legislation granting civil unions, including the right of inheritance, to receive the pension of a deceased partner, or to make medical decisions about a partner in hospital. But the provision to permit homosexuals to adopt the biological children of their partner is the most hotly contested, even within the coalition.

Cabinet ministers expressed dissent during the rally.

Interior Minister Angelino Alfano sent his support to the protesters via a Twitter message. Environment Minister Gian Luca Galletti attended the protest, saying he supported the civil unions but not the so-called “step-child adoption” clause…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/thousands-protest-italy-plan-to-permit-gay-unions-adoptions/2016/01/30/78f97864-c75c-11e5-b933-31c93021392a_story.html

Marriages aren't lead that someone is transmuting into gold. I call 'Rumpelstiltskin' on that argument.

That quote was intended for those who have a greater ability to comprehend the use of various terms.

His quote was brilliant, and spot on.

His quote was inaccurate. And his perspective, gradually winding down.

I was intending this report for those who are followers of the Judeo-Christian G-d, only.

The followers of the Judeo-Chrsitian God use references to Alchemy?

Rumpelstiltskin, I tell you!
 
Same sex marriage is the law of the land

The sun still rises, people are not marrying sheep and the OP is still pissed
 
Same sex marriage is the law of the land

The sun still rises, people are not marrying sheep and the OP is still pissed

Yes, but polygamists aren't able to legally marry: which is now a violation of the new addition to the 14th Amendment created by SCOTUS last June.. (The Legislature only can make substantive changes to the Constitution) The 14th is about marriage equality, not "marriage select favorites" among consenting adults..not sheep...asshole..
 
Same sex marriage is the law of the land

The sun still rises, people are not marrying sheep and the OP is still pissed

Yes, but polygamists aren't able to legally marry: which is now a violation of the new addition to the 14th Amendment created by SCOTUS last June.. The 14th is about marriage equality, not "marriage select favorites" among consenting adults..not sheep...asshole..
Polygamy/bigamy is illegal. Homosexuality is not.
Get polygamy legalized and you have a complaint

How are homosexuals now favorites?
 
Same sex marriage is the law of the land

The sun still rises, people are not marrying sheep and the OP is still pissed

Yes, but polygamists aren't able to legally marry: which is now a violation of the new addition to the 14th Amendment created by SCOTUS last June..

Its a violation of the 14th amendment.....according to who?

Let me guess, per the basis of your every pseudo-legal argument: yourself.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.
Theproblem in your position is your definition of marriage equality as "marrying whoever you wish". (Sheep, children, relatives and multiple spouses)

Marriage equality actually means marrying an adult of either gender.
 
"Marriage Equality" defined: the ability of adults to marry whom they wish.

Polygamists and incest adults cannot be married to the ones they want to be and consent to be with. Ergo, there is no marriage equality in any state.

What there is, is a quasi-legal status of JUST gay marriage where the Court's Five decided that JUST this majority-repugnant sexual lifestyle gets special class protections. Using the 14th Amendment, ironically. The 14th Amendment says "no discrimination". So, either gay marriage in Obergefell was not and cannot be legal using the 14th rationale, or ALL adults may marry whomever they want of any lifestyle arrangement.

The arguments cast out for consumption by the LGBT blogger machine is "polygamists etc. can fight for their own rights to marry. Gay is a separate issue".

My rebuttal: According to the 14th there can be no adults left out of lifestyle rights (even when repugnant) when it comes to equality.

Discuss.

Same sex marriage is not getting repealed.... EVER... but if you want to keep wasting your life way obsessing over something hopeless, by all means, knock yourself out. It's your life.
 

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