Majority of Israeli Jews show that they are racist

[Shusha]

As you see, though non-Jews (including Bedouins) outnumbered the Jews in the Jew partition. The Jews were given the authority to rule over non-Jews over 55% of the land. With more than a third of the Palestinian Christians and Muslims relegated to Jew rule, how could the Palestinians accept the deal?

Rights do not belong only to majority populations. They belong to all. If you don't want to live under "Jew rule" then move to your side of the partition. It really is that simple.

 

[montelatici]

The majority was non-Jew.

 

[Shusha]

The majority was non-Jew.

And rights belong to minorities as well as majorities. Equally. No distinction. The Jewish people and the Arab people BOTH have a right to self-determination and sovereignty. So, there are two choices:

1. BOTH sovereign nations have a mix of both populations and some people live under the sovereignty of the other

2. There is an exchange of populations.

Those are the options.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Palestine was created by post WWI treaties. The Mandate, according to the League of Nations Covenant, was to assist in bringing the country up to independence. Britain failed to follow the Covenant and left without fulfilling its responsibility.

Palestine's territory was defined in post WWI treaties. That did not make it a State. The Mandate was to assist in bringing the country to independence -- as the National Homeland for the Jewish people. This was most certainly achieved. The British left because they no longer had a role to play in the development of the people and the sovereignty there. Israel took the reins. Job done.

Not true. Britain passed the baton to the UN, not to Israel, when they left Palestine

And the UN recognized Israel. As in recognized that the Mandate was complete because Israel was able to stand alone.

But, they threw out or killed half of the population that was left in the Jewish partition.

Threw out or the Arabs fled themselves. Not killed.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

As you see, though non-Jews (including Bedouins) outnumbered the Jews in the Jew partition. The Jews were given the authority to rule over non-Jews over 55% of the land. With more than a third of the Palestinian Christians and Muslims relegated to Jew rule, how could the Palestinians accept the deal?

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A/364 of 3 September 1947

So because it wasn't exactly 50/50, but there was a 5% imbalance, therefore all the bloodshed? Just because of 5%?

 

[BulletProof]

So tell us why all the Arab nations recognize Israel.

That makes it all the more inexcusable that the Israel denies the right of Palestine to exist. Nations have a self-interest in preserving themselves, which is why Saddam didn't hide WMDs from inspectors and why North Korea won't start a war. If all Arab nations recognize Israel, then it should be expected that a Palestinian nation as well. By, denying the Palestinians a state, the Jews are only perpetuating violence against Israel. Those Jew Antichrists want the Gaza and West Bank government to be an occupation enforcer. Fck that.

What do we all know about Jews? They are liars and they are hostile to all men, as the Bible rightly observes. Why don't you stop lying for once and confess that Israel has only one goal in mind, that is to annex Gaza and the West Bank after getting rid of the Palestinians.

 

[Shusha]

That makes it all the more inexcusable that the Israel denies the right of Palestine to exist.

Israel does not deny the right of Arab Palestine to exist as a State. Israel denies Arab Palestine's ABILITY to exist as a State (at the moment, with absolutely no indication of a change anytime soon).

 

[Shusha]

Jews are only perpetuating violence against Israel.

Victim blaming. Assigning responsibility for evil acts upon the targets rather than on the perpetrators.

 

[Shusha]

What do we all know about Jews? They are liars and they are hostile to all men, as the Bible rightly observes.

Blatant, undisguised (Christian) antisemitism.

 

[BulletProof]

Israel does not deny the right of Arab Palestine to exist as a State. Israel denies Arab Palestine's ABILITY to exist as a State (at the moment, with absolutely no indication of a change anytime soon).

And, you say you're not a Jew. LOL

Israel can choose to recognize Palestine as a state at any time, and ask the US and UN to do likewise. Then we can worry about "ability."

 

[Shusha]

Israel can choose to recognize Palestine as a state at any time, and ask the US and UN to do likewise. Then we can worry about "ability."

Okay, let's follow your line of thinking. Does the government of Arab Palestine have the ability to exercise sovereignty over its territory? Exactly what territory would that be? Does it have will and infrastructure to ensure the safety and security of all its people? Does the government of Arab Palestine have the ability to engage in relations with other States? Does it have the will and infrastructure to prevent its people from attacking other sovereign States?

 

[Shusha]

See, the problem with recognition before ability is that it results in chaos. Just what do you think will happen if Israel recognizes Gaza, as example, and starts treating her as an independent State?

Here are some of my thoughts:

1. Land border closes. There is no law which requires one State to provide access or services to the citizens of another State. No access to Israeli medicine. No access to Israeli electricity. No access to Israeli water. Etc. Etc. Etc. Provision of aide is strictly voluntary.

2. Sea border opens. Gazans begin importing weapons, kindly provided by Iran and Qatar. What follows? 1. Israel blockades the sea again OR 2. Israel waits until there is a belligerent hostile act committed by one sovereign State against another sovereign State and then legally defends herself OR 3. Israel commits preemptive action against the immanent threat and then legally defends herself.

3. Air blockade ends. See above.

HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT the Arab Palestinians?

 

[BulletProof]

Blatant, undisguised (Christian) antisemitism.

You caught me. I'm not a Jew.

 

[Shusha]

Blatant, undisguised (Christian) antisemitism.

You caught me. I'm not a Jew.

Duh. Just a run-of-the-mill Christian operating on the same Crusader and Inquisition mentality from 2000 thousand years ago.

 

[Indeependent]

So tell us why all the Arab nations recognize Israel.

That makes it all the more inexcusable that the Israel denies the right of Palestine to exist. Nations have a self-interest in preserving themselves, which is why Saddam didn't hide WMDs from inspectors and why North Korea won't start a war. If all Arab nations recognize Israel, then it should be expected that a Palestinian nation as well. By, denying the Palestinians a state, the Jews are only perpetuating violence against Israel. Those Jew Antichrists want the Gaza and West Bank government to be an occupation enforcer. Fck that.

What do we all know about Jews? They are liars and they are hostile to all men, as the Bible rightly observes. Why don't you stop lying for once and confess that Israel has only one goal in mind, that is to annex Gaza and the West Bank after getting rid of the Palestinians.

Horse crap.
Tzoah soos.

 

[Linkiloo]

Israel is exactly like South Africa under Apartheid, probably worse.

"During a joint press conference with Palestinian Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah on Monday, Mandela said: “The settlements I saw here [in the West Bank] reminded me of what we had suffered in South Africa because we also were surrounded by many settlements and were not allowed to move from one place to another freely.

Palestinians are being subjected to the worst version of apartheid.”

Mandela’s grandson on visit: ‘Israel is the worst apartheid regime'

Why do you constantly repeat this apartheid slur although i have shown you time and time again that the best (and most critical of Israel, South African legal minds) have said that it is false: Opinion | Israel and the Apartheid Slander

 

[Indeependent]

Israel is exactly like South Africa under Apartheid, probably worse.

"During a joint press conference with Palestinian Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah on Monday, Mandela said: “The settlements I saw here [in the West Bank] reminded me of what we had suffered in South Africa because we also were surrounded by many settlements and were not allowed to move from one place to another freely.

Palestinians are being subjected to the worst version of apartheid.”

Mandela’s grandson on visit: ‘Israel is the worst apartheid regime'

Why do you constantly repeat this apartheid slur although i have shown you time and time again that the best (and most critical of Israel, South African legal minds) have said that it is false: Opinion | Israel and the Apartheid Slander

Monty is a known Jew hater as we rejected Jesus.

 

[teddyearp]

Israel is exactly like South Africa under Apartheid, probably worse.

"During a joint press conference with Palestinian Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah on Monday, Mandela said: “The settlements I saw here [in the West Bank] reminded me of what we had suffered in South Africa because we also were surrounded by many settlements and were not allowed to move from one place to another freely.

Palestinians are being subjected to the worst version of apartheid.”

Mandela’s grandson on visit: ‘Israel is the worst apartheid regime'

Why do you constantly repeat this apartheid slur although i have shown you time and time again that the best (and most critical of Israel, South African legal minds) have said that it is false: Opinion | Israel and the Apartheid Slander

It is self-projection. How many Jews live in Area A, and how many will live in any Palestinian state? None.

 

[thomosbaysore]

"Israel does not have the right to keep infiltrators out of its borders and kick those who came in, out."

Until their status is established they are refugees.
According to the convention and protocol relating to the status of refugees

Article 3
non-discrimination
The Contracting States shall apply the provisions of this Convention to refu-
gees without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin.

Article 26
Freedom of movement
Each Contracting State shall accord to refugees lawfully in its territory the
right to choose their place of residence to move freely within its territory,
subject to any regulations applicable to aliens generally in the same circum-
stances


"I would say not, even if some poll of some people in the country came out saying that most of those polled are racists."

So now the poll was flawed and not indicative?


"Are the Israeli Muslims attacking Jews and others with knives, screw drivers, cars, etc racists and other non Muslims?

How many non Israeli Jews have Israeli civilian Jews in Israel attacked in the past three years compared with how many Jews and other non Jews have been attacked by Israeli Muslims or Christians.
And I am talking about all of them being citizens.

Because then, we can ask how many non Israeli Jews have attacked non Israeli Muslims and Christians in Israel proper, or in Judea, Samaria or even in Gaza.

Let us have a poll of that.

Or better still, let us have the reports of attacks for the past three years"

And I repeat, lets compare the numbers with more than 2,100 Palestinians killed during the last Gaza war, 7 in 10 being civilians. And many more since. Who is the greater evil?


"Well, I and others have explained and put to rest your idea that most Jews in Israel are racists based on some poll and ONE article."

No, all you have done is divert the subject, ignore the facts, and attack me. It's all in black and white.

Infiltrators are not refugees. End of story.

2100 Palestinians in Gaza were not civilians. Some were, and you do not have the information on that, any more on how many were combatants who belonged to Hamas or the other militia groups in Gaza.

Are you saying that all 2100 were unarmed and did not fire rockets, or were armed, or did not attack Israeli soldiers during that war?

Civilian Gazans are involved in the war of 2014? Only civilians?

You keep changing the thread subjects to the war in Gaza.

Once the neighboring Muslim countries start offering those Africans asylum and not shooting at them on site, then you will have a case.

Israel has absolutely no obligation to absorb anyone, from any country if it endangers the population or the country itself.

It has been established that too many of them are a danger to the Israeli population, so you will have to keep feeling superior and invite them to your country to live with you.

Do as the Canadians have done

Thousands of African migrants have left Israel for West — report

"Infiltrators are not refugees. End of story."

Israel is not establishing that since they are offering two options, leave or go to jail as the alternative.

They are not processing them at all.

You (conveniently) chose to avoid the sections of the charter on refugees of which Israel is a signatory, so I will repeat it:

Article 3
non-discrimination
The Contracting States shall apply the provisions of this Convention to refu-
gees without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin.

Article 26
Freedom of movement
Each Contracting State shall accord to refugees lawfully in its territory the
right to choose their place of residence to move freely within its territory,
subject to any regulations applicable to aliens generally in the same circum-
stances

Unless 100% of entrants are not refugees (which Israel are not even establishing first) then Israel are contravening the charter they signed up to.

Simple question for you, do you agree or disagree?

"2100 Palestinians in Gaza were not civilians. Some were, and you do not have the information on that,"

Keep avoiding. 7 out of 10 were civilians (Source: United Nations). That's over 1470 civilians out of over 2100 Palestinians.

Are you denying the UN sources figures?

And I repeat who is the greater terrorist, Israel or the Palestinians?

Simple questions, can you answer them or are you a sly coward who avoids the questions you don't like?

I guess you should share this with all the Arabs at the UN that recognize Israel.
Hurry!

No answers from another dodger.

You really are a sly bunch

So tell us why all the Arab nations recognize Israel.

More lies from you Indeependent:

International recognition of Israel - Wikipedia

"At present, a total of 31 United Nations member states do not recognise the State of Israel: 18 of the 21 UN members in the Arab League: Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen; a further 10 members of Organisation of Islamic Cooperation: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Chad, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Niger, and Pakistan. Other countries which do not recognise Israel include Bhutan, Cuba, and North Korea."

 

[Indeependent]

Infiltrators are not refugees. End of story.

2100 Palestinians in Gaza were not civilians. Some were, and you do not have the information on that, any more on how many were combatants who belonged to Hamas or the other militia groups in Gaza.

Are you saying that all 2100 were unarmed and did not fire rockets, or were armed, or did not attack Israeli soldiers during that war?

Civilian Gazans are involved in the war of 2014? Only civilians?

You keep changing the thread subjects to the war in Gaza.

Once the neighboring Muslim countries start offering those Africans asylum and not shooting at them on site, then you will have a case.

Israel has absolutely no obligation to absorb anyone, from any country if it endangers the population or the country itself.

It has been established that too many of them are a danger to the Israeli population, so you will have to keep feeling superior and invite them to your country to live with you.

Do as the Canadians have done

Thousands of African migrants have left Israel for West — report

"Infiltrators are not refugees. End of story."

Israel is not establishing that since they are offering two options, leave or go to jail as the alternative.

They are not processing them at all.

You (conveniently) chose to avoid the sections of the charter on refugees of which Israel is a signatory, so I will repeat it:

Article 3
non-discrimination
The Contracting States shall apply the provisions of this Convention to refu-
gees without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin.

Article 26
Freedom of movement
Each Contracting State shall accord to refugees lawfully in its territory the
right to choose their place of residence to move freely within its territory,
subject to any regulations applicable to aliens generally in the same circum-
stances

Unless 100% of entrants are not refugees (which Israel are not even establishing first) then Israel are contravening the charter they signed up to.

Simple question for you, do you agree or disagree?

"2100 Palestinians in Gaza were not civilians. Some were, and you do not have the information on that,"

Keep avoiding. 7 out of 10 were civilians (Source: United Nations). That's over 1470 civilians out of over 2100 Palestinians.

Are you denying the UN sources figures?

And I repeat who is the greater terrorist, Israel or the Palestinians?

Simple questions, can you answer them or are you a sly coward who avoids the questions you don't like?

I guess you should share this with all the Arabs at the UN that recognize Israel.
Hurry!

No answers from another dodger.

You really are a sly bunch

So tell us why all the Arab nations recognize Israel.

More lies from you Indeependent:

International recognition of Israel - Wikipedia

"At present, a total of 31 United Nations member states do not recognise the State of Israel: 18 of the 21 UN members in the Arab League: Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen; a further 10 members of Organisation of Islamic Cooperation: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Chad, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Niger, and Pakistan. Other countries which do not recognise Israel include Bhutan, Cuba, and North Korea."

They don’t recognize Israel at all or the current borders as a result of Jews kicking ass?