Johns Hopkins University: “Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19..."

[WTF19]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

GOD forbid....id shoot you b4 i let you take care of me...

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

GOD forbid....id shoot you b4 i let you take care of me...

Nubag, nobody gives a shit who you want or don't want taking care of you. If you have an actual argument go ahead and make it.

 

[marvin martian]

Although the people who conducted this study find the results “surprising,” I myself do not.

Anyway, this is proof that the panic and hysteria over COVID-19, as well as the lockdowns, closures, cancellations, restrictions, and other authoritarian actions on the part of political leaders, were all completely unjustified.

Johns Hopkins University has just reported the following:

“Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.”

Source: A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

The Big Tech/Big Media/DNC alliance is already actively suppressing this story on the internet.

 

[WTF19]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

GOD forbid....id shoot you b4 i let you take care of me...

Nubag, nobody gives a shit who you want or don't want taking care of you. If you have an actual argument go ahead and make it.

ok, ive noticed what a brain dead piece of shit you are. maybe, some day, you may inherit a brain from a fly. the 1 you lack, encourages you to type shit. its your propaganda, that has absolutely no bearing in the real world

 

[Care4all]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.

The fact the 2009 SARS vaccine was able to be used on covid-19 is just luck.
The reality is that "flattening the curve" is known to be entirely foolish and gives epidemics more time to kill far greater numbers.
It may also still keep killing because it may have given the virus enough time to evolve and make vaccines useless.
The science says, NEVER FLATTEN THE CURVE.
That just gives the epidemic more time, and time is the one thing you NEVER want to give any epidemic.
You need to totally eradicate any epidemic as quickly as possible.
That is why full quarantine procedures, with contact tracing, is the best way to do it, because it is quickest.

Nope!

FLATTENING THE CURVE translates to reducing/slowing the spread of the virus. Variants are created through the spread of the virus, not time. Time doesn't create a variant. Variants are created in a virus Infected human body.

Flattening the curve/reducing/slowing the spread of the virus, reduces the variants created.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

GOD forbid....id shoot you b4 i let you take care of me...

Nubag, nobody gives a shit who you want or don't want taking care of you. If you have an actual argument go ahead and make it.

ok, ive noticed what a brain dead piece of shit you are. maybe, some day, you may inherit a brain from a fly. the 1 you lack, encourages you to type shit. its your propaganda, that has absolutely no bearing in the real world

I think you just tell this flaming nonsense to yourself, so you don't have to get off your lazy ass and actually make an argument worth a damn .

 

[WTF19]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

GOD forbid....id shoot you b4 i let you take care of me...

Nubag, nobody gives a shit who you want or don't want taking care of you. If you have an actual argument go ahead and make it.

ok, ive noticed what a brain dead piece of shit you are. maybe, some day, you may inherit a brain from a fly. the 1 you lack, encourages you to type shit. its your propaganda, that has absolutely no bearing in the real world

I think you just tell this flaming nonsense to yourself, so you don't have to get off your lazy ass and actually make an argument worth a damn .

thanx for admitting, you are the whole problem...your first 2 words--"I think"...many would disagree that you are not capable of thinking clearly
unlike you, sitting around waiting 4 your free $$$, i work

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

GOD forbid....id shoot you b4 i let you take care of me...

Nubag, nobody gives a shit who you want or don't want taking care of you. If you have an actual argument go ahead and make it.

ok, ive noticed what a brain dead piece of shit you are. maybe, some day, you may inherit a brain from a fly. the 1 you lack, encourages you to type shit. its your propaganda, that has absolutely no bearing in the real world

I think you just tell this flaming nonsense to yourself, so you don't have to get off your lazy ass and actually make an argument worth a damn .

thanx for admitting, you are the whole problem...your first 2 words--"I think"...many would disagree that you are not capable of thinking clearly
unlike you, sitting around waiting 4 your free $$$, i work

That's just another fantasy in your silly little head.

I work and get paid a lot of money for what I do, sorry you don't happen to like that reality.

 

[WTF19]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

GOD forbid....id shoot you b4 i let you take care of me...

Nubag, nobody gives a shit who you want or don't want taking care of you. If you have an actual argument go ahead and make it.

ok, ive noticed what a brain dead piece of shit you are. maybe, some day, you may inherit a brain from a fly. the 1 you lack, encourages you to type shit. its your propaganda, that has absolutely no bearing in the real world

I think you just tell this flaming nonsense to yourself, so you don't have to get off your lazy ass and actually make an argument worth a damn .

thanx for admitting, you are the whole problem...your first 2 words--"I think"...many would disagree that you are not capable of thinking clearly
unlike you, sitting around waiting 4 your free $$$, i work

That's just another fantasy in your silly little head.

I work and get paid a lot of money for what I do, sorry you don't happen to like that reality.

did i hit a nerve, shit stain? Boo-Hoo
you have no clue what reality is...just a brain dead thought in your half a brain cell.....

 

[LordBrownTrout]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.

The fact the 2009 SARS vaccine was able to be used on covid-19 is just luck.
The reality is that "flattening the curve" is known to be entirely foolish and gives epidemics more time to kill far greater numbers.
It may also still keep killing because it may have given the virus enough time to evolve and make vaccines useless.
The science says, NEVER FLATTEN THE CURVE.
That just gives the epidemic more time, and time is the one thing you NEVER want to give any epidemic.
You need to totally eradicate any epidemic as quickly as possible.
That is why full quarantine procedures, with contact tracing, is the best way to do it, because it is quickest.

Nope!

FLATTENING THE CURVE translates to reducing/slowing the spread of the virus. Variants are created through the spread of the virus, not time. Time doesn't create a variant. Variants are created in a virus Infected human body.

Flattening the curve/reducing/slowing the spread of the virus, reduces the variants created.

The vaccine is so wonderful that it doesn't prevent one from becoming infected or spreading the disease AND you still get to wear a mask. No thanks.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

GOD forbid....id shoot you b4 i let you take care of me...

Nubag, nobody gives a shit who you want or don't want taking care of you. If you have an actual argument go ahead and make it.

ok, ive noticed what a brain dead piece of shit you are. maybe, some day, you may inherit a brain from a fly. the 1 you lack, encourages you to type shit. its your propaganda, that has absolutely no bearing in the real world

I think you just tell this flaming nonsense to yourself, so you don't have to get off your lazy ass and actually make an argument worth a damn .

thanx for admitting, you are the whole problem...your first 2 words--"I think"...many would disagree that you are not capable of thinking clearly
unlike you, sitting around waiting 4 your free $$$, i work

That's just another fantasy in your silly little head.

I work and get paid a lot of money for what I do, sorry you don't happen to like that reality.

did i hit a nerve, shit stain?

? No, why would your fantasy hit my nerves? You are nuts.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.

The fact the 2009 SARS vaccine was able to be used on covid-19 is just luck.
The reality is that "flattening the curve" is known to be entirely foolish and gives epidemics more time to kill far greater numbers.
It may also still keep killing because it may have given the virus enough time to evolve and make vaccines useless.
The science says, NEVER FLATTEN THE CURVE.
That just gives the epidemic more time, and time is the one thing you NEVER want to give any epidemic.
You need to totally eradicate any epidemic as quickly as possible.
That is why full quarantine procedures, with contact tracing, is the best way to do it, because it is quickest.

Nope!

FLATTENING THE CURVE translates to reducing/slowing the spread of the virus. Variants are created through the spread of the virus, not time. Time doesn't create a variant. Variants are created in a virus Infected human body.

Flattening the curve/reducing/slowing the spread of the virus, reduces the variants created.

The vaccine is so wonderful that it doesn't prevent one from becoming infected or spreading the disease AND you still get to wear a mask. No thanks.

What you've just said is plainly contradicted by scientific studies. You are posting bs, plain and simple.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389

The trial enrolled 30,420 volunteers who were randomly assigned in a 1:1 ratio to receive either vaccine or placebo (15,210 participants in each group).

Symptomatic Covid-19 illness was confirmed in 185 participants in the placebo group...and in 11 participants in the mRNA-1273

vaccine efficacy was 94.1%

Severe Covid-19 occurred in 30 participants, with one fatality; all 30 were in the placebo group.

 

[DBA]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

My wife is a physician and can tell you just how hypocritcal many physicians can be when politics come into play. Unfortunately, politics first as with HCQ. On one hand they were poo pooing HCQ but on the other hand many had a stash to take for themselves at the first sign of symptoms. Yes, even after the CDC lied about the supposed dangers of HCQ. Much of the medical and scientific communities have been indoctrinated to a point where actual science takes a back seat to politics. Sad but true fact.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

My wife is a physician and can tell you just how hypocritcal many physicians can be when politics come into play. Unfortunately, politics first as with HCQ. On one hand they were poo pooing HCQ but on the other hand many had a stash to take for themselves at the first sign of symptoms. Yes, even after the CDC lied about the supposed dangers of HCQ. Much of the medical and scientific communities have been indoctrinated to a point where actual science takes a back seat to politics. Sad but true fact.

? What does that have to do with scientific studies that repeatedly proved vaccines are very effective?

You know who gets treated with HCQ today? No one. Scientific studies showed it to be not particularly effective against Covid-19.

When Trump got Covid he didn't get HCQ, he got antibody treatment that has now been shown to be highly effective early treatment.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.

The fact the 2009 SARS vaccine was able to be used on covid-19 is just luck.
The reality is that "flattening the curve" is known to be entirely foolish and gives epidemics more time to kill far greater numbers.
It may also still keep killing because it may have given the virus enough time to evolve and make vaccines useless.
The science says, NEVER FLATTEN THE CURVE.
That just gives the epidemic more time, and time is the one thing you NEVER want to give any epidemic.
You need to totally eradicate any epidemic as quickly as possible.
That is why full quarantine procedures, with contact tracing, is the best way to do it, because it is quickest.

Nope!

FLATTENING THE CURVE translates to reducing/slowing the spread of the virus. Variants are created through the spread of the virus, not time. Time doesn't create a variant. Variants are created in a virus Infected human body.

Flattening the curve/reducing/slowing the spread of the virus, reduces the variants created.

The vaccine is so wonderful that it doesn't prevent one from becoming infected or spreading the disease AND you still get to wear a mask. No thanks.

What you've just said is plainly contradicted by scientific studies. You are posting bs, plain and simple.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389

The trial enrolled 30,420 volunteers who were randomly assigned in a 1:1 ratio to receive either vaccine or placebo (15,210 participants in each group).

Symptomatic Covid-19 illness was confirmed in 185 participants in the placebo group...and in 11 participants in the mRNA-1273

vaccine efficacy was 94.1%

Severe Covid-19 occurred in 30 participants, with one fatality; all 30 were in the placebo group.

That has nothing to do with the people who are being reinfected. The numbers of reinfection are now higher in states with higher numbers of vaccinations. I said nothing that contradicted studies. On the contrary, the clinical studies are over a period of 3-4 months. Clinical studies last anywhere from 5-12 years. This vaccine offers little protection and nothing against variants hence the reinfections at an alarming rate. Moderna and Phizer shots aren't really even vaccines. They're gene therapies. The mRNA is producing a synthetic spike protein. The body is producing antibodies to that specific spike protein. These are experimental products that have never before been tested on humans. They're in the experimental phase, not even approved by the FDA. Your ignorance precedes your inability to discern simple logic and facts, sadly.