Lack Of "Personal Responsibility" - A Code Phrase, Perhaps? Perhaps.

[bucs90]

"What the heck?"

"Just keep walking. Don't make eye contact with him - just keep walking."

Truth sucks sometimes doesn't it. But it explains why some people want ME to pay for the healthcare of their child until he's 27. After all, they are the victim....they were punished by that child being born to them. I have no kids, therefore I was not punished and should help pay for their unfair sentence.

Yes. Sure. Whatever you say . . . .

Nice comeback. Expected more intelligent feedback from a former US Army officer lol or so you say. Now, stop wasting my tax money and get that DMV line moving. Oh, wait, sorry, you guys closed hours ago.

 

[bucs90]

The T, it sure got quiet in here all of a sudden. Maybe someone's punishment needed a diaper change.

Sure it did. Obama's own words came back to haunt them. [But yet they'll defend it nonetheless]. *Watch*

Well, yesterday I had these left wingers defending Bill Ayers, saying although they bombed over 8 police stations, wounded dozens, killed a SFPD Sgt, and ordered an undercover FBI agent to plant bombs and "kill as many Detroit cops as possible", the fact that he never got convicted balanced it all out.

Yeah, they'll surely defend Obama on this one. After all, they believe he sat in Rev. Wrights church for 20 years but tactically closed his ears just before all anti-white, anti-USA rants.

 

[bucs90]

Nah, just the social outlook of our president on the value of an unborn child. I wonder if Michelle considered her two daughters to be a punishment....or if only Barack did?

Looks like rightwinger got bitchslapped.

He still didn't show me the exact quote........I knew he couldn't

Seriously? Thats your response? So, google provides dozens and dozens of links to reputable news sources, discussing that exact quote, and you believe it never happened? FOX, NBC, ABC, CNN, ABC all broadcast it, and it never happened?

Hey, would a YouTube link be enough: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo]YouTube - Obama - I don't want my daughters "punished with a baby"[/ame]

Let me guess: The folks at YouTube hired an Obama look alike, used Hollywood technology to impose his voice onto the look alike, made a phony tape and put up phony CNN graphics, and it's all a conspiracy that fooled everybody.

Man, you are maybe in the top 10 most delusional, zombie-like Obama fanatics I've heard of. But, there it is. Exact quote on YouTube. Or, just google "obama saying daughter punished with child abortion". That will provide a few pages of national links to that story.

Or, I got a big pile of sand you could bury your head in. Either way.

 

[Rambunctious]

Upon entering boot camp I wondered what I was thinking, it was the toughest thing I ever did but I did it and no one can ever take that away.
The things I've learned and seen as a Marine are many, some good and some very bad but I learn from both and except for the loss of dear friends I wouldn't change a day of it.

So you joined the Marines run by the government that helped your family fuck itself up, that makes sense.

Spidey, I'm sure we could have a good time sharing a beer together so don't take this personally..... You're an ass. I joined after 9-11, I defend the constitution and the country not the government.

 

[The T]

The T, it sure got quiet in here all of a sudden. Maybe someone's punishment needed a diaper change.

Sure it did. Obama's own words came back to haunt them. [But yet they'll defend it nonetheless]. *Watch*

Well, yesterday I had these left wingers defending Bill Ayers, saying although they bombed over 8 police stations, wounded dozens, killed a SFPD Sgt, and ordered an undercover FBI agent to plant bombs and "kill as many Detroit cops as possible", the fact that he never got convicted balanced it all out.

Yeah, they'll surely defend Obama on this one. After all, they believe he sat in Rev. Wrights church for 20 years but tactically closed his ears just before all anti-white, anti-USA rants.

Of course. These people are in Denial of the very same people that mean to deny them their liberty. And of course they are still in denial of Obama when he spoke of 'Social Injustice(s)' and the Constitutions' failure to address them...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4duJUDdSd8]YouTube - Obama 2001 Chicago radio interview exposes socialist views[/ame]

[Nevermind that the Founders took Personal Responsibility largely into account when they belived they were speaking for ADULTS]? And they thought that responsible people would keep things in check...

What we have in government now are a bunch of PETULANT Children Hell-Bent on Revenge. They blame everyone but themselves for their station in life by thier choices...You see it every day on the pages of these forums.

Of course NONE of them are willing to admit that Obama *IS* one of those children. For he even mirrors them, and none of these people have the NADS to admit it. For if they did will reveal their OWN failures as responsible members of human society.

Time they 'Manned up', don't you think?

~T

 

[The T]

And to the OP of this thread? Take this thread and shove it up yer ASS.

You are a loser with this tripe. Man up and admit it.

 

[The T]

Can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.

This is the bottom line.

 

[bucs90]

Upon entering boot camp I wondered what I was thinking, it was the toughest thing I ever did but I did it and no one can ever take that away.
The things I've learned and seen as a Marine are many, some good and some very bad but I learn from both and except for the loss of dear friends I wouldn't change a day of it.

So you joined the Marines run by the government that helped your family fuck itself up, that makes sense.

Spidey, I'm sure we could have a good time sharing a beer together so don't take this personally..... You're an ass. I joined after 9-11, I defend the constitution and the country not the government.

Exactly. Those who never carried a gun and wore a bullet proof vest will never understand that. Soldiers and cops take an oath, to defend the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. And they do a helluva job of it, despite the government that funds them.

Its a fact that military and police are one of the few areas the government must fund. There cannot be competing private military, or especially police, both armed, protecting our people. Large training budgets and stable funding from gov't are a must.

My other regret is that liberal, leftist labor unions have rooted into a lot of police departments, making it harder to weed out and fire that 5% of cops who have no business wearing that uniform.

 

[boedicca]

"Personal responsibility" SOUNDS like a great thing to emphasize. Shouldn't everyone be personally repsponsible for their actions (or lack thereof)? One would certainly think so. How could anyone argue against that?

Unfortunately, as used by so many conservatives, "personal responsibility" is nothing more than a code phrase for: "I've got mine - screw you!" "Personal responsibility" seems to be always dragged out by many conservatives whenever the subject of government programs or welfare comes up. "

This is a pretty good example of how Progressive Thought has polluted and twisted the healthy values that made America great nation.

"Personal Responsibility" does not mean "I've got mine - screw you." But thinking that it does mean that is indicative of a value system based on "somebody else has something more than me so GIMME GIMME GIMME".

 

[Avatar4321]

There is a thread out there right now asking what we should do for the children of irresponsible parents who, due to thier own failings, are unable to provide for their own children.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/114407-what-do-we-do-for-the-children-in-need.html

The idea is that, while the parents are irresponsible and therefore undeserving of anything, their children are innocent - so what about them?

And thus, the conservative theme of "personal responsibility," albeit somewhat obliquely, once again rears its ugly head.

"Personal responsibility" SOUNDS like a great thing to emphasize. Shouldn't everyone be personally repsponsible for their actions (or lack thereof)? One would certainly think so. How could anyone argue against that?

Unfortunately, as used by so many conservatives, "personal responsibility" is nothing more than a code phrase for: "I've got mine - screw you!" "Personal responsibility" seems to be always dragged out by many conservatives whenever the subject of government programs or welfare comes up. The recipiants of such programs are vilified as being undeserving of any government aid because, if they had just had some "personal responsiblity," none of this would be necessary.

Of course, the "this" is tax dollars going into the government programs and guess what is REALLY on the mind of those objecting to such programs - hint: it has noting to do with "personal responsibility."

It is SO easy for the "haves" to become morally judgmental toward the "have-nots" when it comes to such things as tax dollars going out to help the have-nots. Sure, there is such a thing as welfare fraud. But there is also such a thing as people who truly need welfare, and it has NOTHING to do with a lack of "personal responsibility."

So let's not be so hard on the "irresponsible" parents of children. It is entirely possible that the parents fall into the classification of those who really are in legitimate need of welfare - a need not caused by any perceived lack of "personal responsibility."

So you want to teach children that you don't have to be responsible for your actions and thus make the problem worse?

The reason personal responsibility is so important is because our actions effect other people. Everything we do in life effects someone to some degree.

First, people have a duty to take care of themselves and their own.

Second, their family has an obligation to help them out to the degree they can.

Then, individuals volunteering in their local community.

If there are still problems the state governments can do as they please to govern the people within their populace and them them.

There is absolutely no need for the Federal Government to do anything. They havent been granted that authority and the power to change a persons life needs to remain as close to them as humanly possible if it's going to be effective.

Stop trying to outsource you're responsibility to DC and get off your butt and get to work.

 

[George Costanza]

"Personal responsibility" SOUNDS like a great thing to emphasize. Shouldn't everyone be personally repsponsible for their actions (or lack thereof)? One would certainly think so. How could anyone argue against that?

Unfortunately, as used by so many conservatives, "personal responsibility" is nothing more than a code phrase for: "I've got mine - screw you!" "Personal responsibility" seems to be always dragged out by many conservatives whenever the subject of government programs or welfare comes up. "

This is a pretty good example of how Progressive Thought has polluted and twisted the healthy values that made America great nation.

"Personal Responsibility" does not mean "I've got mine - screw you." But thinking that it does mean that is indicative of a value system based on "somebody else has something more than me so GIMME GIMME GIMME".

I have seen many people who piously go on about the lack of personal responsibility on the part of welfare recipients which, of course, means that they should not be receiving anything. Heck, there are a number of posts to that effect on this very thread.

Of course, the logical extension of "people on welfare should not be receiving anything because they are only there due to a lack of personal responsibility" is, that the person doing the talking then does not have to pay as much to help support the person(s) on welfare.

And guess who the people are who are griping about a lack of personal responsibility? They sure as heck aren't the people in line for welfare. So where does that leave us?

You can disagree all you want, but I submit that what I said in the OP and in the thread title is totally correct.

I remember seeing a cartoon when I was in college. It shows this fat cat, wealthy fellow, sitting in the library of his mansion, having an afternoon cocktail with his matronly and elegantly dressed wife. As he lifts his glass, he says: "By God, Mildred, you'll never see ME on welfare." Pretty easy for him to say.

 

[boedicca]

The only people I know who complain about Personal Responsibility are those who are unwilling to be responsible.

 

[jillian]

There is a thread out there right now asking what we should do for the children of irresponsible parents who, due to thier own failings, are unable to provide for their own children.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/114407-what-do-we-do-for-the-children-in-need.html

The idea is that, while the parents are irresponsible and therefore undeserving of anything, their children are innocent - so what about them?

And thus, the conservative theme of "personal responsibility," albeit somewhat obliquely, once again rears its ugly head.

"Personal responsibility" SOUNDS like a great thing to emphasize. Shouldn't everyone be personally repsponsible for their actions (or lack thereof)? One would certainly think so. How could anyone argue against that?

Unfortunately, as used by so many conservatives, "personal responsibility" is nothing more than a code phrase for: "I've got mine - screw you!" "Personal responsibility" seems to be always dragged out by many conservatives whenever the subject of government programs or welfare comes up. The recipiants of such programs are vilified as being undeserving of any government aid because, if they had just had some "personal responsiblity," none of this would be necessary.

Of course, the "this" is tax dollars going into the government programs and guess what is REALLY on the mind of those objecting to such programs - hint: it has noting to do with "personal responsibility."

It is SO easy for the "haves" to become morally judgmental toward the "have-nots" when it comes to such things as tax dollars going out to help the have-nots. Sure, there is such a thing as welfare fraud. But there is also such a thing as people who truly need welfare, and it has NOTHING to do with a lack of "personal responsibility."

So let's not be so hard on the "irresponsible" parents of children. It is entirely possible that the parents fall into the classification of those who really are in legitimate need of welfare - a need not caused by any perceived lack of "personal responsibility."

I would opine that there are those who think anyone 'in need' is at fault. And certainly a good portion of the 'personal responsibility' mantra is as you say. Some of it is legitimate, I think. And for others, I think it's code for 'you need to be punished' for whatever perceived wrong was done.

 

[George Costanza]

The only people I know who complain about Personal Responsibility are those who are unwilling to be responsible.

Such as welfare recipients?

 

[George Costanza]

There is a thread out there right now asking what we should do for the children of irresponsible parents who, due to thier own failings, are unable to provide for their own children.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/114407-what-do-we-do-for-the-children-in-need.html

The idea is that, while the parents are irresponsible and therefore undeserving of anything, their children are innocent - so what about them?

And thus, the conservative theme of "personal responsibility," albeit somewhat obliquely, once again rears its ugly head.

"Personal responsibility" SOUNDS like a great thing to emphasize. Shouldn't everyone be personally repsponsible for their actions (or lack thereof)? One would certainly think so. How could anyone argue against that?

Unfortunately, as used by so many conservatives, "personal responsibility" is nothing more than a code phrase for: "I've got mine - screw you!" "Personal responsibility" seems to be always dragged out by many conservatives whenever the subject of government programs or welfare comes up. The recipiants of such programs are vilified as being undeserving of any government aid because, if they had just had some "personal responsiblity," none of this would be necessary.

Of course, the "this" is tax dollars going into the government programs and guess what is REALLY on the mind of those objecting to such programs - hint: it has noting to do with "personal responsibility."

It is SO easy for the "haves" to become morally judgmental toward the "have-nots" when it comes to such things as tax dollars going out to help the have-nots. Sure, there is such a thing as welfare fraud. But there is also such a thing as people who truly need welfare, and it has NOTHING to do with a lack of "personal responsibility."

So let's not be so hard on the "irresponsible" parents of children. It is entirely possible that the parents fall into the classification of those who really are in legitimate need of welfare - a need not caused by any perceived lack of "personal responsibility."

I would opine that there are those who think anyone 'in need' is at fault. And certainly a good portion of the 'personal responsibility' mantra is as you say. Some of it is legitimate, I think. And for others, I think it's code for 'you need to be punished' for whatever perceived wrong was done.

Agree. I think there are two facets to this whole thing. There is the moral aspect. For some reason, many of the people who seek to ascribe moral blame to the less fortunate, are the type of people who generallly seem to enjoy being cruel to those perceived as being "lesser than" themselves or different from themselves - you know, the same kind of people who would deny something to others simply because they disagree with whatever it is, even though it did not harm them in the least.

Then there is the practical aspect, which I sought to address in the OP - the fewer people on welfare, the fewer tax dollars have to go toward welfare and the more money they get to keep. "I've got mine - screw you."

 

[boedicca]

Not all welfare recipients complain about personal responsibility. Some do see it as a last resort and wish to return to a position of self- sufficiency.

Your OP is just a whinging screed that glorifies need and demonizes those who are productive.

Personal Responsibility is not a code phrase - it is exactly what it means in plain English to those of us who value it. Only those who don't try to twist it into something ugly.

 

[George Costanza]

Not all welfare recipients complain about personal responsibility. Some do see it as a last resort and wish to return to a position of self- sufficiency.

Your OP is just a whinging screed that glorifies need and demonizes those who are productive.

Personal Responsibility is not a good phrase - it is exactly what it means in plain English to those of us who value it. Only those who don't try to twist it into something ugly.

I would opine you won't see ANY welfare recipients talking about their own lack of personal responsibility.

Look - I'm sure there are lots of welfare recipients who are on welfare precisely because of a lack of responsibility. I'm not saying that doesn't happen. But people can dig themselves into holes they simply cannot get out of due to a lack of responsibility. Just because if was a lack of responsibility that got them there originally, doesn't mean they should not be provided benefits if it is otherwise too late for them.

Consider the young person who irresponsibly avoids education, making it impossible for him/her to find any kind of meaningful employment as an adult. Such a person can, because of additional factors (ill health, victim of crime, accidental injury, disability) find himself in a position where his only hope is welfare. Is that person on welfare because of a lack of personal responsibility? Yes. Should he therefore be denied benefits? No.

Welfare frauds should be rooted out and prosecuted. People who are otherwise able to support themselves but who are receiving welfare benefits are not exhibiting a lack of personal responsibility - they are criminals.

Like it or not, however, there are such things as legitimate welfare recipients. And there are also such things as people who would attack these legitimate welfare recipients as "lacking personal responsibility." Such people are, simply, wrong.

 

[boedicca]

What you are not considering is how the welfare system itself enables the irresponsible attitudes that make people who could have done better for themselves into government dependents.

 

[Avatar4321]

And guess who the people are who are griping about a lack of personal responsibility? They sure as heck aren't the people in line for welfare. So where does that leave us?

Well, did you ever stop to that maybe they aren't in the welfare lines because they have a strong sense of personal responsibility? Maybe you had it too you wouldn't be in line.

 

[jillian]

Show me

Isn't that the State motto for Missouri?

Nah, just the social outlook of our president on the value of an unborn child. I wonder if Michelle considered her two daughters to be a punishment....or if only Barack did?

thanks for validating why normal people think you guys are so laughable.