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Locke, Social Contract Theory, and the Citizens Right to Revolt

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Accepting defeat is one thing, but being part of the sheeple and allowing for stolen democracy is another. Many of the states that changed election laws did so in violation of the Constitution. The American Revolution was actually a civil war between Patriots and Loyalist. Ergo the other 50% better fucking arm themselves.
We've been armed and ready for many years now. We are the reason that qatriots find the ammunition shelves empty. Keep pushing and find out for yourselves.
Well spoken brother.

You dolts ought to watch what you say here.
This is how Parler got unplugged.
The host/servers for USMB might be getting nervous if idiots like yourselves post messages like this.
So fucking stupid, you idiots.
 

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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
It was.
 

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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
Do you see why slavery was bad?

Do you see why racism was bad?

Why segregation was bad?

Why Jim Crow was bad?

Why black Americans continue to FIGHT for our rights and JUSTICE?

You and many other whites in this country need to LEARN to live by your PROCLAIMED values!

SNAP OUT OF IT!!!!!

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There is no injustice toward black America. They just cry the loudest.
No one can even listen to you after this statement.
 

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Well spoken brother.
You may want to retract that statement Brother. I was speaking for what you referred to as the other 50% that need to arm themselves.

The right-wing always assumes that they're all militia tough and ready to fight the soy boys on the left. We keep them in the dark on purpose.
 

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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
and it was.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe this election was legitimate.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe it wasn't.
Throw out the corrupted mail-in ballots and what result do you get slow in the head boy?
They weren't corrupted..
Then let's look at the signatures in the voter registration log book. Oh, that's right, we can't. Rest my fucking case.
The ballots were gathered, examined, tallied, and certified. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your delusions. Trump lost. Bigly. Get over it and move on.

Speaking of blithering nincompoops, that's what it takes to think just saying, "Everything was perfectly fine, cleanest election ever, now get over it and accept what we want you to accept" is going to solve everything.
 
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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
and it was.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe this election was legitimate.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe it wasn't.
Throw out the corrupted mail-in ballots and what result do you get slow in the head boy?
They weren't corrupted..
Then let's look at the signatures in the voter registration log book. Oh, that's right, we can't. Rest my fucking case.
The ballots were gathered, examined, tallied, and certified. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your delusions. Trump lost. Bigly. Get over it and move on.

Speaking of blithering nincompoops, that's what it takes to think just saying, "Everything was perfectly fine, cleanest election ever, now get over it and accept what we want you to accept" is going to solve everything.
When we allow our democracy to be usurped we are no longer "American People" but just like the oppressed in Iran and North Korea!
 

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"Persistent presence"? I think "useful fantasy or delusion" is more accurate.
"Potent ideology" and "domestic terrorism" more appropriately describe contemporary white supremacy.
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White supremacy - Wikipedia

"On September 20, 2019, the acting Secretary of Homeland Security, Kevin McAleenan, announced his department's revised strategy for counter-terrorism, which included a new emphasis on the dangers inherent in the white supremacy movement.

"McAleenan called white supremacy one of the most 'potent ideologies' behind domestic terrorism-related violent acts.

"In a speech at the Brookings Institution, McAleenan cited a series of high-profile shooting incidents, and said 'In our modern age, the continued menace of racially based violent extremism, particularly white supremacist extremism, is an abhorrent affront to the nation, the struggle and unity of its diverse population.'"
 

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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
and it was.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe this election was legitimate.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe it wasn't.
Throw out the corrupted mail-in ballots and what result do you get slow in the head boy?
They weren't corrupted..
Then let's look at the signatures in the voter registration log book. Oh, that's right, we can't. Rest my fucking case.
The ballots were gathered, examined, tallied, and certified. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your delusions. Trump lost. Bigly. Get over it and move on.

Speaking of blithering nincompoops, that's what it takes to think just saying, "Everything was perfectly fine, cleanest election ever, now get over it and accept what we want you to accept" is going to solve everything.
When we allow our democracy to be usurped we are no longer "American People" but just like the oppressed in Iran and North Korea!
Yes, fortunately we voted out the authoritarian dictator wannabe Trump, and put down his Capitol putsch. Only another week of his failed regime to endure and then the oppression will finally come to an end.
 

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McAleenan cited a series of high-profile shooting incidents, and said 'In our modern age, the continued menace of racially based violent extremism, particularly white supremacist extremism, is an abhorrent affront to the nation, the struggle and unity of its diverse population.'"

Guess he didn't want BLM to think he was talking only about them. Just another loud-mouthed idiot stirring the pot.
 

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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
It was.
When you have ballot dumps in the middle of the night with the nefarious "mail in ballots" it violates the social contract rendering the government illegitimate.
There were no ballot dumps in the middle of the night.... absentee ballots were not processed and counted until the middle of the night.... and the next few nights, it took a while to process, then count them all.

You can't have an absentee ballot without an envelope, an envelope that was processed, including whether it was a legitimate registered voter, and one that put in a request for that mail ballot... in all of the battle ground states, except one, which had election law in their state, that permitted them to mail ballots to registered voters, without a request.


In the Checks and Balance process of elections, the count of how many mail in ballots were processed by the machine, has to match the count of absentee ballot envelopes received.

You can not stuff the ballot count with absentee ballots, nor can you run a ballot through more than once, with both times it counting.....because the total of ballots, would be more than the total of envelopes, and it would be CAUGHT.
And what exactly stops a machine from counting a vote for Trump as a vote for Biden if secretly rigged to do so? When I voted I pushed a series of buttons on a machine and have no way of knowing what the machine actually registered or whether that information was passed on correctly. I expect some proof that my vote was actually counted as intended before I would consider the election legitimate. Why should States have an opportunity to make laws that make it easier for them to cheat? The President elected is supposed to be the President of every one in the Nation so the rules for his election should apply equally to all citizens. But ONLY actual living breathing citizens.

Care4All repeats the same explanation about recounts confirming the totals every day, but she is clearly uninformed about the electronic poll pad voting devices, adjudicated ballots or military ballots. She seems to think every ballot was a bubble-in paper ballot. Like you explained, the poll pad voting is electronic on a digital screen that prints out a paper with a code that is supposed to reflect your choices when it's scanned by the tabulator. And like you said, there's no way for you to know what the code and tabulator actually reported to be your selections. So they can run those printouts till the cows come home and it's going to return the same results. Similarly, military ballots are manually transferred to another ballot sheet by poll workers when received, and the original ballot discarded. So without oversight, that process is rife with potential for fraud. Same with adjudicated ballots, where the ballot scan returns an error, a poll worker determines the voter's "intent" and creates a new ballot that is scannable, at which point the original is discarded (one GA precinct adjudicated over 90% of a batch of 100k+ ballots). Rife with the potential for fraud. But in each case, recounts will result in the same numbers every time. Garbage in, garbage out.
The Trumpets claim the absentee ballots were a fraud....or fraudulently counted twice, or the vote scanners changed hundreds of thousands of votes....

The absentee ballots, the way most democrats voted, when hand counted, matched the scanned machine counts. There was no vote swapping.

Voting in person, is where you primarily have concerns, electronic voting....which for us laymen seems extremely vulnerable, and we have to simply have a blind trust, that both our republican and democratic state legislators approved....knowing their opponents could steal elections from them.... If they are not as secure possible'

Oh, and military absentee ballots are NOT opened and transposed to another ballot.
 

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Your argument has one fallacy. What if half the people do not agree with the other half that there should be a revolt. What percentage of the people makes it legit. The use of violence and vandalism to overthrow the government by violence means is not what they are talking about in a democracy.

Policy is determined by the people voting for those who will represent them in the government . Is it perfect, no but the alternative is not even close to perfect. You can have disagreements but at the end of the day , if you do not have the votes, then you lost. Accepting defeat and planning for the next battle is the best way to get along with others. It is not burned it down and start over. It is not denying the process because you believe what others tell you.

Verifiable facts do matter and convenient what if scenarios just cloud the argument. If people all have rights then that means acceptance that your view did not win. Violence is an easy way to get your point across but it does not stop others from using violence. Peaceful protest is a right but once it turns violent then it is a riot and sedition. It does not change because you are waiving a flag.
Wasn't one of the principles of the democracy experiment supposed to be that political differences were settled at the ballot box not through violence?
True, but also:

Declaration of Independence:
"-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, ..."


Appears that some of the People no longer consent.

"......Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. - "

Losing an election or two doesn't count as a long train of abuses. The mob was incited by Trumpys team's lies echoed by a compliant media, which when you look at it, is a large part of Trumpy's team too.
Bullshit! If we are to maintain our democratic republic then we need integrity in our elections. Stop this shit right now or Democrats will continue to steal elections!

Integrity requires when to know when to accept defeat when there is no proof of such stealing especially when used as a battle cry and promulgated by the one who lost. Barr said it best when his department could not find any widespread fraud. The courts clarified it that they have no case. Thus Trump the man with the least amount of integrity sends his troops in to steal the election for him. After failing miserable in have GA find additional votes to save his presidency.
 

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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
That social contract nonsense again. Break it out and show my signature. Spooner was right all along.
 

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Your argument has one fallacy. What if half the people do not agree with the other half that there should be a revolt. What percentage of the people makes it legit. The use of violence and vandalism to overthrow the government by violence means is not what they are talking about in a democracy.

Policy is determined by the people voting for those who will represent them in the government . Is it perfect, no but the alternative is not even close to perfect. You can have disagreements but at the end of the day , if you do not have the votes, then you lost. Accepting defeat and planning for the next battle is the best way to get along with others. It is not burned it down and start over. It is not denying the process because you believe what others tell you.

Verifiable facts do matter and convenient what if scenarios just cloud the argument. If people all have rights then that means acceptance that your view did not win. Violence is an easy way to get your point across but it does not stop others from using violence. Peaceful protest is a right but once it turns violent then it is a riot and sedition. It does not change because you are waiving a flag.
Wasn't one of the principles of the democracy experiment supposed to be that political differences were settled at the ballot box not through violence?
True, but also:

Declaration of Independence:
"-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, ..."


Appears that some of the People no longer consent.

"......Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. - "

Losing an election or two doesn't count as a long train of abuses. The mob was incited by Trumpys team's lies echoed by a compliant media, which when you look at it, is a large part of Trumpy's team too.
Bullshit! If we are to maintain our democratic republic then we need integrity in our elections. Stop this shit right now or Democrats will continue to steal elections!

Integrity requires when to know when to accept defeat when there is no proof of such stealing especially when used as a battle cry and promulgated by the one who lost. Barr said it best when his department could not find any widespread fraud. The courts clarified it that they have no case. Thus Trump the man with the least amount of integrity sends his troops in to steal the election for him. After failing miserable in have GA find additional votes to save his presidency.

Remind me when it was that anyone elected you Arbiter of Integrity, or even mentioned in passing that your judgement on the subject was noticed or valued?
 

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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
That social contract nonsense again. Break it out and show my signature. Spooner was right all along.

So then I assume you have nothing negative whatsoever to say about what happened at the Capitol, because you deny any responsibility to the social contract for anyone who was born into it after the fact, right? Or do you only claim that you get to do whatever you please?
 

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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
That social contract nonsense again. Break it out and show my signature. Spooner was right all along.

So then I assume you have nothing negative whatsoever to say about what happened at the Capitol, because you deny any responsibility to the social contract for anyone who was born into it after the fact, right? Or do you only claim that you get to do whatever you please?
Generally indifferent regarding what happened. Much like everything else this past year, the response is way overblown.
 
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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
and it was.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe this election was legitimate.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe it wasn't.
Throw out the corrupted mail-in ballots and what result do you get slow in the head boy?
They weren't corrupted..
Then let's look at the signatures in the voter registration log book. Oh, that's right, we can't. Rest my fucking case.
The ballots were gathered, examined, tallied, and certified. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your delusions. Trump lost. Bigly. Get over it and move on.
No they weren't examined--how do I know---because many didn't even have signatures or addresses or were missing other information so there would have been nothing to examine.
and exactly HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT if they were never examined silly one?
How do you examine NOTHING-----------if a ballot doesn't have signature addresses etc--------you can see that NOTHIng is there and therefore it can't be examined for accuracy so ergo the ballots with blank validation areas could not be examined.
" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
It was.
When you have ballot dumps in the middle of the night with the nefarious "mail in ballots" it violates the social contract rendering the government illegitimate.
There were no ballot dumps in the middle of the night.... absentee ballots were not processed and counted until the middle of the night.... and the next few nights, it took a while to process, then count them all.

You can't have an absentee ballot without an envelope, an envelope that was processed, including whether it was a legitimate registered voter, and one that put in a request for that mail ballot... in all of the battle ground states, except one, which had election law in their state, that permitted them to mail ballots to registered voters, without a request.


In the Checks and Balance process of elections, the count of how many mail in ballots were processed by the machine, has to match the count of absentee ballot envelopes received.

You can not stuff the ballot count with absentee ballots, nor can you run a ballot through more than once, with both times it counting.....because the total of ballots, would be more than the total of envelopes, and it would be CAUGHT.
And what exactly stops a machine from counting a vote for Trump as a vote for Biden if secretly rigged to do so? When I voted I pushed a series of buttons on a machine and have no way of knowing what the machine actually registered or whether that information was passed on correctly. I expect some proof that my vote was actually counted as intended before I would consider the election legitimate. Why should States have an opportunity to make laws that make it easier for them to cheat? The President elected is supposed to be the President of every one in the Nation so the rules for his election should apply equally to all citizens. But ONLY actual living breathing citizens.
State legislatures write their election laws, with both democratic and republican legislatures, to make elections, as secure and safe as possible.... machines are audited before elections to make certain they are working correctly.....

Also, the voting machines are not connected to the internet, they are contained within each voting precinct....

And every one of these 6 battleground states gave a printed receipt of your votes for the election that you could check..... if you voted in person..... Trump didn't question the in person voting that you are concerned about, he was a happy camper with those election results because he was way ahead in the election day, in person votes.

In ADDITION, Democrats voted mostly by mail.... and every single ballot is a hand-filled ballot.... there was a paper trail.... and on the recounts requested by president trump, these hand counted absentee ballots, matched the machine scanned counts.....!
I am aware that States write their own election laws which is just as it should be for State elections. But the rules should be the same nationwide for national elections because no one deserves special privileges because of where they live.

The only way a national election would make sense is if it were a popular vote.
The Electoral College was established as part of our system of federalism. The individual states elect our President. Founders didn't want the large states electing the Chief Executive every election cycle. We are a transcontinental nation and we have different concerns in each region.
 

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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
and it was.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe this election was legitimate.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe it wasn't.
Throw out the corrupted mail-in ballots and what result do you get slow in the head boy?
They weren't corrupted..
Then let's look at the signatures in the voter registration log book. Oh, that's right, we can't. Rest my fucking case.
The ballots were gathered, examined, tallied, and certified. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your delusions. Trump lost. Bigly. Get over it and move on.
No they weren't examined--how do I know---because many didn't even have signatures or addresses or were missing other information so there would have been nothing to examine.
and exactly HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT if they were never examined silly one?
How do you examine NOTHING-----------if a ballot doesn't have signature addresses etc--------you can see that NOTHIng is there and therefore it can't be examined for accuracy so ergo the ballots with blank validation areas could not be examined.
" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
It was.
When you have ballot dumps in the middle of the night with the nefarious "mail in ballots" it violates the social contract rendering the government illegitimate.
There were no ballot dumps in the middle of the night.... absentee ballots were not processed and counted until the middle of the night.... and the next few nights, it took a while to process, then count them all.

You can't have an absentee ballot without an envelope, an envelope that was processed, including whether it was a legitimate registered voter, and one that put in a request for that mail ballot... in all of the battle ground states, except one, which had election law in their state, that permitted them to mail ballots to registered voters, without a request.


In the Checks and Balance process of elections, the count of how many mail in ballots were processed by the machine, has to match the count of absentee ballot envelopes received.

You can not stuff the ballot count with absentee ballots, nor can you run a ballot through more than once, with both times it counting.....because the total of ballots, would be more than the total of envelopes, and it would be CAUGHT.
And what exactly stops a machine from counting a vote for Trump as a vote for Biden if secretly rigged to do so? When I voted I pushed a series of buttons on a machine and have no way of knowing what the machine actually registered or whether that information was passed on correctly. I expect some proof that my vote was actually counted as intended before I would consider the election legitimate. Why should States have an opportunity to make laws that make it easier for them to cheat? The President elected is supposed to be the President of every one in the Nation so the rules for his election should apply equally to all citizens. But ONLY actual living breathing citizens.
State legislatures write their election laws, with both democratic and republican legislatures, to make elections, as secure and safe as possible.... machines are audited before elections to make certain they are working correctly.....

Also, the voting machines are not connected to the internet, they are contained within each voting precinct....

And every one of these 6 battleground states gave a printed receipt of your votes for the election that you could check..... if you voted in person..... Trump didn't question the in person voting that you are concerned about, he was a happy camper with those election results because he was way ahead in the election day, in person votes.

In ADDITION, Democrats voted mostly by mail.... and every single ballot is a hand-filled ballot.... there was a paper trail.... and on the recounts requested by president trump, these hand counted absentee ballots, matched the machine scanned counts.....!
I am aware that States write their own election laws which is just as it should be for State elections. But the rules should be the same nationwide for national elections because no one deserves special privileges because of where they live.

The only way a national election would make sense is if it were a popular vote.
The Electoral College was established as part of our system of federalism. The individual states elect our President. Founders didn't want the large states electing the Chief Executive every election cycle. We are a transcontinental nation and we have different concerns in each region.
So why are Trumpists trying to take the certified votes away from the State's and their citizens, and have the federal govt usurp their picked winner, and choose the President for them???

That's what you all are pushing....
 
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" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
and it was.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe this election was legitimate.
Only a blithering nincompoop would believe it wasn't.
Throw out the corrupted mail-in ballots and what result do you get slow in the head boy?
They weren't corrupted..
Then let's look at the signatures in the voter registration log book. Oh, that's right, we can't. Rest my fucking case.
The ballots were gathered, examined, tallied, and certified. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your delusions. Trump lost. Bigly. Get over it and move on.
No they weren't examined--how do I know---because many didn't even have signatures or addresses or were missing other information so there would have been nothing to examine.
and exactly HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT if they were never examined silly one?
How do you examine NOTHING-----------if a ballot doesn't have signature addresses etc--------you can see that NOTHIng is there and therefore it can't be examined for accuracy so ergo the ballots with blank validation areas could not be examined.
" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.
And a duly elected government has a right defend itself from sedition.
If it was legitimately elected.
It was.
When you have ballot dumps in the middle of the night with the nefarious "mail in ballots" it violates the social contract rendering the government illegitimate.
There were no ballot dumps in the middle of the night.... absentee ballots were not processed and counted until the middle of the night.... and the next few nights, it took a while to process, then count them all.

You can't have an absentee ballot without an envelope, an envelope that was processed, including whether it was a legitimate registered voter, and one that put in a request for that mail ballot... in all of the battle ground states, except one, which had election law in their state, that permitted them to mail ballots to registered voters, without a request.


In the Checks and Balance process of elections, the count of how many mail in ballots were processed by the machine, has to match the count of absentee ballot envelopes received.

You can not stuff the ballot count with absentee ballots, nor can you run a ballot through more than once, with both times it counting.....because the total of ballots, would be more than the total of envelopes, and it would be CAUGHT.
And what exactly stops a machine from counting a vote for Trump as a vote for Biden if secretly rigged to do so? When I voted I pushed a series of buttons on a machine and have no way of knowing what the machine actually registered or whether that information was passed on correctly. I expect some proof that my vote was actually counted as intended before I would consider the election legitimate. Why should States have an opportunity to make laws that make it easier for them to cheat? The President elected is supposed to be the President of every one in the Nation so the rules for his election should apply equally to all citizens. But ONLY actual living breathing citizens.
State legislatures write their election laws, with both democratic and republican legislatures, to make elections, as secure and safe as possible.... machines are audited before elections to make certain they are working correctly.....

Also, the voting machines are not connected to the internet, they are contained within each voting precinct....

And every one of these 6 battleground states gave a printed receipt of your votes for the election that you could check..... if you voted in person..... Trump didn't question the in person voting that you are concerned about, he was a happy camper with those election results because he was way ahead in the election day, in person votes.

In ADDITION, Democrats voted mostly by mail.... and every single ballot is a hand-filled ballot.... there was a paper trail.... and on the recounts requested by president trump, these hand counted absentee ballots, matched the machine scanned counts.....!
I am aware that States write their own election laws which is just as it should be for State elections. But the rules should be the same nationwide for national elections because no one deserves special privileges because of where they live.

The only way a national election would make sense is if it were a popular vote.
The Electoral College was established as part of our system of federalism. The individual states elect our President. Founders didn't want the large states electing the Chief Executive every election cycle. We are a transcontinental nation and we have different concerns in each region.
So why are Trumpists trying to take the certified votes away from the State's and their citizens, and have the federal govt usurp their picked winner, and choose the President for them???

That's what you all are pushing....
Because those states violated the Constitution by changing election laws without the consent of the state legislatures as per Constitution, but rather actions of governors and secretary's of states. Soros knew this and put hundreds of millions into state races and lost. Had to be done by executive order by secretary of state's or governors. They rooked it. Have to win states at every level. Communist Democrats understand that in their vision quest to destroy the United States and put in place their ignorant foreign policy of a Disneyland worldview with no enemies the dumb cocksuckers.
 

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Do you see why slavery was bad?

Do you see why racism was bad?

Why segregation was bad?

Why Jim Crow was bad?

Why black Americans continue to FIGHT for our rights and JUSTICE?

You and many other whites in this country need to LEARN to live by your PROCLAIMED values!

SNAP OUT OF IT!!!!!

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