Looks Like We Are Heading Into The Doggy Doo-Doo Days of the Iran War Now

Yah!!!!
There is no backing out of this for the US. None. We can't repair what has happened and we can't destroy the 'enemy'.
Actually Israel's enemy but we are a lapdog...so. There's that.
What gives you the idea that we "cant destroy the enemy" ? CNN told you that ? MSNOW ? PBS ? :cuckoo:

And why do you put the word enemy in quotations marks? You think they are not that ? OMG, how ignorant are these people. See Post # 120.
 
Trying to negotiate with Iran is a waste of time.
Why would Iran negotiate with a regime that has attacked them more than once while negotiations were in progress and are holding a gun to their head? Iran is going for a strategic defeat of the US Empire in the region and there isn't a damn thing Trump can do to stop it, as explained here by Prof Marandi when he exposed this clown from Times news for the propagandist she is.
 
So, semantics.

That it?
War
: a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations

In order for a nation state to DECLARE something there is a legislative process of some type. A vote, a formal declaration.
There has never been anything of any type resembling that between our nation, Israel, or Iran.

In our dumbed down, myopic, society we just wait for the news or some dickhead in D.C. to tell us "This is a war" and we just nod out heads as we cram our faces full of shit.

Words, have meaning.
 
You (like a number of others in this thread) have NO IDEA what is going on here.

I really blame the US education system for not providing any information to kids about the 1400 years of Islamic "holy war", fought by Muslims.
Nothing about the 270 million people killed by them.

The massive swaths of land conquered by them, and all emanating from that one book (the Koran) commanding mass genocide, in which not word has been changed in 1400 years.
Like JohnDB , are you preparing to "Lock and Load" to shoot up a Mosque?
 
First, we want fewer nukes.
If so, took them from England and France. Those commited much more aggressive wars than Iran.

Second, the U.S have allies in the region and yes, Israel is top of mind but there are others. They don't want Iran to have nukes either they just don't express it publicly.
Oh, we do know what are you doing with your allies. You use them, and then you betray them. Eventually, it will happen with Israel and Arab monarchies, too. Why don't do it now and minimise the damage?

Third, we do not want to be enslaved by China and the deranged proxies they employ.
If you don't want to be enslaved, you should fight against slavery itself, not against your slaves. You should try to understand each other, talk it out and find a positive solution. If you think that China and Russia (or anybody else) are happy about American hegemony - think about it one more time. If you think that they would be happy to bear this kind of responsibility.... I very doubt it.

We constantly hear that Iran is the greatest funder of terrorism, this is not entirely true in my opinion. China is the greatest funder of local terrorism around the globe be it via spreading poisons that kill citizens, compromising politicians across governments (her discreetly I might add, the want all to be anti-American), encouraging open borders to destroy communities, the U.S and its allies.
Actually, there are two largest sponsors of terrorism in the world - America and Europe. All other are far behind. The only thing that saved the world from their total dominance are their corruption and incompetence.


Thus, it is time for Chinas global influence to wane and be challenged. Far better to do it now than when another insane regime have nukes.
Iran is not insane, and by this war, especially if you are going to continue it the same way, you are decreasing the leftovers of American fading influence, not increasing it. If you want to be better percepted in the world, you should do better than that. You should become better than you are. Your weakness, your incompetence, your intellectual uninvolvment, your moral degradation and corruption they are ruining your position in the international community much more effectively than any Chinese influence could. And if you say something like: "We wanna murder some Iranians (especially weak and children) because Chinamen are smarter and stronger" do you really think it might help you to improve your position?

Look, I hate war. I am almost as much an enigma as Trump. I operate on principle, not choosing sides in totality but always reminding any side on an issue I support "look in the mirror, who must we be"?
And we don't have other mirrors but other peoples. Do you like what you see in those mirrors?













Iran cannot have a nuke.

Iran shouldn't be under US control. If it means that it should have nukes - so it should be.
Is it the pretext for a larger agenda? Perhaps.
It's not even "pretext". It's just open, demonstrative and unprovoked aggression."F#ck you, that's why" style.

Thst is secondary in some respects (argued it can be primary in others). The statement still stand though. If Chinas influence and ability to drive their global authoritarianism is further undermined, that is just a huge bonus.
As I said early, every act of unprovoked and illegimate aggression just push all your potential and actual allies from you, usually, towards Russia and China. It's simply not a way you can control the world.
 
If so, took them from England and France. Those commited much more aggressive wars than Iran.


Oh, we do know what are you doing with your allies. You use them, and then you betray them. Eventually, it will happen with Israel and Arab monarchies, too. Why don't do it now and minimise the damage?


If you don't want to be enslaved, you should fight against slavery itself, not against your slaves. You should try to understand each other, talk it out and find a positive solution. If you think that China and Russia (or anybody else) are happy about American hegemony - think about it one more time. If you think that they would be happy to bear this kind of responsibility.... I very doubt it.


Actually, there are two largest sponsors of terrorism in the world - America and Europe. All other are far behind. The only thing that saved the world from their total dominance are their corruption and incompetence.



Iran is not insane, and by this war, especially if you are going to continue it the same way, you are decreasing the leftovers of American fading influence, not increasing it. If you want to be better percepted in the world, you should do better than that. You should become better than you are. Your weakness, your incompetence, your intellectual uninvolvment, your moral degradation and corruption they are ruining your position in the international community much more effectively than any Chinese influence could. And if you say something like: "We wanna murder some Iranians (especially weak and children) because Chinamen are smarter and stronger" do you really think it might help you to improve your position?


And we don't have other mirrors but other peoples. Do you like what you see in those mirrors?















Iran shouldn't be under US control. If it means that it should have nukes - so it should be.

It's not even "pretext". It's just open, demonstrative and unprovoked aggression."F#ck you, that's why" style.


As I said early, every act of unprovoked and illegimate aggression just push all your potential and actual allies from you, usually, towards Russia and China. It's simply not a way you can control the world.

I repeat, I would be very happy if NO nation had a nuke. Be it the Brits, Russians, Chinese, Israelis, French, N Koreans, Pakistanis, Indians or Americans (who am I missing?). I cannot turn back the clock, neither I nor you had any say in this invention. An invention that even most of the inventors feared.

All of the other positions you take are a bit rich coming from a Russian. Do you know how many brilliant Russians have been destroyed? By your own government! Ditto from East Germans and others in the East who destroyed their own.

Russia was a peer with the Americans in regards to ingenuity and intellectual advancement in the hard sciences. They destroyed their own citizens, often by the state. Jealousy, insecurity, cowardice? Whatever the reason, they destroyed their own talent. Canada does the same.

You have a history of culture and social ideas but these ideas are always considered dangerous to Russians while Americans generally enjoy challenging the norms.

Whatever a nation is going to do to its own citizens I expect they will do far worse to the rest of us. Thus, I do not want them to succeed or have a nuke.
 
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You (like a number of others in this thread) have NO IDEA what is going on here.
I have some ideas, but I'd be happy if you told me your ideas.

I really blame the US education system for not providing any information to kids about the 1400 years of Islamic "holy war", fought by Muslims.
I'm not US-educated person. I'm Russian (with Jewish and Ukrainian roots). I was raised in Southern Kazakhstan, in a little bubble of modern civilization in the sea of Islamic (and even Islamistic) medieval barbarism. Some of my friends were killed by Muslim radicals and I've personally participated in killing few of them, too.
But fighting wars in not specifically Muslim threat. It's human threat.


Nothing about the 270 million people killed by them.
Much more were killed by Christians. So what?

The massive swaths of land conquered by them, and all emanating from that one book (the Koran) commanding mass genocide, in which not word has been changed in 1400 years.
Bla-bla-bla. I do know about threats of Islamic radicalism. But what does it have to do with Iran? There were a lot of sponsors of terrorism in Chechnya - Saudies, Emirates, Turkey, etc... Even more were for Kosovo terrorists. But not Iran. They are very smart and reasonable people and we can make business with them. Nuclear Iran is much safer for the world (and America) than nuclear England or nuclear France.
 
I like Israel, you idiot!

I despise Bibi the psychopath with all my heart!

Two different things, apples and pears!

9 times out of 10, when someone opposes Israel, they're talking about Bi Bi and the corrupt Israeli government. Not so much the country itself or the citizens.
 
You (like a number of others in this thread) have NO IDEA what is going on here.

I really blame the US education system for not providing any information to kids about the 1400 years of Islamic "holy war", fought by Muslims.
Nothing about the 270 million people killed by them.

The massive swaths of land conquered by them, and all emanating from that one book (the Koran) commanding mass genocide, in which not word has been changed in 1400 years.
How were their wars any different than the wars of the Christians?
 
9 times out of 10, when someone opposes Israel, they're talking about Bi Bi and the corrupt Israeli government. Not so much the country itself or the citizens.
I dunno, collective guilt has worked so effectively against the Germans and Japanese for 85 years.
So much so that the retards come out of the wood work annually to defend nuking defenseless people.
 
I repeat, I would be very happy if NO nation had a nuke. Be it the Brits, Russians, Chinese, Israelis, French, N Koreans, Pakistanis, Indians or Americans (who am I missing?). I cannot turn back the clock, neither I nor you had any say in this invention. An invention that even most of the inventors feared.
But everything is changing. And if we are building new world, there can be the new set of leaders, like permanent members of UN SC (something like world's government), who posses nukes and control other countries on more or less agreeable terms. I'd said that those countries should be Russia, China, India, Brazil, Southern Africa and, may be, United States, if you agree with peaceful transition to this world. But, of course it's still just raw discussion.

All of the other positions you take are a bit rich coming from a Russian. Do you know how many brilliant Russians have been destroyed?
Diamonds are born only under high pressure, and brilliants need careful cutting. Most of it goes to garbage, of course, but garbage is also suitable for Americans.


Russia was a peer with the Americans in regards to ingenuity and intellectual advancement in the hard sciences.
And we are still at least a peer with Americans, may be, even slightly ahead. We just don't demonstrate it without reason.

They destroyed their own citizens, often by the state. Jealousy, insecurity, cowardice? Whatever the reason, they destroyed their own talent. Canada does the same.
C'est la vie. Nous sommes condamnés à nous détruire les uns les autres dans cette lutte sans fin. Dans la guerre de tous countre tous, chaque homme devient l'ennemi l'autre. Pour survivre, nous devons parfois briser ceux qui sont à nos côtés.
Excuse-moi pour mon français, but I think, it better fits the expression of philosophical acceptance of our poor fate in the world with limited resources, especially in Russia.

You have a history of culture and social ideas but these ideas are always considered dangerous to Russians while Americans generally enjoy challenging the norms.
Oh, my sweet summer child. Do you still believe in American intellectual freedom?
Whatever a nation is going to do to its own citizens I expect they will do far worse to the rest of us. Thus, I do not want them to succeed or have a nuke.
It depends. In the foreign affairs Mama Russia prefers reciprocity and, basically, we don't want to rule the world. If Russia conquer the world there are two possibilities:
1) Russia, specifically Moscow, accept everyone on the common terms for the common Russian Imperial space. In that case, everyone will come in Moscow, there will be only 7% of ethnic Russians there, and the most popular language in this Babylon will be English. Russian nationalists don't like even "open/close" signs on the doors.
2) Russia change itself and becomes a typical western colonial system with racism, nationalism and different sorts of citizens. And it might be even worse. If anyone thinks that Russian Orthodox Christianity somehow better or worse for people than American Protestantism - think one more time.

So, the best, and, de facto, the only practical way, is to defeat enemies and then leave them alone as independent as they can be without attacking Russia.
 
Didn't Trump bomb Iran at least twice DURING "negotiations?"

Iran doesn't negotiate, they merely try to buy time, then never hold up their end or keep their word. The USA could have utterly destroyed Iran way back in March had we wanted to, still, we negotiate to try to save lives in a country that by all measure, should be destroyed as nothing but a blight and a problem for the rest of the world because Iran is not content to coexist peacefully, but only wants military domination and ruthless control over world energy.
 
He's suppose to follow the rules set up by congress for it....every one of them.

And no, in our Constitution, he, the President, has no authority or power to declare a war without Congress.
Ignoring the fact that the war has already long been declared by Iran.
 
War
: a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations

In order for a nation state to DECLARE something there is a legislative process of some type. A vote, a formal declaration.
There has never been anything of any type resembling that between our nation, Israel, or Iran.

In our dumbed down, myopic, society we just wait for the news or some dickhead in D.C. to tell us "This is a war" and we just nod out heads as we cram our faces full of shit.

Words, have meaning.
Was that posted on the walls of the Marine barracks before the Iranians truck bombed us?
 
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trump posting this on truth social right now oughta help out with negotiations
 
Iran doesn't negotiate, they merely try to buy time, then never hold up their end or keep their word. The USA could have utterly destroyed Iran way back in March had we wanted to, still, we negotiate to try to save lives in a country that by all measure, should be destroyed as nothing but a blight and a problem for the rest of the world because Iran is not content to coexist peacefully, but only wants military domination and ruthless control over world energy.
Good excuse for attacking Iran while negotiations were happening, you clowns have been breaking agreements and treaties since the sand creek massacre in 1864 and also murdering sitting Bull, no one will ever trust you.
 
Is that more important than Americans at home really hurting right now with food inflation and gas prices, and healthcare astronomical costs among many other woes our countrymen are suffering from? Isn't this war and costs, making it much worse for Americans every day it goes on?
A brief look at history.

Please list all of the military conflicts the U.S has been in without a declaration of war

 
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