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Like Washington and Jefferson, he championed liberty. Unlike the founders, he freed his slaves

elektra

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Easy to do when you're not a politician and depend on your fellow slave owners for votes~

Nope, he did not free them all at the same time..as that would have led to the very situations that you decried in an earlier post..he planned the releases..and made sure his people were ready for the free world. You see that as a bad thing?
How odd.

Yeah....when Carter started freeing slaves, you might imagine the response...he was ultimately driven from his home...and his emancipation of slaves was repeatably challenged.

Yeah...his family was not of the same mind he was..and kept some slaves..although others were freed as courts recognized the legality of Carter's legacy.

One has to wonder though....why you think somehow, that that diminishes his actions?
You read much into my posts that I do not express. You imply much and state much about me based on you prejudices and stereotypes. Is this simply a OP you use to troll so you can denigrate those who question you?

Fine piece of work you are. Oh, and I found the book. The reviews say it is poorly written, boring, and repetitive with 2 chapters on the topic.
 

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Carter not only gave them homes..he trained them, got them jobs, and helped them stand on their own two feet. If you read the article, you would know this. The descendants of those freed slaves credit Carter with getting them a head start on freedom. Many are professionals, well-off financially. Carter did the right thing..Jefferson and the others used platitudes to salve their consciences--and did nothing..until after their deaths. Jefferson, in particular, was a sleaze...with a slave mistress..and he kept his own children in bondage.


You too..seem to find comfort in those platitudes uttered by Jefferson and others.

Carter showed them, and us, how empty those words were.
Question - When slaves were freed, was it inevitable that they (because of their African culture), had to create their own communities, businesses, and schooling in order to survive in a strange place in which was already developed by the white's, otherwise who had enslaved them until they were freed to do these independent things ??

So who actually held the African Americans at the time back ? Was it the white man or the African culture that was heavily steeped into it's own culture in which the Europeans didn't really understand nor did they care too.
 

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Question - When slaves were freed, was it inevitable that they (because of their African culture), had to create their own communities, businesses, and schooling in order to survive in a strange place in which was already developed by the white's, otherwise who had enslaved them until they were freed to do these independent things ??

So who actually held the African Americans at the time back ? Was it the white man or the African culture that was heavily steeped into it's own culture in which the Europeans didn't really understand nor did they care too.

Those that Jeffereson and the Founders freed and sent back to Africa set themselves up on slave plantations, so I see it's obvious they approved of the Founders' model as worthy of imitation. There is some myth among commies that blacks were opposed to slavery, which is hilariously stupid and the historical record demonstrates the exact opposite.
 

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You read much into my posts that I do not express. You imply much and state much about me based on you prejudices and stereotypes. Is this simply a OP you use to troll so you can denigrate those who question you?

Fine piece of work you are. Oh, and I found the book. The reviews say it is poorly written, boring, and repetitive with 2 chapters on the topic.

'He's never done anything to free anybody, he just wants to bash Whitey and set himself and his stupid premises up as a big moral authority and call anybody who doesn't kiss his ass a racist n stuff if they don't agree with his racist bullshit.
 

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Those that Jeffereson and the Founders freed and sent back to Africa set themselves up on slave plantations, so I see it's obvious they approved of the Founders' model as worthy of imitation. There is some myth among commies that blacks were opposed to slavery, which is hilariously stupid and the historical record demonstrates the exact opposite.
Black's using and mistreating black's ? Who'd a thunk it ??? It's actually a fact in the inner cities still, and in those cases the best "word" to describe those situations, and their usery is that they do it by INTIMIDATION !!!! Otherwise feeding and preying upon the downtrodden, poor, and weak minded.

The victorious and successful black's and white's that care, need to rescue those people big time, and fix the problem's in those areas. Do they see them as unworthy maybe ?? Hmmmmm.
 
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Black's using and mistreating black's ? Who'd a thunk it ??? It's actually a fact in the inner cities still, and in those cases the best "word" to describe those situations, and their usery is that they do it by INTIMIDATION !!!!

African countries were the first to whine about the clause in the League Of Nations charter making the condemnation of slavery a condition for joining. Abolitionism was a white thing, even in Africa.
 

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Those that Jeffereson and the Founders freed and sent back to Africa set themselves up on slave plantations, so I see it's obvious they approved of the Founders' model as worthy of imitation. There is some myth among commies that blacks were opposed to slavery, which is hilariously stupid and the historical record demonstrates the exact opposite.
Wow, and yep it is said that slavery still exist, and still goes on in the world, so it best that people who love freedom stay the hell out of such places, especially if easily enslaved by any method's used back then or now. That's what makes me scratch my head when see the American black's hanging on to the title "AFRICAN AMERICAN". Hear tell it that Africa still uses slavery. Not sure, but I've seen it said.
 

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Wow, and yep it is said that slavery still exist, and still goes on in the world, so it best that people who love freedom stay the hell out of such places, especially if easily enslaved by any method's used back then or now. That's what makes me scratch my head when see the American black's hanging on to the title "AFRICAN AMERICAN". Hear tell it that Africa still uses slavery. Not sure, but I've seen it said.

That's why we know these cretins who run around sniveling about slavery and its very limited history in the U.S. are just liars and phonies; they never ever condemn slavery going on today anywhere, especially in Asia, Africa, India, South America or even Mexico, and we know for dead certain they wouldn't be caught dead risking their own lives rescuing anybody from it, not even from those Asian 'massage parlors' operating all over the U.S. They love the Red Chinese 'business model' and its prison system as well, same as their Wall Street masters do.
 

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So...Jefferson and Washington talked the talk-this man walked the walk:


It was 230 years ago Sunday that Robert Carter III, the patriarch of one of the wealthiest families in Virginia, quietly walked into a Northumberland County courthouse and delivered an airtight legal document announcing his intention to free, or manumit, more than 500 slaves.
He titled it the "deed of gift." It was, by far, experts say, the largest liberation of Black people before President Abraham Lincoln signed the District of Columbia Emancipation Act and Emancipation Proclamation more than seven decades later.
On September 5, 1791, when Carter delivered his deed, slavery was an institution, a key engine of the new country's economy. But many slaveholders -- including founding fathers George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, who knew Carter -- had begun to voice doubts.
That was the extent of their umbrage.
Chattel slavery was wrong, the men said, but they supposedly worried it was not practical to abolish the institution without societal and economic consequences.
"As it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other," Jefferson wrote a fellow politician almost 30 years after Carter's deed of gift.
Yet Carter had provided them a blueprint, not only for freeing their slaves but for ensuring the freedmen could sustain themselves, even prosper and integrate into society. Washington freed his slaves after death. Jefferson freed only 10 people of the hundreds he enslaved.
So, how has this great manumission remained largely unknown outside of a handful of history buffs and the growing body of descendants? There are theories.
Levy, whose books include a biography of Carter, "The First Emancipator," has another suspicion: America doesn't care -- because it's inconvenient.
"It blows an enormous hole in this legacy we're trying to balance for these founders," he said.
As Levy sees it, American history feebly attempts to level the founding fathers' fondness for freedom with their ownership of humans by uncritically parroting their assertions that there was no pragmatic way to emancipate hundreds of thousands of slaves. Slavery was a necessary evil, to hear the founders tell it.
"If Carter is the anti-Jefferson," Levy wrote in his book, "the man who did not lack the will to free his own slaves but who did lack the vision and clarity to make his love of freedom eloquent, then the Deed of Gift is the anti-Declaration of Independence, a document that makes liberty look dull but which is so absent of loopholes and contradictions that no result but liberty could prevail."


Both Washington and Jefferson freed their slaves.

But after their death. Still, it's better than not freeing them.
 

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You, try again...LOL! Thomas J. is referenced in the article as is Washington. He talked anti-slavery..yet only freed 10 slaves out of his 600+.
Washington waited until his death to free his slaves. Neither did squat to help their ex-slaves transition into freedom. You did read the article, right?

What Carter did was singular..no-one did the same--on the same scale-- AFAIK. He freed 500+ slaves..at what would have been seen as a huge financial loss

With no hoopla...no 'agenda' he freed all his slaves..in a manner that could not be challenged legally, and trained and educated his ex-slaves--their descendants, as you know from reading the article--have been very successful, in large part due the start Carter gave them.
And what happened to his slaves---how did they manage to support themselves afterwords with all those evel whites running around? Hmmmm?
 

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And what happened to his slaves---how did they manage to support themselves afterwords with all those evel whites running around? Hmmmm?
At that time, they probably did catch hell trying to make it due to their lack of education, lack of being civilized because they were used as slaves etc. Upon their release, they should have been loaded back upon the ship's, and taken back home to Africa. Problem with that idea though, is that Africa was the place that sold them into slavery. They probably would have been made slaves there or worse would have been killed due to the limited resources that couldn't afford a huge number of people landing on those resources as refugee's back in those times. In fact it was probably the reason they were sold into slavery when it happened, otherwise Africa has a history of population explosions on areas that are strained for resources due to the hostile climate in which covers alot of area on the continent. Drought's, disease, and pestilence are common there. Tribalism is common there, and tribal warfare was common there.

So they decided to stay here after getting their freedom, even though they could have organized and got this country to agree to giving them a boat ride back home. They didn't, because they loved what they saw here in America, and they loved the compassion that they found in Americans who had freed them, so they decided to stay and bring themselves up to a level of acceptance in which they knew that they had within them, so leaving wasn't an option for them anymore, and especially upon them wanting to go back to a place in which had sold them to the world in the first place. Some went or returned to Africa where Liberia was created for them right ? Not exactly sure how that went for them, and I will read up on that when get the chance. Just using common sense mostly when thinking about such things, and taking all things into account when thinking about them.
 

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