Major Media FAIL on Reporting the Pacific Northwest Heatwave

[ReinyDays]

Its a matter of simple physics. A wave length greater than 1.8um can only impact the surface of the oceans, the skin layer. This is where evaporation occurs and the layer just below the skin is cooler than the skin due to massive energy loss through evaporation. Your going to have to do some major learning about water and salt water dynamics of the oceans. Heating to depth can only occur by wavelengths of 0.2um-0.6um. The smaller the wave the deeper it penetrates. Energy captured by the skin is thrown off in evaporation. As the layer just below the skin is cooler than the skin, this means that the ocean never sees the energy as heat.

You're going to have to find many sources of information to draw from.

Here is a chart showing depth penetration by differing wavelengths.

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The physics of evaporation isn't "simple" ... as demonstrated by your lack of knowledge in the matter ... if the air is saturated with water vapor over the ocean ... which is a common occurrence ... then there is NO evaporation ...

You need to apply the Equal Partition Theorem ... if energy has a route to equilibrium ... energy will take that route ... we have both evaporation and radiation happening at the same time ... and energy will conduct down the water column ... thus heating the oceans at depths ...

... and I NEVER said GHGs heat the oceans very quickly ... but they do heat the oceans ... 1.8 W/m^2 ... hah ha ha ha ha ha ... too funny ...

 

[Stryder50]

I'd suggest that plate tectonics might also be a major factor in ocean heating, especially at depths;
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Earth's lithosphere, which is the rigid outermost shell of a planet (the crust and upper mantle), is broken into seven or eight major plates (depending on how they are defined) and many minor plates. Where the plates meet, their relative motion determines the type of boundary: convergent, divergent, or transform. Earthquakes, volcanic activity, mountain-building, and oceanic trench formation occur along these plate boundaries (or faults). The relative movement of the plates typically ranges from zero to 10 cm annually.[3]

Tectonic plates are composed of the oceanic lithosphere and the thicker continental lithosphere, each topped by its own kind of crust. Along convergent boundaries, the process of subduction, or one plate moving under another, carries the edge of the lower one down into the mantle; the area of material lost is roughly balanced by the formation of new (oceanic) crust along divergent margins by seafloor spreading. In this way, the total geoid surface area of the lithosphere remains constant. This prediction of plate tectonics is also referred to as the conveyor belt principle. Earlier theories, since disproven, proposed gradual shrinking (contraction) or gradual expansion of the globe.[4]

Tectonic plates are able to move because Earth's lithosphere has greater mechanical strength than the underlying asthenosphere. Lateral density variations in the mantle result in convection; that is, the slow creeping motion of Earth's solid mantle. Plate movement is thought to be driven by a combination of the motion of the seafloor away from spreading ridges due to variations in topography (the ridge is a topographic high) and density changes in the crust (density increases as newly-formed crust cools and moves away from the ridge). At subduction zones the relatively cold, dense oceanic crust is "pulled" or sinks down into the mantle over the downward convecting limb of a mantle cell.[5] The relative importance of each of these factors and their relationship to each other is unclear, and still the subject of much debate.
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Plate tectonics - Wikipedia

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[jc456]

Watts Up With That?

Major Media FAIL on Reporting the Pacific Northwest Heatwave​

Anthony Watts

July 1, 2021

Excerpt:

The headline in E&E News, WOWT-TV, Scientific American, WorldNewsNetwork, and other media outlets this week, “Unprecedented Heat Wave in Pacific Northwest Driven by Climate Change” couldn’t possibly be more unscientific. With absolutely no analysis, no historical context, and nothing but conjecture, author Anne. C. Mulkern eschewed science for advocacy in her reporting of the brief Pacific Northwest (PNW) heat wave this week.

Yes, the heat wave set all-time high temperature records in Washington, Oregon, and Canada. But consider this: At best, we have about 150 years of reliable weather records for the PNW, so a “black swan” outlier event like this isn’t surprising. It’s happened before, most certainly. We just weren’t around to observe it. After all, Native Americans did not keep written weather records.

High (and low) temperature records are nothing new. But it is important to look at the past, because data show us that more high temperature records were set during the first half of the twentieth century than during the past 50 years. Even the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) confirms this.

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The asshole media ignores the RECORD COOL DOWN that came afterwards........, not only that warmist/alarmists ignore the rest of the country as this map shows what these turds ignore:

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USA actually COOLED over all that day.

Still waiting on where that climate went afterwards

 

[jc456]

The physics of evaporation isn't "simple" ... as demonstrated by your lack of knowledge in the matter ... if the air is saturated with water vapor over the ocean ... which is a common occurrence ... then there is NO evaporation ...

You need to apply the Equal Partition Theorem ... if energy has a route to equilibrium ... energy will take that route ... we have both evaporation and radiation happening at the same time ... and energy will conduct down the water column ... thus heating the oceans at depths ...

... and I NEVER said GHGs heat the oceans very quickly ... but they do heat the oceans ... 1.8 W/m^2 ... hah ha ha ha ha ha ... too funny ...

Then how does water from the oceans get in the air?

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[jc456]

Watts Up With That?

Major Media FAIL on Reporting the Pacific Northwest Heatwave​

Anthony Watts

July 1, 2021

Excerpt:

The headline in E&E News, WOWT-TV, Scientific American, WorldNewsNetwork, and other media outlets this week, “Unprecedented Heat Wave in Pacific Northwest Driven by Climate Change” couldn’t possibly be more unscientific. With absolutely no analysis, no historical context, and nothing but conjecture, author Anne. C. Mulkern eschewed science for advocacy in her reporting of the brief Pacific Northwest (PNW) heat wave this week.

Yes, the heat wave set all-time high temperature records in Washington, Oregon, and Canada. But consider this: At best, we have about 150 years of reliable weather records for the PNW, so a “black swan” outlier event like this isn’t surprising. It’s happened before, most certainly. We just weren’t around to observe it. After all, Native Americans did not keep written weather records.

High (and low) temperature records are nothing new. But it is important to look at the past, because data show us that more high temperature records were set during the first half of the twentieth century than during the past 50 years. Even the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) confirms this.

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The asshole media ignores the RECORD COOL DOWN that came afterwards........, not only that warmist/alarmists ignore the rest of the country as this map shows what these turds ignore:

View attachment 507853

USA actually COOLED over all that day.

I didn’t know heat was climate

 

[ReinyDays]

Then how does water from the oceans get in the air?

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You need to look up condensation as well ... and know that at saturation (100% Relative humidity), both evaporation and condensation occur at equal rates ... sorry, that is how "saturation" is defined in science ... the net energy change is still zero ... which is what my comment was addressing ...

if the air is saturated with water vapor over the ocean ... which is a common occurrence ... then there is NO evaporation ...

A nitpick or are you really this stupid? ... you forgot the large scale convective circulation system again ... didn't you? ...

 

[ReinyDays]

I didn’t know heat was climate

Well ... now you do ... climate and meteorology is all about thermodynamics complicated by water's constant changing-of-state ... in a space governed by Navier/Stokes ... [giggle] ...

If you can't follow the heat ... you're wrong ...easy peasy ...

(using "heat" in it's 19th Century usage ... today the better term is "energy" ... leaving "heat" to describe more strictly molecular kinetic energy = temperature)

 

[jc456]

You need to look up condensation as well ... and know that at saturation (100% Relative humidity), both evaporation and condensation occur at equal rates ... sorry, that is how "saturation" is defined in science ... the net energy change is still zero ... which is what my comment was addressing ...

if the air is saturated with water vapor over the ocean ... which is a common occurrence ... then there is NO evaporation ...

A nitpick or are you really this stupid? ... you forgot the large scale convective circulation system again ... didn't you? ...

Well when it rains it’s replacing what evaporated. Doesn’t mean that it isn’t humid. What’s humidity?

 

[jc456]

Well ... now you do ... climate and meteorology is all about thermodynamics complicated by water's constant changing-of-state ... in a space governed by Navier/Stokes ... [giggle] ...

If you can't follow the heat ... you're wrong ...easy peasy ...

(using "heat" in it's 19th Century usage ... today the better term is "energy" ... leaving "heat" to describe more strictly molecular kinetic energy = temperature)

I thought that was weather? Hmmm now you’re saying we have daily climate change? So, when an area is below average that’s heat?

 

[jc456]

You need to look up condensation as well ... and know that at saturation (100% Relative humidity), both evaporation and condensation occur at equal rates ... sorry, that is how "saturation" is defined in science ... the net energy change is still zero ... which is what my comment was addressing ...

if the air is saturated with water vapor over the ocean ... which is a common occurrence ... then there is NO evaporation ...

A nitpick or are you really this stupid? ... you forgot the large scale convective circulation system again ... didn't you? ...

Condensation needs cold to exist with humidity. Has nothing to do with evaporation. And, there’s no evaporation when oceans are frozen

 

[ReinyDays]

I thought that was weather? Hmmm now you’re saying we have daily climate change? So, when an area is below average that’s heat?

Condensation needs cold to exist with humidity. Has nothing to do with evaporation. And, there’s no evaporation when oceans are frozen

Weather is all about energy flow ... and average weather is average energy flow ... climate is average weather ... yes, everyplace in the universe has heat, that's part of the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics ... difficult to break but I think you've done it ... congratulations ...

Condensation requires a drop in pressure, and adiabatic cooling ... which in turn causes 100% RH ... so any furthe rdrop in pressure would force water vapor back into it's liquid state ... and water sublimates from ice ... which is melting and evaporation all in one step ...

 

[jc456]

Weather is all about energy flow ... and average weather is average energy flow ... climate is average weather ... yes, everyplace in the universe has heat, that's part of the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics ... difficult to break but I think you've done it ... congratulations ...

Condensation requires a drop in pressure, and adiabatic cooling ... which in turn causes 100% RH ... so any furthe rdrop in pressure would force water vapor back into it's liquid state ... and water sublimates from ice ... which is melting and evaporation all in one step ...

Average temperature is based off records for an area. Hot, cold and differences above and below.
Ice won’t melt without heat, without melt you have no liquid and no evaporation

 

[ReinyDays]

Average temperature is based off records for an area. Hot, cold and differences above and below.
Ice won’t melt without heat, without melt you have no liquid and no evaporation

Lowering PRESSURE melts ice as well ... are you using 17th Century alchemy or something here? ...

 

[jc456]

Lowering PRESSURE melts ice as well ... are you using 17th Century alchemy or something here? ...

I never said it didn't.

 

[ReinyDays]

Ice won’t melt without heat, without melt you have no liquid and no evaporation

Lowering PRESSURE melts ice as well ... are you using 17th Century alchemy or something here? ...

I never said it didn't.

Yes you did ... just your post before ... [handwave] ...

 

[jc456]

Yes you did ... just your post before ... [handwave] ...

quote the post then. What you have here doesn't suggest any such thing.