man allegedly planning-to-blow-up-missouri-hospital-killed-in-shootout-by the fbi

[MacTheKnife]

this case smacks of so many others wherein the fbi entraps some ole boy of not much intelligence into doing something that he otherwise could not have done on his own or would not have done on his own ---in order to get the praise and admiration of his fbi friend.

this sort of behavior by the fbi is one of the few things they are very good at...setting up some gullible, lonely ole boy who is in need of a friend. The kind of simple minded ole local boy that drinks too much at the local gathering spot and runs off at the mouth ---attracting someone's attention.

the way the fbi does it-- is to send in a personable and likeable agent who has a talent of persuasion.

He befriends his victim and over a period of time using standard psychological tools is able to dominate and control his victim....then he talks him into agreeing to get involved with some horrible crime. the fbi then sets up a scenario of helping the victim get the explosives or whatever and then swoops in whilst the local boy is in possession of such evidence indicating his intention to committ the crime.

They have a long history of doing that.

Man planning to blow up Missouri hospital killed in shootout: FBI

The incident unfolded Tuesday when the FBI moved to arrest 36-year-old Timothy Wilson in Belton, Mo. “at the conclusion of a long-running domestic terrorism investigation,” the federal agency said.…

nypost.com

 

[skye]

It's always good when Patriots avert False Flags!

 

[Kilroy2]

yet we have a court system that determines guilt, so being arrested is what they do as well as the police. But if people being arrested decided to shoot it out then they are probably insane. He decided it was best to shoot it out because he had a gun instead of getting a lawyer to defend his name.

So we don't know if he was guilty but if had blow up the hospital then people would complain that the FBI was incompetent. So damned if you do , damned if you don't. It your law enforcement you arrest people. If the decide to fire a gun at law enforcement then that is a crime.

 

[skye]

You see.....not all inside the FBI are scum,Deep State scum , like Comey.... Thanks GOD

So many Patriots there ...thank you all!

 

[MacTheKnife]

yet we have a court system that determines guilt, so being arrested is what they do as well as the police. But if people being arrested decided to shoot it out then they are probably insane. He decided it was best to shoot it out because he had a gun instead of getting a lawyer to defend his name.

So we don't know if he was guilty but if had blow up the hospital then people would complain that the FBI was incompetent. So damned if you do , damned if you don't. It your law enforcement you arrest people. If the decide to fire a gun at law enforcement then that is a crime.

Well, you should observe that the circumstances of how he got shot was very murky. All that is known for sure...is that he had a weapon.....whether he pulled it out and attempted to shoot it is not known.

Anyhow without knowing all the facts one cannot make a good call on this case....hopefully the jury will sort it all out and not railroad a innocent man if he is in fact innocent.

All I am really saying is that the FBI has a long history of engaging in entrapment and trying to be heroes.

 

[Missourian]

I think even if what you say is true...if you can be convinced to blow up a hospital during a national pandemic...I really don't mind if the FBI makes sure you're not around anymore.

 

[skye]

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All I am really saying is that the FBI has a long history of engaging in entrapment and trying to be heroes.

Sure....after 8 years of Hussein The Barack...the FBI became rotten to the core....

Thanks GOD everyday....every single day of our lives for President Trump...here and all over the world

Still many rotten apples inside the FBI.....the Swamp is being drained....have no doubt of that....

Patriots are taking over now....cleaning the FBI swamp....Bless them all ....all of them ... every single one of them ... they are true Patriots!

 

[MacTheKnife]

I think even if what you say is true...if you can be convinced to blow up a hospital during a national pandemic...I really don't mind if the FBI makes sure you're not around anymore.

Well I am sure the ole boy will not be missed by anyone but in reality he very likely was a victim....right next to 'brainwashed' or 'hypnotized' into allowing himself to be a pawn of the FBI....most likely the real perp in this case.

This fbi tactic would make great material for a expose type movie.

Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned

Critics say bureau is running a sting operation across America, targeting vulnerable people by luring them into fake terror plots

www.theguardian.com

How the FBI Created a Terrorist

In 2012, Sami Osmakac was 25 years old, broke and struggling with mental illness. His family wanted to get him help. The FBI wanted him to plot a terrorist attack.

theintercept.com

Why Does the FBI Have to Manufacture its Own Plots if Terrorism and ISIS Are Such Grave Threats?

This tactic is akin to having the DEA constantly warn of the severe threat posed by drug addiction while it simultaneously uses pushers on its payroll to deliberately get people hooked on drugs so that they can arrest the addicts they've created and thus justify their own warnings and budgets.

theintercept.com

 

[Street Juice]

yet we have a court system that determines guilt, so being arrested is what they do as well as the police. But if people being arrested decided to shoot it out then they are probably insane. He decided it was best to shoot it out because he had a gun instead of getting a lawyer to defend his name.

So we don't know if he was guilty but if had blow up the hospital then people would complain that the FBI was incompetent. So damned if you do , damned if you don't. It your law enforcement you arrest people. If the decide to fire a gun at law enforcement then that is a crime.

Juries are the triers of facts. The FBI can't just decide someone is a domestic terrorist and then go out and execute them. This isn't Brazil. Yet.

 

[Street Juice]

I think even if what you say is true...if you can be convinced to blow up a hospital during a national pandemic...I really don't mind if the FBI makes sure you're not around anymore.

How do you know he had been convinced to blow up a hospital? The TV said so? James Comey's FBI said so? Perhaps he had been running a reverse sting on the FBI and had uncovered corruption. Maybe he was a whistle blower and so they killed him. He's dead (en route to the hospital) so he never had his day in court.

On local news, a neighbor said the police weren't letting anyone get close enough to see what was happening.

They also noted Mr Wilson was guilty of crime think. He had racist views. Are you ok with the FBI making sure racists aren't around anymore, too?

 

[LuckyDuck]

this case smacks of so many others wherein the fbi entraps some ole boy of not much intelligence into doing something that he otherwise could not have done on his own or would not have done on his own ---in order to get the praise and admiration of his fbi friend.

this sort of behavior by the fbi is one of the few things they are very good at...setting up some gullible, lonely ole boy who is in need of a friend. The kind of simple minded ole local boy that drinks too much at the local gathering spot and runs off at the mouth ---attracting someone's attention.

the way the fbi does it-- is to send in a personable and likeable agent who has a talent of persuasion.

He befriends his victim and over a period of time using standard psychological tools is able to dominate and control his victim....then he talks him into agreeing to get involved with some horrible crime. the fbi then sets up a scenario of helping the victim get the explosives or whatever and then swoops in whilst the local boy is in possession of such evidence indicating his intention to committ the crime.

They have a long history of doing that.

Man planning to blow up Missouri hospital killed in shootout: FBI

The incident unfolded Tuesday when the FBI moved to arrest 36-year-old Timothy Wilson in Belton, Mo. “at the conclusion of a long-running domestic terrorism investigation,” the federal agency said.…

nypost.com

Despite your assertions, the guy would have most likely killed someone due to his religious fervor and anti-government stance.

 

[MacTheKnife]

this case smacks of so many others wherein the fbi entraps some ole boy of not much intelligence into doing something that he otherwise could not have done on his own or would not have done on his own ---in order to get the praise and admiration of his fbi friend.

this sort of behavior by the fbi is one of the few things they are very good at...setting up some gullible, lonely ole boy who is in need of a friend. The kind of simple minded ole local boy that drinks too much at the local gathering spot and runs off at the mouth ---attracting someone's attention.

the way the fbi does it-- is to send in a personable and likeable agent who has a talent of persuasion.

He befriends his victim and over a period of time using standard psychological tools is able to dominate and control his victim....then he talks him into agreeing to get involved with some horrible crime. the fbi then sets up a scenario of helping the victim get the explosives or whatever and then swoops in whilst the local boy is in possession of such evidence indicating his intention to committ the crime.

They have a long history of doing that.

Man planning to blow up Missouri hospital killed in shootout: FBI

The incident unfolded Tuesday when the FBI moved to arrest 36-year-old Timothy Wilson in Belton, Mo. “at the conclusion of a long-running domestic terrorism investigation,” the federal agency said.…

nypost.com

Despite your assertions, the guy would have most likely killed someone due to his religious fervor and anti-government stance.

Lots of people are very,very religious and never harm anyone.......also....as far as I know we only have the fbi's assertion that he was religious and anti-government.....also many folks are against our government and never harm anyone....so all you have is conjecture.

 

[Street Juice]

this case smacks of so many others wherein the fbi entraps some ole boy of not much intelligence into doing something that he otherwise could not have done on his own or would not have done on his own ---in order to get the praise and admiration of his fbi friend.

this sort of behavior by the fbi is one of the few things they are very good at...setting up some gullible, lonely ole boy who is in need of a friend. The kind of simple minded ole local boy that drinks too much at the local gathering spot and runs off at the mouth ---attracting someone's attention.

the way the fbi does it-- is to send in a personable and likeable agent who has a talent of persuasion.

He befriends his victim and over a period of time using standard psychological tools is able to dominate and control his victim....then he talks him into agreeing to get involved with some horrible crime. the fbi then sets up a scenario of helping the victim get the explosives or whatever and then swoops in whilst the local boy is in possession of such evidence indicating his intention to committ the crime.

They have a long history of doing that.

Man planning to blow up Missouri hospital killed in shootout: FBI

The incident unfolded Tuesday when the FBI moved to arrest 36-year-old Timothy Wilson in Belton, Mo. “at the conclusion of a long-running domestic terrorism investigation,” the federal agency said.…

nypost.com

Despite your assertions, the guy would have most likely killed someone due to his religious fervor and anti-government stance.

Or maybe his anti-government stance was a result of his belief the government would most likely kill him.

I have a relative with religious fervor. I do not believe he is going to kill anyone, and I certainly don't think you or the FBI has the right to decide he will "most likely" kill someone and then execute him behind some storage units.

 

[LuckyDuck]

this case smacks of so many others wherein the fbi entraps some ole boy of not much intelligence into doing something that he otherwise could not have done on his own or would not have done on his own ---in order to get the praise and admiration of his fbi friend.

this sort of behavior by the fbi is one of the few things they are very good at...setting up some gullible, lonely ole boy who is in need of a friend. The kind of simple minded ole local boy that drinks too much at the local gathering spot and runs off at the mouth ---attracting someone's attention.

the way the fbi does it-- is to send in a personable and likeable agent who has a talent of persuasion.

He befriends his victim and over a period of time using standard psychological tools is able to dominate and control his victim....then he talks him into agreeing to get involved with some horrible crime. the fbi then sets up a scenario of helping the victim get the explosives or whatever and then swoops in whilst the local boy is in possession of such evidence indicating his intention to committ the crime.

They have a long history of doing that.

Man planning to blow up Missouri hospital killed in shootout: FBI

The incident unfolded Tuesday when the FBI moved to arrest 36-year-old Timothy Wilson in Belton, Mo. “at the conclusion of a long-running domestic terrorism investigation,” the federal agency said.…

nypost.com

Despite your assertions, the guy would have most likely killed someone due to his religious fervor and anti-government stance.

Lots of people are very,very religious and never harm anyone.......also....as far as I know we only have the fbi's assertion that he was religious and anti-government.....also many folks are against our government and never harm anyone....so all you have is conjecture.

As do you.

 

[MacTheKnife]

this case smacks of so many others wherein the fbi entraps some ole boy of not much intelligence into doing something that he otherwise could not have done on his own or would not have done on his own ---in order to get the praise and admiration of his fbi friend.

this sort of behavior by the fbi is one of the few things they are very good at...setting up some gullible, lonely ole boy who is in need of a friend. The kind of simple minded ole local boy that drinks too much at the local gathering spot and runs off at the mouth ---attracting someone's attention.

the way the fbi does it-- is to send in a personable and likeable agent who has a talent of persuasion.

He befriends his victim and over a period of time using standard psychological tools is able to dominate and control his victim....then he talks him into agreeing to get involved with some horrible crime. the fbi then sets up a scenario of helping the victim get the explosives or whatever and then swoops in whilst the local boy is in possession of such evidence indicating his intention to committ the crime.

They have a long history of doing that.

Man planning to blow up Missouri hospital killed in shootout: FBI

The incident unfolded Tuesday when the FBI moved to arrest 36-year-old Timothy Wilson in Belton, Mo. “at the conclusion of a long-running domestic terrorism investigation,” the federal agency said.…

nypost.com

Despite your assertions, the guy would have most likely killed someone due to his religious fervor and anti-government stance.

Lots of people are very,very religious and never harm anyone.......also....as far as I know we only have the fbi's assertion that he was religious and anti-government.....also many folks are against our government and never harm anyone....so all you have is conjecture.

As do you.

about this particular case.......yes.............but I do have more.....the history of the FBI engaging in entrapment and worse.

 

[LuckyDuck]

this case smacks of so many others wherein the fbi entraps some ole boy of not much intelligence into doing something that he otherwise could not have done on his own or would not have done on his own ---in order to get the praise and admiration of his fbi friend.

this sort of behavior by the fbi is one of the few things they are very good at...setting up some gullible, lonely ole boy who is in need of a friend. The kind of simple minded ole local boy that drinks too much at the local gathering spot and runs off at the mouth ---attracting someone's attention.

the way the fbi does it-- is to send in a personable and likeable agent who has a talent of persuasion.

He befriends his victim and over a period of time using standard psychological tools is able to dominate and control his victim....then he talks him into agreeing to get involved with some horrible crime. the fbi then sets up a scenario of helping the victim get the explosives or whatever and then swoops in whilst the local boy is in possession of such evidence indicating his intention to committ the crime.

They have a long history of doing that.

Man planning to blow up Missouri hospital killed in shootout: FBI

The incident unfolded Tuesday when the FBI moved to arrest 36-year-old Timothy Wilson in Belton, Mo. “at the conclusion of a long-running domestic terrorism investigation,” the federal agency said.…

nypost.com

Despite your assertions, the guy would have most likely killed someone due to his religious fervor and anti-government stance.

Lots of people are very,very religious and never harm anyone.......also....as far as I know we only have the fbi's assertion that he was religious and anti-government.....also many folks are against our government and never harm anyone....so all you have is conjecture.

As do you.

about this particular case.......yes.............but I do have more.....the history of the FBI engaging in entrapment and worse.

Let's enlighten you about something. The FBI doesn't send out agents in cars to select people on the street at random to "entrap" them into committing crimes. They get word about individuals or groups that are vehemently anti-government and calling for action against it. No government would ignore this and all governments would send out agents to investigate whether such an individual or group might actually be dangerous and if determined to be "potentially" dangerous if he/she or a group were considered such, then they need to be arrested and incarcerated to reduce any dangerous action such individuals might actually pursue, given the chance. All nations governments would do the same and in many of the nations, such individuals would be hung, shot, or beheaded. To just ignore them as kooks, and then have lives lost due to inaction, would be not only the fault of the government, but also the fault of those who pushed the government to ignore the kooks.
Those like yourself.

 

[MacTheKnife]

this case smacks of so many others wherein the fbi entraps some ole boy of not much intelligence into doing something that he otherwise could not have done on his own or would not have done on his own ---in order to get the praise and admiration of his fbi friend.

this sort of behavior by the fbi is one of the few things they are very good at...setting up some gullible, lonely ole boy who is in need of a friend. The kind of simple minded ole local boy that drinks too much at the local gathering spot and runs off at the mouth ---attracting someone's attention.

the way the fbi does it-- is to send in a personable and likeable agent who has a talent of persuasion.

He befriends his victim and over a period of time using standard psychological tools is able to dominate and control his victim....then he talks him into agreeing to get involved with some horrible crime. the fbi then sets up a scenario of helping the victim get the explosives or whatever and then swoops in whilst the local boy is in possession of such evidence indicating his intention to committ the crime.

They have a long history of doing that.

Man planning to blow up Missouri hospital killed in shootout: FBI

The incident unfolded Tuesday when the FBI moved to arrest 36-year-old Timothy Wilson in Belton, Mo. “at the conclusion of a long-running domestic terrorism investigation,” the federal agency said.…

nypost.com

Despite your assertions, the guy would have most likely killed someone due to his religious fervor and anti-government stance.

Lots of people are very,very religious and never harm anyone.......also....as far as I know we only have the fbi's assertion that he was religious and anti-government.....also many folks are against our government and never harm anyone....so all you have is conjecture.

As do you.

about this particular case.......yes.............but I do have more.....the history of the FBI engaging in entrapment and worse.

Let's enlighten you about something. The FBI doesn't send out agents in cars to select people on the street at random to "entrap" them into committing crimes. They get word about individuals or groups that are vehemently anti-government and calling for action against it. No government would ignore this and all governments would send out agents to investigate whether such an individual or group might actually be dangerous and if determined to be "potentially" dangerous if he/she or a group were considered such, then they need to be arrested and incarcerated to reduce any dangerous action such individuals might actually pursue, given the chance. All nations governments would do the same and in many of the nations, such individuals would be hung, shot, or beheaded. To just ignore them as kooks, and then have lives lost due to inaction, would be not only the fault of the government, but also the fault of those who pushed the government to ignore the kooks.
Those like yourself.

hehheh You would be quite happy in any totalitarian state.

True Americans backed up by the costitution believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion....we do not need a federal police organization persecuting, arresting or plotting against anyone or attempting to entrap anyone that is not guilty of any crime. even though they may be eccentric or engage in uncommon thougts or politically incorrect speech.



Also....we have not forgotten about Ruby Ridge.....http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/weaver/weaveraccount.html

Shootings at Ruby Ridge | August 22, 1992 | HISTORY

In the second day of a standoff at Randy Weaver’s remote northern Idaho cabin atop Ruby Ridge, FBI sharpshooter Lon Horiuchi wounds Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris, and then kills Weaver’s wife, Vicki. Randy Weaver, an alleged white supremacist, had been targeted by the federal government for...

www.history.com

Take a hike boyo....you have a foul odor about you.

If it quacks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it stinks like a duck......probably just some libtarded fool. hehheh

 

[Missourian]

I think even if what you say is true...if you can be convinced to blow up a hospital during a national pandemic...I really don't mind if the FBI makes sure you're not around anymore.

How do you know he had been convinced to blow up a hospital? The TV said so? James Comey's FBI said so? Perhaps he had been running a reverse sting on the FBI and had uncovered corruption. Maybe he was a whistle blower and so they killed him. He's dead (en route to the hospital) so he never had his day in court.

On local news, a neighbor said the police weren't letting anyone get close enough to see what was happening.

They also noted Mr Wilson was guilty of crime think. He had racist views. Are you ok with the FBI making sure racists aren't around anymore, too?

Those hoofbeats you're hearing? They are horses...not zebras.

It's Occam's Razor. What is more likely...that this guy who died in a shootout with the FBI was a terrorist wannabe who was prepared to blow up a hospital during a national pandemic...or...the FBI chose some random guy, shot him for shits and grins, then fabricated a story sensational enough to make the national news as a cover story.

Using your critical thinking skills...which of those stories sounds more believable?

 

[LuckyDuck]

this case smacks of so many others wherein the fbi entraps some ole boy of not much intelligence into doing something that he otherwise could not have done on his own or would not have done on his own ---in order to get the praise and admiration of his fbi friend.

this sort of behavior by the fbi is one of the few things they are very good at...setting up some gullible, lonely ole boy who is in need of a friend. The kind of simple minded ole local boy that drinks too much at the local gathering spot and runs off at the mouth ---attracting someone's attention.

the way the fbi does it-- is to send in a personable and likeable agent who has a talent of persuasion.

He befriends his victim and over a period of time using standard psychological tools is able to dominate and control his victim....then he talks him into agreeing to get involved with some horrible crime. the fbi then sets up a scenario of helping the victim get the explosives or whatever and then swoops in whilst the local boy is in possession of such evidence indicating his intention to committ the crime.

They have a long history of doing that.

Man planning to blow up Missouri hospital killed in shootout: FBI

The incident unfolded Tuesday when the FBI moved to arrest 36-year-old Timothy Wilson in Belton, Mo. “at the conclusion of a long-running domestic terrorism investigation,” the federal agency said.…

nypost.com

Despite your assertions, the guy would have most likely killed someone due to his religious fervor and anti-government stance.

Lots of people are very,very religious and never harm anyone.......also....as far as I know we only have the fbi's assertion that he was religious and anti-government.....also many folks are against our government and never harm anyone....so all you have is conjecture.

As do you.

about this particular case.......yes.............but I do have more.....the history of the FBI engaging in entrapment and worse.

Let's enlighten you about something. The FBI doesn't send out agents in cars to select people on the street at random to "entrap" them into committing crimes. They get word about individuals or groups that are vehemently anti-government and calling for action against it. No government would ignore this and all governments would send out agents to investigate whether such an individual or group might actually be dangerous and if determined to be "potentially" dangerous if he/she or a group were considered such, then they need to be arrested and incarcerated to reduce any dangerous action such individuals might actually pursue, given the chance. All nations governments would do the same and in many of the nations, such individuals would be hung, shot, or beheaded. To just ignore them as kooks, and then have lives lost due to inaction, would be not only the fault of the government, but also the fault of those who pushed the government to ignore the kooks.
Those like yourself.

hehheh You would be quite happy in any totalitarian state.

True Americans backed up by the costitution believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion....we do not need a federal police organization persecuting, arresting or plotting against anyone or attempting to entrap anyone that is not guilty of any crime. even though they may be eccentric or engage in uncommon thougts or politically incorrect speech.



Also....we have not forgotten about Ruby Ridge.....http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/weaver/weaveraccount.html

Shootings at Ruby Ridge | August 22, 1992 | HISTORY

In the second day of a standoff at Randy Weaver’s remote northern Idaho cabin atop Ruby Ridge, FBI sharpshooter Lon Horiuchi wounds Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris, and then kills Weaver’s wife, Vicki. Randy Weaver, an alleged white supremacist, had been targeted by the federal government for...

www.history.com

Take a hike boyo....you have a foul odor about you.

If it quacks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it stinks like a duck......probably just some libtarded fool. hehheh

Ahh, insults. The last refuge of someone losing an argument.

 

[MacTheKnife]

The bottom line the FBI should not be judge, jury and executioner.......as appears might have been the case in this alleged plot in Missouri.


'Entrapment is a complete defense to a criminal charge, on the theory that "Government agents may not originate a criminal design, implant in an innocent person's mind the disposition to commit a criminal act, and then induce commission of the crime so that the Government may prosecute." Jacobson v. United States, 503 U.S. 540, 548 (1992). A valid entrapment defense has two related elements: (1) government inducement of the crime, and (2) the defendant's lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct. Mathews v. United States, 485 U.S. 58, 63 (1988). Of the two elements, predisposition is by far the more important.

Inducement is the threshold issue in the entrapment defense. Mere solicitation to commit a crime is not inducement. Sorrells v. United States, 287 U.S. 435, 451 (1932). Nor does the government's use of artifice, stratagem, pretense, or deceit establish inducement. Id. at 441. Rather, inducement requires a showing of at least persuasion or mild coercion, United States v. Nations, 764 F.2d 1073, 1080 (5th Cir. 1985); pleas based on need, sympathy, or friendship, ibid.; or extraordinary promises of the sort "that would blind the ordinary person to his legal duties," United States v. Evans, 924 F.2d 714, 717 (7th Cir. 1991). See also United States v. Kelly, 748 F.2d 691, 698 (D.C. Cir. 1984) (inducement shown only if government's behavior was such that "a law-abiding citizen's will to obey the law could have been overborne"); United States v. Johnson, 872 F.2d 612, 620 (5th Cir. 1989) (inducement shown if government created "a substantial risk that an offense would be committed by a person other than one ready to commit it").

Even if inducement has been shown, a finding of predisposition is fatal to an entrapment defense. The predisposition inquiry focuses upon whether the defendant "was an unwary innocent or, instead, an unwary criminal who readily availed himself of the opportunity to perpetrate the crime." Mathews, 485 U.S. at 63. Thus, predisposition should not be confused with intent or mens rea: a person may have the requisite intent to commit the crime, yet be entrapped. Also, predisposition may exist even in the absence of prior criminal involvement: "the ready commission of the criminal act," such as where a defendant promptly accepts an undercover agent's offer of an opportunity to buy or sell drugs, may itself establish predisposition. Jacobson, 503 U.S. at 550.'

645. Entrapment—Elements

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