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Kyle Rittenhouse should be awarded a congressional medal...

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As long as you don't let your kid go, you won't have to find out if it would have happened sitting in his bedroon, but mot everybody else can predict. Being stuped, irresponsible and placing him at the scene is what started it. for the kid. And, yes, it was wrong.

We can say that if he had not been there then it wouldn’t have happened. But saying that his presense there caused it to happen is something else entirely.

His presense there is not what caused it, Rosenbaum’s attack is what caused it.
 

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The Media divide over this kid...Is he a hero? A terrorist? An idiot?
I go with idiot. He got his sisters boyfriend to do a straw purchase for an AR-15 without thinking about it being illegal. Then he took that gun across state lines.

Only an idiot or a terrorist does that. And I give him the benefit of the doubt.
 

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We can say that if he had not been there then it wouldn’t have happened. But saying that his presense there caused it to happen is something else entirely.

His presense there is not what caused it, Rosenbaum’s attack is what caused it.
Not much different. How many others were shot that night? He should not have gone or been taken. Did any of the ones that brought him, shoot anybody or even discharge their weapons? I didn't hear about it. What was the difference? His presence set into play a whole new set of variables, they and that kid never understood, youth, immaturity, inability to understand what he was getting himself into, lack of training, bad judgement, the wrong weapon for the job that stuck out like a sore thumb, for all the wrong people to see, in the hands of a scared kid by himself, irresponsibility of low bred adults that did not look out for him and indeed left him on his own. Any of them end up in a hospital. No. I think they kept themselves safe. They sure didn't give a damn about the kid, when it was time to scoot. More bad judgement on the kid's part. You got to know who you can depend on, and he sure couldn't depend on those guys. Again, I am not blaming the kid for shooting. If I saw him attacked, I would have shot them too, but from half a block away. That is what an AR-15 with a 16" barrel is really good for. At three feet a 9mm is much better and if you have it instead, it doesn't stand out and make you a target, especially holstered. At least three different people identified him as a target of opportunity, alone, at night. It is a wonder he came through it alive. Just dumb luck. God smiled on the kid, that night.
 

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Not much different.

It’s completely different. If his mere presence was the catalyst then so was Rosenbaum’s. Yet, in Rosenbaum’s case, you will only go as far as to say he shouldn’t have been there while at the same time you’ve written entire paragraphs on why Rittenhouse shouldn’t have been there.

It’s like I said before, it’s like saying no one should have been there but Kyle shouldn’t have been there even more. As if, by virtue of his age, he should have made himself even more absent than Rosenbaum.
How many others were shot that night?

How many others were attacked?
He should not have gone or been taken. Did any of the ones that brought him, shoot anybody or even discharge their weapons?

Were they attacked?
I didn't hear about it. What was the difference?

Kyle was attacked.

See how we keep coming back to that?
His presence set into play a whole new set of variables,

In that case, so did Rosenbaum’s. For that matter, so did the creation of a riot. A riot marked by looting, vandalism and arson, none of which Rittenhouse was responsible for.
they and that kid never understood, youth, immaturity, inability to understand what he was getting himself into, lack of training, bad judgement, the wrong weapon for the job that stuck out like a sore thumb, for all the wrong people to see, in the hands of a scared kid by himself, irresponsibility of low bred adults that did not look out for him and indeed left him on his own. Any of them end up in a hospital. No. I think they kept themselves safe. They sure didn't give a damn about the kid, when it was time to scoot. More bad judgement on the kid's part. You got to know who you can depend on, and he sure couldn't depend on those guys. Again, I am not blaming the kid for shooting. If I saw him attacked, I would have shot them too, but from half a block away. That is what an AR-15 with a 16" barrel is really good for. At three feet a 9mm is much better and if you have it instead, it doesn't stand out and make you a target, especially holstered. At least three different people identified him as a target of opportunity, alone, at night. It is a wonder he came through it alive. Just dumb luck. God smiled on the kid, that night.

So now you’re saying the AR-15 was a factor? If he had shot and killed these guys with a pistol, would that have made a difference? Would you be saying “Thank goodness he didn’t kill them with an AR”?
 

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National problem. But so are the white supremacists, the militias, the boogalu bois and other that are better organized and more apt to bring guns to the party than the average BLM. Based on experience, BLM more likely to fund raise, send people to organize locally for what is supposedly a day rally, but often turns into a night riot, but these other groups come highly armed, showing their weapons in public, and scare the crap out of normal people not used to weapons, or people who like to flash them. They are their worst PR. Also, they are the ones that have stormed state houses, inside, plotted to kidnap a governor, and were supported by Trump. I understand you Have to let people demonstrate, to an extent.
I don't even understand why they put up with it after dark. Certainly do not see why they would tolerate supposed autonomous zones. Never knew or will understand why, (if not able to control the situation) they don't request more support through their Governors of National Guard and let them operate. These idiot local and state politicians (especially Governors) do everything wrong, with their law enforcement and their national guard troops if they even let them in to operate. They should be closing down the protests by 4:00 and everybody back off the streets by 5:00 pr earlier if it gets dark earlier. I mean everybody, all BLM, ANTIFA, local supporters, the casually curious, all the militia and any other armed civilians and lock it all down before dark, no people, no cars, nobody, nothing moves. After dark the law enforcement and/or Guard are the friendlies and anybody on the street not in the same uniform, reporting and directly under the control of the authorities are the unfriendlies. No sorting out the good the bad and the ugly after dark, if they are there, they get arrested, as forcefully as necessary. If some get hurt, it won't really matter as not supposed to be there and were told, no exceptions and no rush to process them out, during follow-on protests in the following day or days. If caught out, you don't get to play in the protests until the circus come back to town. It might take weeks to determine if those arrested on the streets after dark are a continuing threat to local order. The only noncombatants are the ones in their homes. I would allow credentialed press, but not mounted in vehicle unless traveling with official escort.


You should read up on that kidnapping governor plot. It could be quite educational for you.
 

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It’s completely different. If his mere presence was the catalyst then so was Rosenbaum’s. Yet, in Rosenbaum’s case, you will only go as far as to say he shouldn’t have been there while at the same time you’ve written entire paragraphs on why Rittenhouse shouldn’t have been there.

It’s like I said before, it’s like saying no one should have been there but Kyle shouldn’t have been there even more. As if, by virtue of his age, he should have made himself even more absent than Rosenbaum.


How many others were attacked?


Were they attacked?


Kyle was attacked.

See how we keep coming back to that?


In that case, so did Rosenbaum’s. For that matter, so did the creation of a riot. A riot marked by looting, vandalism and arson, none of which Rittenhouse was responsible for.


So now you’re saying the AR-15 was a factor? If he had shot and killed these guys with a pistol, would that have made a difference? Would you be saying “Thank goodness he didn’t kill them with an AR”?
I don't actually know who Rosenbaum is. Yes, you mention it a few times, but I haven't actually tried to look up the reference, not even sure if asking my search engine, "who is Rosenbaum" would clue me in. Sound like a skinny little Jewish lawyer in a nice suit and maybe dark rimmed glasses arguing before a court, but probably not.

I spent some time (by training and assignment) investigating things like safety, accidents and missing material. I was always fascinated by chains of events and setups that allowed things to happen, or prevented things from happening. I look at things in a very proscribed manner. Not surprising, you look at them differently.

I have an AR-15 (very proud of the job I did, building it on a first build) and am very familiar with them by training and experience and understand the appearance they present to the straights and there is not denying the psychologic effect on civilian observers. Looking very much like the assault type weapon of similar design, it attracts attention and should. It is perfect for targets typically 50 meters to 350 meters. It is hard to conceal on the streets. If looking to intimidate the uninitiated it's great, yet it attracts attention like a gun jeep with crew served weapons in a group of small SUVs and grocery getters. In masses of people so armed, it is formidable and looks it. Due to TV and movies, some dumb asses might think disarming somebody by themselves, armed with one is an attractive doable thing, especially a kid. It's not, as three of them found out too late that night, yet they were attracted to the one by himself with the highly visible weapon. More idiots for the setting of the chain of events.

I'm a 9mm service size pistol guy. You won't notice it on the streets at night, attracting little or no attention whatsoever, holstered beneath my shirt or jacket, unless looking for it in the light. Yet it is perfect for encounters at very close range and out to 50 meters or more. Nobody, but nobody envisioned the car lot the kid was guarding assaulted from the streets by people armed with assault style rifles from 25 or 50 meters out to the street, nor did any defenders or rioters think they would need to make that that type of assault or defense. Unless you wanted to carry it for intimidation purposes, it was not the right tool for the anticipated job, and yet, people that carry them on the streets deny they are carrying the for the purpose of intimidation. They are lying cucks. Yes a lone kid, armed with a highly visible assault looking style weapon played a part. Caused it? Oh, hell no. But contributed.

I guess, by now we are not ever going to agree on any of the background issues leading the chain of events, only agreeing the kid was found innocents, so by definition is indisputably innocent of any criminality. Yet he bears a lot of responsibility, as do every adult that had anything to do with having him there or not preventing him being there, in a highly fluid, dangerous environment of the lawless asshole nighttime rioters. NO. We don't need to intentionally arm the kids and put them on the streets to protect our business interests.
 

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I don't actually know who Rosenbaum is. Yes, you mention it a few times, but I haven't actually tried to look up the reference, not even sure if asking my search engine, "who is Rosenbaum" would clue me in. Sound like a skinny little Jewish lawyer in a nice suit and maybe dark rimmed glasses arguing before a court, but probably not.

Rosenbaum was the first guy Kyle shot. He had been released from a mental hospital earlier that day and instead of going home, he went to participate in the riots.

Forgive me if you already know any of this but let me give you a quick synopsis.

Rosenbaum and a group he was with started a fire in a dumpster and, as I understand it, were pushing the dumpster in the direction of a police car.
Kyle grabbed an extinguisher and put out the fire and this enraged Rosenbaum. He threatened to kill Rittenhouse and began chasing him. He chased Rittenhouse and they ended up in the parking lot of a dealership or service center (not sure which it was). As they entered the parking lot some idiot fired his pistol in the air which I’m sure exacerbated the situation.
Kyle found himself cornered by some parked cars and the building and turned around. When he did, Rosenbaum was right there and tried to grab Kyle’s gun. Fearing for his life, Kyle fired.
I spent some time (by training and assignment) investigating things like safety, accidents and missing material. I was always fascinated by chains of events and setups that allowed things to happen, or prevented things from happening. I look at things in a very proscribed manner. Not surprising, you look at them differently.

I understand what you’re talking about. In the industry I work in we have what’s called a “Root Cause Analysis” anytime there’s an accident or incident. As the name suggests, you work backwards to find all the oversights and mistakes that ultimately lead you to root cause.

However, when investigating an accident, you determine the actions and inactions that should not have taken place as per safety rules and established procedures.

The difference here is that, while we might question the judgment of Kyle’s parents to allow him to go to Kenosha, his presence there was not illegal or immoral. He had every right to be there, even armed with an AR-15.
I have an AR-15 (very proud of the job I did, building it on a first build) and am very familiar with them by training and experience and understand the appearance they present to the straights and there is not denying the psychologic effect on civilian observers. Looking very much like the assault type weapon of similar design, it attracts attention and should. It is perfect for targets typically 50 meters to 350 meters. It is hard to conceal on the streets. If looking to intimidate the uninitiated it's great, yet it attracts attention like a gun jeep with crew served weapons in a group of small SUVs and grocery getters. In masses of people so armed, it is formidable and looks it. Due to TV and movies, some dumb asses might think disarming somebody by themselves, armed with one is an attractive doable thing, especially a kid. It's not, as three of them found out too late that night, yet they were attracted to the one by himself with the highly visible weapon. More idiots for the setting of the chain of events.

I don’t believe Kyle was targeted because of his weapon. The only reason he was attacked was because he put out some whacko’s arson fire.

As for Huber and Grosskreutz and the others supposedly trying to stop him, to begin with, they had no idea what was going on. They didn’t know Rittenhouse was an active shooter, they just assumed he was. Secondly, they went about it all wrong. You and others make much of Kyle not being trained but Grosskreutz, Huber and the others were not trained to take down an active shooter and as a result, they just looked like an angry mob trying to beat the shit out of somebody. Further, they looked just like the angry mob that tried to assault him just minutes before from which he had just had to shoot his way out of.
I'm a 9mm service size pistol guy. You won't notice it on the streets at night, attracting little or no attention whatsoever, holstered beneath my shirt or jacket, unless looking for it in the light. Yet it is perfect for encounters at very close range and out to 50 meters or more. Nobody, but nobody envisioned the car lot the kid was guarding assaulted from the streets by people armed with assault style rifles from 25 or 50 meters out to the street, nor did any defenders or rioters think they would need to make that that type of assault or defense. Unless you wanted to carry it for intimidation purposes, it was not the right tool for the anticipated job, and yet, people that carry them on the streets deny they are carrying the for the purpose of intimidation. They are lying cucks. Yes a lone kid, armed with a highly visible assault looking style weapon played a part. Caused it? Oh, hell no. But contributed.

I guess, by now we are not ever going to agree on any of the background issues leading the chain of events, only agreeing the kid was found innocents, so by definition is indisputably innocent of any criminality. Yet he bears a lot of responsibility, as do every adult that had anything to do with having him there or not preventing him being there, in a highly fluid, dangerous environment of the lawless asshole nighttime rioters. NO. We don't need to intentionally arm the kids and put them on the streets to protect our business interests.

I don’t like it any more than you do but I’ve been saying that something like this was inevitable due to the fact that law enforcement and city leaders too often didn’t want to do anything to stop the looting and burning.
 

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Rosenbaum was the first guy Kyle shot. He had been released from a mental hospital earlier that day and instead of going home, he went to participate in the riots.

Forgive me if you already know any of this but let me give you a quick synopsis.

Rosenbaum and a group he was with started a fire in a dumpster and, as I understand it, were pushing the dumpster in the direction of a police car.
Kyle grabbed an extinguisher and put out the fire and this enraged Rosenbaum. He threatened to kill Rittenhouse and began chasing him. He chased Rittenhouse and they ended up in the parking lot of a dealership or service center (not sure which it was). As they entered the parking lot some idiot fired his pistol in the air which I’m sure exacerbated the situation.
Kyle found himself cornered by some parked cars and the building and turned around. When he did, Rosenbaum was right there and tried to grab Kyle’s gun. Fearing for his life, Kyle fired.


I understand what you’re talking about. In the industry I work in we have what’s called a “Root Cause Analysis” anytime there’s an accident or incident. As the name suggests, you work backwards to find all the oversights and mistakes that ultimately lead you to root cause.

However, when investigating an accident, you determine the actions and inactions that should not have taken place as per safety rules and established procedures.

The difference here is that, while we might question the judgment of Kyle’s parents to allow him to go to Kenosha, his presence there was not illegal or immoral. He had every right to be there, even armed with an AR-15.


I don’t believe Kyle was targeted because of his weapon. The only reason he was attacked was because he put out some whacko’s arson fire.

As for Huber and Grosskreutz and the others supposedly trying to stop him, to begin with, they had no idea what was going on. They didn’t know Rittenhouse was an active shooter, they just assumed he was. Secondly, they went about it all wrong. You and others make much of Kyle not being trained but Grosskreutz, Huber and the others were not trained to take down an active shooter and as a result, they just looked like an angry mob trying to beat the shit out of somebody. Further, they looked just like the angry mob that tried to assault him just minutes before from which he had just had to shoot his way out of.


I don’t like it any more than you do but I’ve been saying that something like this was inevitable due to the fact that law enforcement and city leaders too often didn’t want to do anything to stop the looting and burning.
I didn't know his name was Rosenbaum, but knew one of the ones shot had gotten out of a mental hospital. Attacking some kid that has an AR-15 or any other weapon sounds typical of somebody from a mental hospital. Those other two weren't functioning on all cylinders either. I am glad they did not, but if you are going to try to disarm somebody, armed with an AR-15, it is best done from distance. Cops or military would not walk up to him, probably put him down instead and again from as far away as possible. The kid was lucky. Still totally irresponsible and wrong to go, along with having totally irresponsible parents, and going to the riot with totally irresponsible people. Not surprising how he would get into a mess like that, having to shoot his way out, as all that kind of crap in one event often turns out bad. The only surprise is him getting out alive, by sheer dumb luck.
 

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