Johns Hopkins University: “Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19..."

[CowboyTed]

"COVID-19-related deaths" is a stat that is actually a political ploy as destructive to the US democracy as all the fake votes made by TDS, democrat operatives. Both are a total scam and should be tossed out as the garbage it is. Kung Flu positive, assuming the test is not a false positive, is also meaningless since they are generally asymptomatic. The democrat response to the Kung Flu scam shows how contemptuous they are of personal liberty.

All DEATHS are way up and these statistics are consistent with offcial Covid-19 death toll.

Thats kinda inconvienient to your thesis, right?

SHUT THE FUCK UP, THEY ARE LYING LIKE A RUG.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

 

[AntonToo]

National death statistics and others from CDC.

State and National Provisional Counts

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Year	Month	Number of Live Births	Number of Deaths	Number of Infant Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Live Births	12 Month-ending Number of Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Infant Deaths
2019	January	311,000	258,000	1,700	3,786,000	2,806,000	20,900
2019	February	280,000	233,000	1,600	3,782,000	2,801,000	20,900
2019	March	304,000	255,000	1,800	3,770,000	2,807,000	20,900
2019	April	299,000	235,000	1,700	3,771,000	2,810,000	20,900
2019	May	316,000	237,000	1,800	3,767,000	2,817,000	20,900
2019	June	304,000	225,000	1,800	3,756,000	2,823,000	21,000
2019	July	334,000	229,000	1,800	3,760,000	2,827,000	21,000
2019	August	342,000	227,000	1,800	3,757,000	2,831,000	21,000
2019	September	326,000	223,000	1,700	3,760,000	2,834,000	20,900
2019	October	325,000	238,000	1,700	3,758,000	2,839,000	20,800
2019	November	298,000	239,000	1,700	3,749,000	2,846,000	20,800
2019	December	309,000	256,000	1,800	3,748,000	2,855,000	20,900
2020	January	305,000	264,000	1,800	3,742,000	2,861,000	21,000
2020	February	282,000	244,000	1,700	3,744,000	2,872,000	21,000
2020	March	301,000	269,000	1,600	3,741,000	2,886,000	20,800
2020	April	290,000	321,000	1,500	3,732,000	2,973,000	20,600
2020	May	300,000	279,000	1,600	3,716,000	3,015,000	20,400
2020	June	300,000	249,000	1,600	3,712,000	3,038,000	20,200

As can be seen April does stick out from last year - but then when you look closer - it's the damn New Yorkers! In addition, the 12 month numbers are as projected.

Moron, NYC has seen a total of 24,000 deaths and there are far more deaths in EACH of this year's months since the pandemic deaths began.

From your data 2019 month vs 2020 month:

March: +14,000
April: +85,000
May: +42,000
June: +20,000

So in just those 4 months there were 161,000 more people dead than in the same period during 2019.

And what fucking "12 month numbers"? You've posted just 4 months of covid data.

 

[iceberg]

Something tells me total # of deaths in 2020 regardless of cause isn't going to spike.

 

[Norman]

National death statistics and others from CDC.

State and National Provisional Counts

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Year	Month	Number of Live Births	Number of Deaths	Number of Infant Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Live Births	12 Month-ending Number of Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Infant Deaths
2019	January	311,000	258,000	1,700	3,786,000	2,806,000	20,900
2019	February	280,000	233,000	1,600	3,782,000	2,801,000	20,900
2019	March	304,000	255,000	1,800	3,770,000	2,807,000	20,900
2019	April	299,000	235,000	1,700	3,771,000	2,810,000	20,900
2019	May	316,000	237,000	1,800	3,767,000	2,817,000	20,900
2019	June	304,000	225,000	1,800	3,756,000	2,823,000	21,000
2019	July	334,000	229,000	1,800	3,760,000	2,827,000	21,000
2019	August	342,000	227,000	1,800	3,757,000	2,831,000	21,000
2019	September	326,000	223,000	1,700	3,760,000	2,834,000	20,900
2019	October	325,000	238,000	1,700	3,758,000	2,839,000	20,800
2019	November	298,000	239,000	1,700	3,749,000	2,846,000	20,800
2019	December	309,000	256,000	1,800	3,748,000	2,855,000	20,900
2020	January	305,000	264,000	1,800	3,742,000	2,861,000	21,000
2020	February	282,000	244,000	1,700	3,744,000	2,872,000	21,000
2020	March	301,000	269,000	1,600	3,741,000	2,886,000	20,800
2020	April	290,000	321,000	1,500	3,732,000	2,973,000	20,600
2020	May	300,000	279,000	1,600	3,716,000	3,015,000	20,400
2020	June	300,000	249,000	1,600	3,712,000	3,038,000	20,200

As can be seen April does stick out from last year - but then when you look closer - it's the damn New Yorkers! In addition, the 12 month numbers are as projected.

Moron, NYC has seen a total of 24,000 deaths and there are far more deaths in EACH of this year's months since the pandemic deaths began.

From your graph 2019 month vs 2020 month:

March: +14,000
April: +85,000
May: +42,00
June: +20,000

And what fucking "12 month numbers"? You've posted just 4 months of covid data.

You are thoroughly clueless. I was indeed stating, that NEW YORK HAS been a disaster. Other places, not so much. New York almost quadrupled their death rate.

Gee, what could the 12 month numbers be in a chart with... "12 Month-ending Number of Deaths". I believe this was already explained by a other poster before. But you don't read, only type more BS. Further that is a lot more than four months and not "covid data", nothing is correct.

 

[AntonToo]

National death statistics and others from CDC.

State and National Provisional Counts

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Year	Month	Number of Live Births	Number of Deaths	Number of Infant Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Live Births	12 Month-ending Number of Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Infant Deaths
2019	January	311,000	258,000	1,700	3,786,000	2,806,000	20,900
2019	February	280,000	233,000	1,600	3,782,000	2,801,000	20,900
2019	March	304,000	255,000	1,800	3,770,000	2,807,000	20,900
2019	April	299,000	235,000	1,700	3,771,000	2,810,000	20,900
2019	May	316,000	237,000	1,800	3,767,000	2,817,000	20,900
2019	June	304,000	225,000	1,800	3,756,000	2,823,000	21,000
2019	July	334,000	229,000	1,800	3,760,000	2,827,000	21,000
2019	August	342,000	227,000	1,800	3,757,000	2,831,000	21,000
2019	September	326,000	223,000	1,700	3,760,000	2,834,000	20,900
2019	October	325,000	238,000	1,700	3,758,000	2,839,000	20,800
2019	November	298,000	239,000	1,700	3,749,000	2,846,000	20,800
2019	December	309,000	256,000	1,800	3,748,000	2,855,000	20,900
2020	January	305,000	264,000	1,800	3,742,000	2,861,000	21,000
2020	February	282,000	244,000	1,700	3,744,000	2,872,000	21,000
2020	March	301,000	269,000	1,600	3,741,000	2,886,000	20,800
2020	April	290,000	321,000	1,500	3,732,000	2,973,000	20,600
2020	May	300,000	279,000	1,600	3,716,000	3,015,000	20,400
2020	June	300,000	249,000	1,600	3,712,000	3,038,000	20,200

As can be seen April does stick out from last year - but then when you look closer - it's the damn New Yorkers! In addition, the 12 month numbers are as projected.

Moron, NYC has seen a total of 24,000 deaths and there are far more deaths in EACH of this year's months since the pandemic deaths began.

From your graph 2019 month vs 2020 month:

March: +14,000
April: +85,000
May: +42,00
June: +20,000

And what fucking "12 month numbers"? You've posted just 4 months of covid data.

You are thoroughly clueless. I was indeed stating, that NEW YORK HAS been a disaster. Other places, not so much. New York almost quadrupled their death rate.

Gee, what could the 12 month numbers be in a chart with... "12 Month-ending Number of Deaths". I believe this was already explained by other poster before. But you don't read, only type more BS. Further that is a lot more than four months and not "covid data", nothing is correct.

Moron NYC accounts for 24,000 of 300,000+ excess deaths in America.

Your bizzare theory that Covid is somehow a problem isloated to New York is INSANE.

 

[Norman]

National death statistics and others from CDC.

State and National Provisional Counts

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Year	Month	Number of Live Births	Number of Deaths	Number of Infant Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Live Births	12 Month-ending Number of Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Infant Deaths
2019	January	311,000	258,000	1,700	3,786,000	2,806,000	20,900
2019	February	280,000	233,000	1,600	3,782,000	2,801,000	20,900
2019	March	304,000	255,000	1,800	3,770,000	2,807,000	20,900
2019	April	299,000	235,000	1,700	3,771,000	2,810,000	20,900
2019	May	316,000	237,000	1,800	3,767,000	2,817,000	20,900
2019	June	304,000	225,000	1,800	3,756,000	2,823,000	21,000
2019	July	334,000	229,000	1,800	3,760,000	2,827,000	21,000
2019	August	342,000	227,000	1,800	3,757,000	2,831,000	21,000
2019	September	326,000	223,000	1,700	3,760,000	2,834,000	20,900
2019	October	325,000	238,000	1,700	3,758,000	2,839,000	20,800
2019	November	298,000	239,000	1,700	3,749,000	2,846,000	20,800
2019	December	309,000	256,000	1,800	3,748,000	2,855,000	20,900
2020	January	305,000	264,000	1,800	3,742,000	2,861,000	21,000
2020	February	282,000	244,000	1,700	3,744,000	2,872,000	21,000
2020	March	301,000	269,000	1,600	3,741,000	2,886,000	20,800
2020	April	290,000	321,000	1,500	3,732,000	2,973,000	20,600
2020	May	300,000	279,000	1,600	3,716,000	3,015,000	20,400
2020	June	300,000	249,000	1,600	3,712,000	3,038,000	20,200

As can be seen April does stick out from last year - but then when you look closer - it's the damn New Yorkers! In addition, the 12 month numbers are as projected.

Moron, NYC has seen a total of 24,000 deaths and there are far more deaths in EACH of this year's months since the pandemic deaths began.

From your graph 2019 month vs 2020 month:

March: +14,000
April: +85,000
May: +42,00
June: +20,000

And what fucking "12 month numbers"? You've posted just 4 months of covid data.

You are thoroughly clueless. I was indeed stating, that NEW YORK HAS been a disaster. Other places, not so much. New York almost quadrupled their death rate.

Gee, what could the 12 month numbers be in a chart with... "12 Month-ending Number of Deaths". I believe this was already explained by other poster before. But you don't read, only type more BS. Further that is a lot more than four months and not "covid data", nothing is correct.

Moron NYC accounts for 24,000 of 300,000+ excess deaths in America.

Your bizzare theory that Covid is somehow a problem isloated to New York is INSANE.

There are no 300,000 excess deaths.

Did I say it was isolated to New York? Nope. They quadrupled their death rate. In other places save a few, it's within 20%, which is well within normal. Note that we expect deaths to go up every year due to aging population.

You have not answered the inquiry I put forward before.

 

[AntonToo]

Here is what Texas (not located in NY last I checked) excess deaths looks like:

If you can't see deaths shooting up as Covid-19 spreads in Texas then you probably need to go get your head checked.

 

[OldLady]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

The whole idea of flattening the curve wasn't to stop people from dying--a nice benefit if we could get it-- but to keep the hospitals and health care providers from being overwhelmed. We were warned on day one that flattening the curve would spread this out.

In some areas, hospitals are being overwhelmed again. It has never been about it's deadliness, it's about it's high contagion rate and no way to stop it from making some people--a lot of people-- really sick.

 

[AntonToo]

National death statistics and others from CDC.

State and National Provisional Counts

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Year	Month	Number of Live Births	Number of Deaths	Number of Infant Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Live Births	12 Month-ending Number of Deaths	12 Month-ending Number of Infant Deaths
2019	January	311,000	258,000	1,700	3,786,000	2,806,000	20,900
2019	February	280,000	233,000	1,600	3,782,000	2,801,000	20,900
2019	March	304,000	255,000	1,800	3,770,000	2,807,000	20,900
2019	April	299,000	235,000	1,700	3,771,000	2,810,000	20,900
2019	May	316,000	237,000	1,800	3,767,000	2,817,000	20,900
2019	June	304,000	225,000	1,800	3,756,000	2,823,000	21,000
2019	July	334,000	229,000	1,800	3,760,000	2,827,000	21,000
2019	August	342,000	227,000	1,800	3,757,000	2,831,000	21,000
2019	September	326,000	223,000	1,700	3,760,000	2,834,000	20,900
2019	October	325,000	238,000	1,700	3,758,000	2,839,000	20,800
2019	November	298,000	239,000	1,700	3,749,000	2,846,000	20,800
2019	December	309,000	256,000	1,800	3,748,000	2,855,000	20,900
2020	January	305,000	264,000	1,800	3,742,000	2,861,000	21,000
2020	February	282,000	244,000	1,700	3,744,000	2,872,000	21,000
2020	March	301,000	269,000	1,600	3,741,000	2,886,000	20,800
2020	April	290,000	321,000	1,500	3,732,000	2,973,000	20,600
2020	May	300,000	279,000	1,600	3,716,000	3,015,000	20,400
2020	June	300,000	249,000	1,600	3,712,000	3,038,000	20,200

As can be seen April does stick out from last year - but then when you look closer - it's the damn New Yorkers! In addition, the 12 month numbers are as projected.

Moron, NYC has seen a total of 24,000 deaths and there are far more deaths in EACH of this year's months since the pandemic deaths began.

From your graph 2019 month vs 2020 month:

March: +14,000
April: +85,000
May: +42,00
June: +20,000

And what fucking "12 month numbers"? You've posted just 4 months of covid data.

You are thoroughly clueless. I was indeed stating, that NEW YORK HAS been a disaster. Other places, not so much. New York almost quadrupled their death rate.

Gee, what could the 12 month numbers be in a chart with... "12 Month-ending Number of Deaths". I believe this was already explained by other poster before. But you don't read, only type more BS. Further that is a lot more than four months and not "covid data", nothing is correct.

Moron NYC accounts for 24,000 of 300,000+ excess deaths in America.

Your bizzare theory that Covid is somehow a problem isloated to New York is INSANE.

There are no 300,000 excess deaths.

Yes there are moron.

You take all deaths to date since pandemic began and you compare it to 2019 or 2018 or 2017 or 2016 and you clearly see 300,000+ more deaths this year since March.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

The whole idea of flattening the curve wasn't to stop people from dying--a nice benefit if we could get it-- but to keep the hospitals and health care providers from being overwhelmed. We were warned on day one that flattening the curve would spread this out.

In some areas, hospitals are being overwhelmed again. It has never been about it's deadliness, it's about it's high contagion rate and no way to stop it from making some people--a lot of people-- really sick.

Once the healthcare system is overwhelmed death rates shoot way up. See Italy.

 

[Norman]

Here is what Texas (not located in NY last I checked) excess deaths looks like:

If you can't see deaths shooting up as Covid-19 spreads in Texas then you probably need to go get your head checked.

That's one stupid analysis that completely misses the big picture.
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2020	2019
State	January	February	March	April	May	June	January	February	March	April	May	June	July	August	September	October	November	December
NEW YORK	14,513	13,320	18,930	41,554	17,967	12,858	14,421	12,790	13,988	12,723	12,846	12,217	12,665	12,340	12,082	13,234	13,070	14,137
TEXAS	18,781	17,373	18,296	18,293	18,437	18,861	18,424	16,313	18,012	16,541	16,551	16,084	16,458	16,354	15,767	17,120	17,406	18,547

Texas, April (2019 vs 2020):
16K -> 18K, almost within 10 percent. Note that this is about the same as the difference between February - a pandemic free month.
New York, April:
12K -> 41K

Texas is well within the normal margins, while New York has something extraordinary going on. Indeed, you have not explained why New York failed beyond all comprehension, and why you as a New Yorker are now lecturing others after such huge failures. People should be working as hard as possible to not follow anything done in New York.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Covid saves lives. Deaths are down across the board to add to the scare factor.

Democrats count covid deaths like they count votes... fraudulently.

 

[OldLady]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

The whole idea of flattening the curve wasn't to stop people from dying--a nice benefit if we could get it-- but to keep the hospitals and health care providers from being overwhelmed. We were warned on day one that flattening the curve would spread this out.

In some areas, hospitals are being overwhelmed again. It has never been about it's deadliness, it's about it's high contagion rate and no way to stop it from making some people--a lot of people-- really sick.

Once the healthcare system is overwhelmed death rates shoot way up. See Italy.

I'm not arguing we haven't got a lot of deaths. But that was not the initial reason for the lock down and it's not the driving force behind continued control methods. Those arguing about the deadliness of the disease are missing the point. The message became hysterical-ized. "Have Thanksgiving, you're all gonna DIE" is also missing the point. It's still about flattening the curve. I'm behind it.

 

[AntonToo]

Covid saves lives.

Ok I've had my share of total fucking crazy for this week. Thanks, this has been another fun episode of trying to rationally talk to rightwingers.

 

[boedicca]

This is the Big Lie that many of us have said was going on: CCP-Flu death count has been grossly inflated to justify imposing Authoritarian rule.

Fuck them. I will Not Obey their boot on the neck rules.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

The whole idea of flattening the curve wasn't to stop people from dying--a nice benefit if we could get it-- but to keep the hospitals and health care providers from being overwhelmed. We were warned on day one that flattening the curve would spread this out.

In some areas, hospitals are being overwhelmed again. It has never been about it's deadliness, it's about it's high contagion rate and no way to stop it from making some people--a lot of people-- really sick.

Once the healthcare system is overwhelmed death rates shoot way up. See Italy.

I'm not arguing we haven't got a lot of deaths. But that was not the initial reason for the lock down and it's not the driving force behind continued control methods. Those arguing about the deadliness of the disease are missing the point. The message became hysterical-ized. "Have Thanksgiving, you're all gonna DIE" is also missing the point. It's still about flattening the curve. I'm behind it.

I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying flattening the curve saves lives by not overwhelming the healthcare system.

Also if you have a vaccine incoming the flattening will stall some people getting sick long enough to never get sick.

 

[AntonToo]

This is the Big Lie that many of us have said was going on: CCP-Flu death count has been grossly inflated to justify imposing Authoritarian rule.

Fuck them. I will Not Obey their boot on the neck rules.

How do you inflate total death count in United States?

Do you have some alternate explanation why ~300,000 more people are dead since March compared to the same period years before?

Do you have some alternate explanation why total death counts consistentyl increase everywhere there is a Covid-19 outbreak?

 

[Norman]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

The whole idea of flattening the curve wasn't to stop people from dying--a nice benefit if we could get it-- but to keep the hospitals and health care providers from being overwhelmed. We were warned on day one that flattening the curve would spread this out.

In some areas, hospitals are being overwhelmed again. It has never been about it's deadliness, it's about it's high contagion rate and no way to stop it from making some people--a lot of people-- really sick.

Once the healthcare system is overwhelmed death rates shoot way up. See Italy.

I'm not arguing we haven't got a lot of deaths. But that was not the initial reason for the lock down and it's not the driving force behind continued control methods. Those arguing about the deadliness of the disease are missing the point. The message became hysterical-ized. "Have Thanksgiving, you're all gonna DIE" is also missing the point. It's still about flattening the curve. I'm behind it.

I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying flattening the curve saves lives by not overwhelming the healthcare system.

Also if you have a vaccine incoming the flattening will stall some people getting sick long enough to never get sick.

You say that without having any knowledge of the capacity - or virus cases - almost anywhere in the country.

You can do what you want, let other people also do what they want, depending on their values, and severity of the situation.

We are never going to cancel Christmas because few extra deaths - you can count on that. Especially after you and your advice completely fell on its face killing more people than anywhere in the country. New York should STFU and GTFO and stop telling others how to live. In fact, New York is the biggest covid disaster on the whole planet, yet you still feel like lecturing.

 

[OldLady]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

The whole idea of flattening the curve wasn't to stop people from dying--a nice benefit if we could get it-- but to keep the hospitals and health care providers from being overwhelmed. We were warned on day one that flattening the curve would spread this out.

In some areas, hospitals are being overwhelmed again. It has never been about it's deadliness, it's about it's high contagion rate and no way to stop it from making some people--a lot of people-- really sick.

Once the healthcare system is overwhelmed death rates shoot way up. See Italy.

I'm not arguing we haven't got a lot of deaths. But that was not the initial reason for the lock down and it's not the driving force behind continued control methods. Those arguing about the deadliness of the disease are missing the point. The message became hysterical-ized. "Have Thanksgiving, you're all gonna DIE" is also missing the point. It's still about flattening the curve. I'm behind it.

I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying flattening the curve saves lives by not overwhelming the healthcare system.

Also if you have a vaccine incoming the flattening will stall some people getting sick long enough to never get sick.

I am looking forward to the 4th of July this summer!!!! Hope our hopes for the vaccine aren't dashed.

 

[Crepitus]

Yep, "strange"

I suspect it of being faked.