keys to the kingdom

[hobelim]

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people who have fought against Jerusalem: their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Humans can't predict the future. When the most lethal weapon known to man was a sword, Zechariah told us that we would develop a weapon to do this:

THE WEAPON WAS A DIVINE COMMAND MORE DEVASTATING THAN A NUCLEAR BOMB

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. WHEN THEY HAVE DRUNK IT THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

Jesus dropped that bomb over 2000 years ago and the abomination that causes desolation continues.



HE WHO LEADS INTO CAPTIVITY SHALL GO INTO CAPTIVITY: HE WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD SHALL DIE BY THE SWORD

 

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I am not a believer of any established religion either.

If that is the case then why are you using the Bible in the first place?

Your use of the Bible effectively shows you endorse Judaism and Christianity. You aren't using the Koran. You aren't using Buddhism. You aren't using Confucism. You aren't using Hinduism. You aren't using Daoism. You are using the OT and NT as your only point of reference.

 

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THE WEAPON WAS A DIVINE COMMAND MORE DEVASTATING THAN A NUCLEAR BOMB

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. WHEN THEY HAVE DRUNK IT THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD; such is the sword that I am sending among them."



HE WHO LEADS INTO CAPTIVITY SHALL GO INTO CAPTIVITY: HE WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD SHALL DIE BY THE SWORD

That's as nonsensical as the bogga wogga wogga magic death curse you put on me. You are picking unrelated verses and throwing them together and it is nonsensical.

Put down your Captain Crunch secret decoder ring and start using google.

 

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just think of the times when those stories were written. There was no such thing as freedom of speech and people were maimed and killed on a daily basis for trivial reasons. One could not go about and openly preach rebellion against the romans without dying a horrible death in short order but you could go around and openly preach abstinence from the flesh of swine or render unto Caesar the things of Caesar or any number of other things without them ever getting an inkling about what was actually being taught, at least until they couldn't ignore that something must be going on, but by then it was too late.

Maybe look into the time lag between the events and when they were recorded. Because your timeline is off by decades. They were openly preaching the gospels immediately after Jesus rose from the dead never once challenging Roman rule but instead preaching exactly what was recorded. No special decoder ring necessary to decode hidden messages because there were no hidden messages.

 

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One could not go about and openly preach rebellion against the romans

Where was this rebellion? Were the hidden messages hidden so well that no one ever realized they were supposed to rebel against Rome?

Oh, man... this just keeps getting better and better and I'm only on page four. Who said there's no God?

 

[hobelim]

They were openly preaching the gospels immediately after Jesus rose from the dead never once challenging Roman rule but instead preaching exactly what was recorded.

The letter of Paul that exhorts Christians to submit to the governing authorities OR ELSE when Nero was caesar, was written only a few years before Nero began his first of may Christian persecutions because they were causing unrest among the population who were questioning the validity of the "authorities" and their pantheon of pagan Roman gods.

No special decoder ring necessary to decode hidden messages because there were no hidden messages.

You are just embarrassingly wrong. You understand neither scripture nor the power of God.

"The kingdom of Heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, (Jesus) BURIED IT AGAIN."

 

[hobelim]

If that is the case then why are you using the Bible in the first place?

Your use of the Bible effectively shows you endorse Judaism and Christianity. You aren't using the Koran. You aren't using Buddhism. You aren't using Confucism. You aren't using Hinduism. You aren't using Daoism. You are using the OT and NT as your only point of reference.

Well of course!

I am sick of religious people admitting to being sinners, claiming too be saved, oblivious of their demise.

You sanctimonious hypocrites have been claiming orthodox moral authority based on your adherence to Biblical teachings which I have irrefutable proven to be ignorant and wrong effectively nullifying that false claim setting the prisoners in hells keeping free. Except for maybe you and a few other creepy creatures that have the form and shape of a human being but an intelligence just slightly above that of a funky monkey.

 

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The letter of Paul that exhorts Christians to submit to the governing authorities OR ELSE when Nero was caesar, was written only a few years before Nero began his first of may Christian persecutions because they were causing unrest among the population who were questioning the validity of the "authorities" and their pantheon of pagan Roman gods.

You are arguing there was a hidden meaning in what Jesus taught. That Jesus was really teaching rebellion. WHERE WAS THE REBELLION?

 

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You are just embarrassingly wrong. You understand neither scripture nor the power of God.

"The kingdom of Heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, (Jesus) BURIED IT AGAIN."

But you revealed the hidden meaning was rebellion. Where was the rebellion?

 

[hobelim]

But you revealed the hidden meaning was rebellion. Where was the rebellion?

The resurrected dead are standing all around WATCHING, listening, as the last shofar blows.

Then clouds will gather as the sea rages and a mighty wind blows. Blessed is the person whose home can withstand the storm.

 

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Well sure.

No shit.

You sanctimonious hypocrites have been claiming moral authority based on your adherence to Biblical teachings which I have irrefutable proven false

Which bible teaching have you irrefutable proven false?

effectively nullifying that false claim.

What claim? The claim to love God? Because that's the claim of the NT. Is that what you falsified? So we shouldn't love God? Is that what you want?

Setting the prisoners in hells keeping free. Except for you and a few other creepy creatures that have the form and shape of a human being but an intelligence just slightly above that of a funky monkey.

This is more nonsensical jabbery. It's as nonsensical as the bogga wogga wogga magic death curse you put on me. Do you usually breakdown into spouting nonsense when your beliefs are challenged? Is this really the best you can do?

 

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The resurrected dead are standing all around WATCHING, listening, as the last shofar blows.

This is more nonsensical jabbery. It's as nonsensical as the bogga wogga wogga magic death curse you put on me. Do you usually breakdown into spouting nonsense when your beliefs are challenged? Is this really the best you can do?

Where was the rebellion? Did Jesus fail in bringing about a rebellion?

 

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I am sick of religious people admitting to being sinners, claiming too be saved, oblivious of their demise.

Is this you finally admitting that you made up a fake religion to tweak Christians?

 

[BreezeWood]

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people who have fought against Jerusalem:

that is - the crucifiers - against jesus and the 1st century events repudiation of judaism, false commandments et al used to persecute and victimize the innocent the jews did not heed ... the heavens prevented the stone throwing jews from harming mary bringing the magi to her side.

that would be jesus, ram, the 1st century events, jesus and the repudiation of judaism that culminated in the true last scene of the 1st century events - 70ce - after the crucifixion.

 

[hobelim]

It's as nonsensical as the bogga wogga wogga magic death curse you put on me.

No, I gave you something to chant to open you eyes to the truth that you are running away from about yourself. Try it. You will learn something of you listen carefulll while you chant.

Try again. Repeat this magical revelatory chant ten times slowly and you might hear the truth.

OWA TANA SIAM.

 

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You sanctimonious hypocrites have been claiming orthodox moral authority

No. That would be you.

based on your adherence to Biblical teachings which I have irrefutable proven to be ignorant and wrong effectively nullifying that false claim setting the prisoners in hells keeping free.

No. You haven't. You've been babbling incoherently. That's it. All nonsensical gibberish. You are even placing magical death curses on people. I think you are mentally ill.

Except for maybe you and a few other creepy creatures that have the form and shape of a human being but an intelligence just slightly above that of a funky monkey.

More nonsensical gibberish. Go ahead. Put another death curse on me.

Bogga wogga wogga.

 

[hobelim]

Is this you finally admitting that you made up a fake religion to tweak Christians?

No. Anyone with half a brain knows that what you people preach is wrong, a maudlin BS story, but no one else in heaven, on the earth, or under the earth, can reveal what is right.

Even if they lived forever.

You're welcome!

 

[ding]

No, I gave you something to chant to open you eyes to the truth that you are running away from about yourself. Try it. You will learn something of you listen carefulll while you chant.

Try again. Repeat this magical revelatory chant ten times slowly and you might hear the truth.

OWA TANA SIAM.

No. All you spout is nonsensical gibberish sprinkled with your conspiracy theories. Let me give you some advice. I'm only on page 4 of your thread. I still have another 32 or so to go. So just lay back and enjoy it. It's going to happen anyway.

 

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No. Anyone with half a brain knows that what you people preach is wrong, a maudlin BS story, but no one else in heaven, on the earth, or under the earth, can reveal what is right.

Even if they lived forever.

You're welcome!

Because God isn't powerful enough to be born into this world and suffer death to reconcile justice with mercy?

Or is it because there is nothing beyond a material existence? Admit the truth and be done with it. Or lay back and enjoy my leisurely stroll through your thread. I only have another 32 pages to go.

 

[The Irish Ram]

No, I gave you something to chant to open you eyes to the truth that you are running away from about yourself. Try it. You will learn something of you listen carefulll while you chant.

Try again. Repeat this magical revelatory chant ten times slowly and you might hear the truth.

OWA TANA SIAM.

And here's Christ telling people not to chant:

Matthew 6:7-8 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.