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Kurt Schlichter proposes a reasoned compromise on gun control with the democrats.........

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Again- for every intruder killed, there were 39.3 suicides, 2.7 homicides (domestic) and 1 accident. That's how you got to the 43-1 ratio. A gun in the home made a bad situation worse, not better.

What about every intruder who was shot and didn't die?
Every intruder who was detained until the police arrived?
Every intruder who fled instead of killing or raping someone in the house?
 

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What about every intruder who was shot and didn't die?
Every intruder who was detained until the police arrived?
Every intruder who fled instead of killing or raping someone in the house?

What about the person who got shot, but didn't die?
What about the person who threatened suicide with a gun and his family had to beg him to stop.
What about the domestic abuser who threatened his family with a gun?
What about the crazy neighbor who points his shotgun at kids who play on his lawn?

I'm only discussing those incidents that had dead bodies.

VERY FEW criminals are killed by civilians with guns in self-defense. According to the FBI, only about 200 a year.

Meanwhile we have 20,000 murders and 23,000 suicides.

So doing a cost benefit analysis, it just wouldn't be worth it.
 

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What about the person who got shot, but didn't die?
What about the person who threatened suicide with a gun and his family had to beg him to stop.
What about the domestic abuser who threatened his family with a gun?
What about the crazy neighbor who points his shotgun at kids who play on his lawn?

I'm only discussing those incidents that had dead bodies.

VERY FEW criminals are killed by civilians with guns in self-defense. According to the FBI, only about 200 a year.

Meanwhile we have 20,000 murders and 23,000 suicides.

So doing a cost benefit analysis, it just wouldn't be worth it.

What about the person who got shot, but didn't die?

Yes. Intruder breaks in to kill me, I shoot them and they go to the hospital.
I wasn't shot or killed with my own gun.
How does that fit with the fake 43 times statistic?

What about the domestic abuser who threatened his family with a gun?

What about the domestic abuser who threatened his family and had to be stopped with a gun?

What about the crazy neighbor who points his shotgun at kids who play on his lawn?

Does that fit under the fake 43 times stat?

I'm only discussing those incidents that had dead bodies.

That's why you end up undercounting the benefit.

VERY FEW criminals are killed by civilians with guns in self-defense.

OK. How many are stopped from raping or murdering someone, because a civilian had a gun?

Meanwhile we have 20,000 murders and 23,000 suicides.

Ok.

So doing a cost benefit analysis, it just wouldn't be worth it.

What was the cost? What was the benefit?
 

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I would like to know when we had 20000 murders a year?
 

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Yes. Intruder breaks in to kill me, I shoot them and they go to the hospital.
I wasn't shot or killed with my own gun.
How does that fit with the fake 43 times statistic?

It doesn't.

Neither does the abusive husband who threatens his family with his guns every day.

Just talking about a clearly measurable metric... how many people die from guns and under what circumstances.
 

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2020. Try to keep up.
so lots of dead black men and you arent screaming for democrats heads for their piss poor leadership? How about BLM?
 

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Um, if someone is dead in a house, and he has a bullet hole in him, it's pretty easy to conclude there was a gun in the home.

Again- for every intruder killed, there were 39.3 suicides, 2.7 homicides (domestic) and 1 accident. That's how you got to the 43-1 ratio. A gun in the home made a bad situation worse, not better.

Kellerman refused to turn over his data….refused to show if the gun was in the home or brought in by the attacker…

Kellerman retracted his first study, the 43:1 study and then still used the same flawed methods to get the 2:1 number…. You know this, having been corrected over and over again on this
 
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2020. Try to keep up.

Yes….after 5 years of the democrats making war on the police and ramping up the release of violent gun criminals back into black neighborhoods…

Up to 2015 our gun murder rate was going down, not up…..it was do n 49%….our gun crime rate was going down too….down 75% going into 2015… then the democrats began their prolonged and concentrated attacks on local police…..forcing them to stop doing their jobs….and causing massive retirements and quitting

They also put in place judges and prosecutors who refuse to press charges against gun offenders, and ho release violent, repeat gun offenders on no cash bail, and who give light sentences for the most violent gun offenders

But those are facts, truth and reality…

We don’t have a gun problem…we have a major problem with the democrat party increasing crime and murder in the cities they control
 
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Up to 2015 our gun murder rate was going down, not up…..it was do n 49%….our gun crime rate was going down too….down 75% going into 2015…

Our gun murder rate was not going down before 2015. In fact, between 2000 and 2014, it stayed pretty flat, around 11K-12K a year. Then after 2015, it shot up? Not surprisingly, not soon after the Heller and McDonald decisions struck down most of the sensible gun laws.

2020: 19,384
2019: 14,389
2018: 13,958
2017: 14,542
2016: 14,415
2015: 12,974
2014: 11,008
2013: 11,207
2012: 11,6223
2011: 11,068
2010: 11,0783
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,801
1999: 10,828
1998: 9,2573

then the democrats began their prolonged and concentrated attacks on local police…..forcing them to stop doing their jobs….and causing massive retirements and quitting

Uh, sorry, man the cops have no obligation to protect you. This is actually black letter law.

Crime is going up because we've saturated our streets with guns. Nothing more, nothing less.

They also put in place judges and prosecutors who refuse to press charges against gun offenders, and ho release violent, repeat gun offenders on no cash bail, and who give light sentences for the most violent gun offenders

We lock up 2 million people. If locking people up were a solution, we'd be there by now. The judges have to let the penny-ante gun possession beefs off because they don't have jail cells to put these guys in. They don't have guards to guard them.
 
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Our gun murder rate was not going down before 2015. In fact, between 2000 and 2014, it stayed pretty flat, around 11K-12K a year. Then after 2015, it shot up? Not surprisingly, not soon after the Heller and McDonald decisions struck down most of the sensible gun laws.

2020: 19,384
2019: 14,389
2018: 13,958
2017: 14,542
2016: 14,415
2015: 12,974
2014: 11,008
2013: 11,207
2012: 11,6223
2011: 11,068
2010: 11,0783
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,801
1999: 10,828
1998: 9,2573



Uh, sorry, man the cops have no obligation to protect you. This is actually black letter law.

Crime is going up because we've saturated our streets with guns. Nothing more, nothing less.



We lock up 2 million people. If locking people up were a solution, we'd be there by now. The judges have to let the penny-ante gun possession beefs off because they don't have jail cells to put these guys in. They don't have guards to guard them.


Wrong.....you didn't take into account population growth....

again...Pew...you know, Pew...the research group?

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.
 
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Our gun murder rate was not going down before 2015. In fact, between 2000 and 2014, it stayed pretty flat, around 11K-12K a year. Then after 2015, it shot up? Not surprisingly, not soon after the Heller and McDonald decisions struck down most of the sensible gun laws.

2020: 19,384
2019: 14,389
2018: 13,958
2017: 14,542
2016: 14,415
2015: 12,974
2014: 11,008
2013: 11,207
2012: 11,6223
2011: 11,068
2010: 11,0783
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,801
1999: 10,828
1998: 9,2573



Uh, sorry, man the cops have no obligation to protect you. This is actually black letter law.

Crime is going up because we've saturated our streets with guns. Nothing more, nothing less.



We lock up 2 million people. If locking people up were a solution, we'd be there by now. The judges have to let the penny-ante gun possession beefs off because they don't have jail cells to put these guys in. They don't have guards to guard them.


Crime is going up because the slave rapist party that you vote for, the democrat party, wants to destroy local police forces, and they are releasing the most violent criminals over and over again, and they are implementing policies to let violent criminals out of jail and prison........
 

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Democrats believe in truth over facts, remember? And they make up their own truths and please do not challenge their preferred truth with provable facts.

According to the CDC, there were 19,384 gun homicides in the US out of 24,756 homicides total.

Happy to have helped you out there, you were looking a little dopey.


So why did the gun homicide rate shoot up? Well, as I always say, most gun violence is domestic. You lock up half the country in their homes, getting on each other's nerves even more than they usually do, and put a gun in that mix, you are going to have problems.
 
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Our gun murder rate was not going down before 2015. In fact, between 2000 and 2014, it stayed pretty flat, around 11K-12K a year. Then after 2015, it shot up? Not surprisingly, not soon after the Heller and McDonald decisions struck down most of the sensible gun laws.

2020: 19,384
2019: 14,389
2018: 13,958
2017: 14,542
2016: 14,415
2015: 12,974
2014: 11,008
2013: 11,207
2012: 11,6223
2011: 11,068
2010: 11,0783
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,801
1999: 10,828
1998: 9,2573



Uh, sorry, man the cops have no obligation to protect you. This is actually black letter law.

Crime is going up because we've saturated our streets with guns. Nothing more, nothing less.



We lock up 2 million people. If locking people up were a solution, we'd be there by now. The judges have to let the penny-ante gun possession beefs off because they don't have jail cells to put these guys in. They don't have guards to guard them.


When the democrat party let's the most violent criminal back out...that isn't keeping them locked up....and when democrat party prosecutors and judges are now refusing to prosecute criminals caught on video shooting at people....that is the problem...not guns or gun owners.
 

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