Making America Great Again: President Trump Seriously Looking At Ending Birthright Citizenship

[pknopp]

Let's also remember.......this is Trump. Trump says he is "considering" many things but then never actually does something. He knows how to pull these strings.

 

[skews13]

Excellent. Let's run it and take it to the SCOTUS.

Trump Targets 'Ridiculous' Right To Citizenship For Anyone Born In U.S. | HuffPost

You would lose. The 14th Amendment has already been held up to cover those born on US soil.

You can amend the Constitution, and with the 14th, that isn’t going to happen.

SCOTUS can revisit any previous ruling.

Yes they can, but if they revisit the 14th, you can kiss the 2nd goodbye, just as soon as large enough Democrat majorities in Congress appoint more justices to the court.

And if you don’t think that’s not going to happen, you’re not paying attention,

 

[pknopp]

Excellent. Let's run it and take it to the SCOTUS.

Trump Targets 'Ridiculous' Right To Citizenship For Anyone Born In U.S. | HuffPost

You would lose. The 14th Amendment has already been held up to cover those born on US soil.

You can amend the Constitution, and with the 14th, that isn’t going to happen.

SCOTUS can revisit any previous ruling.

Yes they can, but if they revisit the 14th, you can kiss the 2nd goodbye, just as soon as large enough Democrat majorities in Congress appoint more justices to the court.

And if you don’t think that’s not going to happen, you’re not paying attention,

I don't think that is going to happen. The country isn't interested in doing that.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Excellent. Let's run it and take it to the SCOTUS.

Trump Targets 'Ridiculous' Right To Citizenship For Anyone Born In U.S. | HuffPost

You would lose. The 14th Amendment has already been held up to cover those born on US soil.

You can amend the Constitution, and with the 14th, that isn’t going to happen.

SCOTUS can revisit any previous ruling.

Yes they can, but if they revisit the 14th, you can kiss the 2nd goodbye, just as soon as large enough Democrat majorities in Congress appoint more justices to the court.

And if you don’t think that’s not going to happen, you’re not paying attention,

I don't think that is going to happen. The country isn't interested in doing that.

Have REAL Americans benefited by the 14th?
Wasn’t the constitution framed by The People to benefit The People...shouldn’t it do exactly that?
The constitution was never intended to benefit wetbacks.
Then there’s this.....
There is no 14th Amendment.
https://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

 

[pknopp]

Excellent. Let's run it and take it to the SCOTUS.

Trump Targets 'Ridiculous' Right To Citizenship For Anyone Born In U.S. | HuffPost

You would lose. The 14th Amendment has already been held up to cover those born on US soil.

You can amend the Constitution, and with the 14th, that isn’t going to happen.

SCOTUS can revisit any previous ruling.

Yes they can, but if they revisit the 14th, you can kiss the 2nd goodbye, just as soon as large enough Democrat majorities in Congress appoint more justices to the court.

And if you don’t think that’s not going to happen, you’re not paying attention,

I don't think that is going to happen. The country isn't interested in doing that.

Have REAL Americans benefited by the 14th?
Wasn’t the constitution framed by The People to benefit The People...shouldn’t it do exactly that?
The constitution was never intended to benefit wetbacks.
Then there’s this.....
There is no 14th Amendment.
https://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

You run with that.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You would lose. The 14th Amendment has already been held up to cover those born on US soil.

You can amend the Constitution, and with the 14th, that isn’t going to happen.

SCOTUS can revisit any previous ruling.

Yes they can, but if they revisit the 14th, you can kiss the 2nd goodbye, just as soon as large enough Democrat majorities in Congress appoint more justices to the court.

And if you don’t think that’s not going to happen, you’re not paying attention,

I don't think that is going to happen. The country isn't interested in doing that.

Have REAL Americans benefited by the 14th?
Wasn’t the constitution framed by The People to benefit The People...shouldn’t it do exactly that?
The constitution was never intended to benefit wetbacks.
Then there’s this.....
There is no 14th Amendment.
https://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

You run with that.

Run with a theory beneficial to REAL Americans? Why does that suck for you?
What part of that disgusting super shithole Mexico are you from?

 

[pknopp]

SCOTUS can revisit any previous ruling.

Yes they can, but if they revisit the 14th, you can kiss the 2nd goodbye, just as soon as large enough Democrat majorities in Congress appoint more justices to the court.

And if you don’t think that’s not going to happen, you’re not paying attention,

I don't think that is going to happen. The country isn't interested in doing that.

Have REAL Americans benefited by the 14th?
Wasn’t the constitution framed by The People to benefit The People...shouldn’t it do exactly that?
The constitution was never intended to benefit wetbacks.
Then there’s this.....
There is no 14th Amendment.
https://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

You run with that.

Run with a theory beneficial to REAL Americans? Why does that suck for you?
What part of that disgusting super shithole Mexico are you from?

I'm not arguing with you here. Run with your argument. It's surely a winner.

 

[wamose]

that would be interesting since it takes much more than the scotus to change an amendment.

No it doesn't.

SCOTUS's make shit up if you have activist judges. That's 1 reason I was a "Never Hillaryer" from the start.

Roe v Wade is a glaring example.

I think Clinton dresses like this so he can have a clear conscience when he goes to the little girls room. Talk about Presidential.

 

[White_MAGA_Man]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

See nothing in the 14th referring to slaves. Born on U.S. soil you're a citizen period so you dream on boy.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

The 14th was created to make the freed slaves citizens, not Illegals! Sen. Lyman Trumbull, a key figure in the adoption of the 14th Amendment, said that “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. included not owing allegiance to any other country. Anchor babies do not meet the 14th Amendment’s jurisdictional allegiance obligations. They are, in fact, subject to the political jurisdiction (and allegiance) of the country of their parents.

 

[debbiedowner]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

See nothing in the 14th referring to slaves. Born on U.S. soil you're a citizen period so you dream on boy.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

The 14th was created to make the freed slaves citizens, not Illegals! Sen. Lyman Trumbull, a key figure in the adoption of the 14th Amendment, said that “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. included not owing allegiance to any other country. Anchor babies do not meet the 14th Amendment’s jurisdictional allegiance obligations. They are, in fact, subject to the political jurisdiction (and allegiance) of the country of their parents.

Whatever floats your boat stick with it, but he cannot change any amendment by executive order.

 

[debbiedowner]

Let's also remember.......this is Trump. Trump says he is "considering" many things but then never actually does something. He knows how to pull these strings.

Yep, the nut job has nothing else to do but throw shit out and get his base riled up and then pull back disappointing the suck asses once again.

 

[Timmy]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

Ok. Let’s do it .. retroactive !

Which means overnight you eliminated basically all citizenship because most Americans citizenship is traced back to birthright .

Ironically the only citizens left will be immigrants who naturalized and black People because of the 14th. I’m sure that’s what Trump and the cons want ! Lol.

 

[WEATHER53]

I think if you are born here then you are here. The USA can accommodate that.

 

[Timmy]

How about a show of hands . Who here DIDNT get their citizenship through birthright ?

 

[Siete]

BREAKING; Trump fires up leg humping drones with vapid rhetoric !!!!

END OF STORY

 

[BlindBoo]

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Trumpybear and his imaginary pen again.

 

[BlindBoo]

How about a show of hands . Who here DIDNT get their citizenship through birthright ?

My family got bought in 1803. Been birthin citizens ever since.

 

[The Original Tree]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

There actually is no such thing as Birthright Citizenship. The 14th was written to stop The Southern Democrats from Depriving Their Former Slaves and Children of their Civil Rights, and mandated that the Children of Former Slaves become automatically Citizens.
Former Slaves were under The Jurisdiction of The United States.

Illegal Aliens are not, and are under The Jurisdiction of the country where they hold citizenship. Honestly President Trump does not have to do anything to stop Birthright Citizenship, because there is no such thing. He can simply over turn policy, and if challenged win in SCOTUS. Pretty much a slam dunk case.

 

[Siete]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

There actually is no such thing as Birthright Citizenship. The 14th was written to stop The Southern Democrats from Depriving Their Former Slaves and Children of their Civil Rights, and mandated that the Children of Former Slaves become automatically Citizens.
Former Slaves were under The Jurisdiction of The United States.

Illegal Aliens are not, and are under The Jurisdiction of the country where they hold citizenship. Honestly President Trump does not have to do anything to stop Birthright Citizenship, because there is no such thing. He can simply over turn policy, and if challenged win in SCOTUS. Pretty much a slam dunk case.

so he's an idiot TWICE with one comment

thanks, but we know that

 

[BlindBoo]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

There actually is no such thing as Birthright Citizenship. The 14th was written to stop The Southern Democrats from Depriving Their Former Slaves and Children of their Civil Rights, and mandated that the Children of Former Slaves become automatically Citizens.
Former Slaves were under The Jurisdiction of The United States.

Illegal Aliens are not, and are under The Jurisdiction of the country where they hold citizenship. Honestly President Trump does not have to do anything to stop Birthright Citizenship, because there is no such thing. He can simply over turn policy, and if challenged win in SCOTUS. Pretty much a slam dunk case.

In short the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” excludes three and only three groups of people:

• Children born to foreign diplomats here on diplomatic business, who have diplomatic immunity to US Law;
  
  
• Children of members of an invading army that has occupied and controlled some part of US territory, born on that occupied area, who are obviously not subject to US Law (which has rarely happened in the US, although Guam was occupied during WWII, and parts of Alaska, and small parts of Maine during the War of 1812); and
  
  
• Members of Native American tribes, subject to the jurisdiction of their tribal governments, who do not pay US taxes. (This was true when the 14th amendment was passed, but it no longer is. See section below on the act that changed it in 1924.)
  

Any other person born in the proper US or in incorporated US territory is a citizen, no matter who his or her parents are or were. (The case is less clear for unincorporated US territory.)

What is the meaning of “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in the 14th amendment?