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Heading for a Jew-Free Turkey :: Middle East Forum
meforum.org/4938/heading-for-a-jew-free-turkey
by Burak Bekdil
The Gatestone Institute
December 23, 2014

"We face threats, attacks and harassment every day," writes Turkish Jewish columnist Mois Gabay.

At the beginning of the 20th century, there were about 200,000 Jews in Turkish lands – when the entire population was barely 10 million. Today, the Turkish population has reached 77 million – and there are fewer than 17,000 Jews.

Mois Gabay, a Turkish Jewish writer for Salom, the Istanbul Jewish newspaper, recently wrote in his column, "Are Turkish Jews Leaving?": "We face threats, attacks and harassment every day. Hope is fading. Is it necessary for a 'Hrant among us' to be shot in order for the government, the opposition, civil society, our neighbors and jurists to see this?" The 'Hrant' to whom he referred is Hrant Dink, a Turkish Armenian journalist who was shot dead in 2007 by a gang of nationalist Turks.

On Dec. 15, the Turkish liberal daily Radikal interviewed Gabay, who started by showing Radikal's reporter dozens of threats and hate messages he has received through Twitter, Facebook and mail messages. "This is almost daily," he said.

According to Gabay, only this year 37% of high-school graduates in Istanbul's Jewish community left Turkey to study abroad, twice as many as in previous years. "We don't know how many of them will return," he says. "But the idea to leave Turkey (for good) is also in the minds of my generation."

The reason is simple: "The circle is closing in," according to Gabay. "In an atmosphere like this, especially if you are a trader, you tend to change your name. Mois's tends to become "Musa's," "Cefi's," become "Cem's" and "Meri's" become "Peri's" (all the latter are Turkish names.) His Jewish friends tell Gabay that they are elaborating on the idea of leaving Turkey and settling in far-away countries such as Canada, Panama and Australia. Two Jewish friends of his who have shops in Istanbul's busy Unkapani district recently complained to him that "The imam in the neighbourhood has the habit of preaching to his congregation 'not to make friends with Jews and Christians.'"

According to Gabay,

the Turkish government's [anti-Israeli/anti-Jewish] rhetoric paves the way for this, provokes Turks and spreads [hatred] to even larger masses. But there is more. "Thanks to the spread of social media, the previously 'invisible Jew' is reachable now. There are laws against hate speech. But not a single person has ever been prosecuted [let alone sentenced] for threatening and insulting [Jews].

According to a prominent Turkish Armenian, part of the blame is on Turkey's tiny non-Muslim minorities.

But according to a prominent Turkish Armenian, part of the blame is on Turkey's tiny non-Muslim minorities.

Etyen Mahcupyan is a leading Turkish Armenian intellectual, writer and columnist. He has published more than 15 books and has written regular columns in Turkey's leading liberal newspapers. Last October, Mahcupyan, one of a dwindling number of liberals keenly supporting Turkey's Islamist government, was appointed as "chief advisor" to Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu. In a recent interview with Turkey's leading daily, Hurriyet, Mahcupyan said,

Whatever has been a [political] asset for Turkey's Armenian community (they number around 60,000) is an asset for the Jewish community too. But... there is Israel... As long as the psychology of the Israel issue continues to influence politics in Turkey and relations between the two countries do not normalize...

The line Mahcupyan shyly did not finish probably would have gone on like this: "Turkey's Jews will keep on paying the price."

Turkish Armenian intellectual Etyen Mahcupyan thinks that daily attacks on Turkey's Jews and other non-Muslims happen because they are better-educated then Muslims and have a "superiority complex."

In a recent article, Mahcupyan, a former editor of Agos, where the slain Turkish Armenian journalist Hrant Dink wrote, argued that Turkey's [secularist] Jews harboured an allergy against Muslims. Mahcupyan apparently deserves his new position as "his master's voice."

He admits that it is the government's responsibility to do something if Turkey's Jews felt awfully alienated. But he thinks "there is the other side of the story."

Mahcupyan said: "All of this [anti-Semitism in Turkey] is related to the Jewish community's perception of Islam and the region. This is a perception that powerfully produced politics and positions. If the Armenians do not behave like them [the Jews] we can understand the historical difference between the two [Jewish and Armenian] communities."

Apparently, Mahcupyan, the prime minister's chief advisor, tends to blame the victim, not the criminal. "I have lived through this personally for the past 60 years," he explains. "Among Turkey's non-Muslim minorities, including Jews and Armenians, there is an [established] opinion about humiliating Muslims." So, did your poor friend Dink deserve to be murdered because he humiliated Muslims?

Secondly, Mahcupyan continues, "Both Jews and Armenians are better-educated [than Muslim Turks] and more open to the West. And this brings in a feeling of superiority complex."

To sum up, the Turkish Armenian liberal intellectual, who also happens to be advising the Turkish prime minister, thinks that daily attacks on Turkey's Jews and other non-Muslims, including the murder of his "friend" Dink, happen because: Jews and Armenians humiliate Muslims; they are better-educated then Muslims and hence their superiority complex. Lovely!

In the 18th and 19th centuries, the Ottoman state machinery produced several non-Muslim converts (the devshirme) who enjoyed higher echelons of the palace bureaucracy and finer things of life because their pragmatism earned them excellent relations with the ruling Muslim elite. It looks like the devshirme system is still alive in post-Ottoman Turkey.

Burak Bekdil, based in Ankara, is a columnist for the Turkish daily Hürriyet and a fellow at the Middle East Forum.
 
The Gatestone Institute where your article comes from is a radical jewish hate site. ..... :cool:

You are quite the scrooge a real bah humbug
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Heading for a Jew-Free Turkey :: Middle East Forum
meforum.org/4938/heading-for-a-jew-free-turkey
by Burak Bekdil
The Gatestone Institute
December 23, 2014

"We face threats, attacks and harassment every day," writes Turkish Jewish columnist Mois Gabay.

At the beginning of the 20th century, there were about 200,000 Jews in Turkish lands – when the entire population was barely 10 million. Today, the Turkish population has reached 77 million – and there are fewer than 17,000 Jews.

Mois Gabay, a Turkish Jewish writer for Salom, the Istanbul Jewish newspaper, recently wrote in his column, "Are Turkish Jews Leaving?": "We face threats, attacks and harassment every day. Hope is fading. Is it necessary for a 'Hrant among us' to be shot in order for the government, the opposition, civil society, our neighbors and jurists to see this?" The 'Hrant' to whom he referred is Hrant Dink, a Turkish Armenian journalist who was shot dead in 2007 by a gang of nationalist Turks.

On Dec. 15, the Turkish liberal daily Radikal interviewed Gabay, who started by showing Radikal's reporter dozens of threats and hate messages he has received through Twitter, Facebook and mail messages. "This is almost daily," he said.

According to Gabay, only this year 37% of high-school graduates in Istanbul's Jewish community left Turkey to study abroad, twice as many as in previous years. "We don't know how many of them will return," he says. "But the idea to leave Turkey (for good) is also in the minds of my generation."

The reason is simple: "The circle is closing in," according to Gabay. "In an atmosphere like this, especially if you are a trader, you tend to change your name. Mois's tends to become "Musa's," "Cefi's," become "Cem's" and "Meri's" become "Peri's" (all the latter are Turkish names.) His Jewish friends tell Gabay that they are elaborating on the idea of leaving Turkey and settling in far-away countries such as Canada, Panama and Australia. Two Jewish friends of his who have shops in Istanbul's busy Unkapani district recently complained to him that "The imam in the neighbourhood has the habit of preaching to his congregation 'not to make friends with Jews and Christians.'"

According to Gabay,

the Turkish government's [anti-Israeli/anti-Jewish] rhetoric paves the way for this, provokes Turks and spreads [hatred] to even larger masses. But there is more. "Thanks to the spread of social media, the previously 'invisible Jew' is reachable now. There are laws against hate speech. But not a single person has ever been prosecuted [let alone sentenced] for threatening and insulting [Jews].

According to a prominent Turkish Armenian, part of the blame is on Turkey's tiny non-Muslim minorities.

But according to a prominent Turkish Armenian, part of the blame is on Turkey's tiny non-Muslim minorities.

Etyen Mahcupyan is a leading Turkish Armenian intellectual, writer and columnist. He has published more than 15 books and has written regular columns in Turkey's leading liberal newspapers. Last October, Mahcupyan, one of a dwindling number of liberals keenly supporting Turkey's Islamist government, was appointed as "chief advisor" to Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu. In a recent interview with Turkey's leading daily, Hurriyet, Mahcupyan said,

Whatever has been a [political] asset for Turkey's Armenian community (they number around 60,000) is an asset for the Jewish community too. But... there is Israel... As long as the psychology of the Israel issue continues to influence politics in Turkey and relations between the two countries do not normalize...

The line Mahcupyan shyly did not finish probably would have gone on like this: "Turkey's Jews will keep on paying the price."

Turkish Armenian intellectual Etyen Mahcupyan thinks that daily attacks on Turkey's Jews and other non-Muslims happen because they are better-educated then Muslims and have a "superiority complex."

In a recent article, Mahcupyan, a former editor of Agos, where the slain Turkish Armenian journalist Hrant Dink wrote, argued that Turkey's [secularist] Jews harboured an allergy against Muslims. Mahcupyan apparently deserves his new position as "his master's voice."

He admits that it is the government's responsibility to do something if Turkey's Jews felt awfully alienated. But he thinks "there is the other side of the story."

Mahcupyan said: "All of this [anti-Semitism in Turkey] is related to the Jewish community's perception of Islam and the region. This is a perception that powerfully produced politics and positions. If the Armenians do not behave like them [the Jews] we can understand the historical difference between the two [Jewish and Armenian] communities."

Apparently, Mahcupyan, the prime minister's chief advisor, tends to blame the victim, not the criminal. "I have lived through this personally for the past 60 years," he explains. "Among Turkey's non-Muslim minorities, including Jews and Armenians, there is an [established] opinion about humiliating Muslims." So, did your poor friend Dink deserve to be murdered because he humiliated Muslims?

Secondly, Mahcupyan continues, "Both Jews and Armenians are better-educated [than Muslim Turks] and more open to the West. And this brings in a feeling of superiority complex."

To sum up, the Turkish Armenian liberal intellectual, who also happens to be advising the Turkish prime minister, thinks that daily attacks on Turkey's Jews and other non-Muslims, including the murder of his "friend" Dink, happen because: Jews and Armenians humiliate Muslims; they are better-educated then Muslims and hence their superiority complex. Lovely!

In the 18th and 19th centuries, the Ottoman state machinery produced several non-Muslim converts (the devshirme) who enjoyed higher echelons of the palace bureaucracy and finer things of life because their pragmatism earned them excellent relations with the ruling Muslim elite. It looks like the devshirme system is still alive in post-Ottoman Turkey.

Burak Bekdil, based in Ankara, is a columnist for the Turkish daily Hürriyet and a fellow at the Middle East Forum.

Oh. Turkey. I thought he was writing about Paris there for a minute...or any campus in America.
 
As usual, some extremist site is quoted in an attempt to make more people hate Muslims.
Very fews Jews have been attacked in Turkey, most being because they were bastards, not because they were Jews.
 
As usual, some extremist site is quoted in an attempt to make more people hate Muslims.
Very fews Jews have been attacked in Turkey, most being because they were bastards, not because they were Jews.

In a Muslim's mind, even if he is a convert like Fred, the people attacked by his fellow Muslims just happened to be "bastards." I guess the priest shot in Turkey was a "bastard" too. Even the Armenians living in Turkey are wary, and they tell their relatives here in the States what is happening. Fred is going to tell us about all the Shia, Ahmadiyya Muslims and Christians who are set upon in his own country, Indonesia, by his fellow Sunnis. Surely he is not going to tell us that all these people were "bastards."
 
Turkiye is ruled by an Islamic government and in Turkiye we dont group people according to their ethnic origin or religion or whatever. We are trying to get rid of Kemalist idea which was placed in Turkiye by Masons and which defends the superiority of Turkish race. Not only Jews but many other people lives in Turkiye.
 
Turkiye is ruled by an Islamic government and in Turkiye we dont group people according to their ethnic origin or religion or whatever. We are trying to get rid of Kemalist idea which was placed in Turkiye by Masons and which defends the superiority of Turkish race. Not only Jews but many other people lives in Turkiye.


Ataturk would be rolling over in his grave if he saw what extremist Muslims like Mineva write. Instead of a secular Turkey that Ataturk envisioned, Mineva wants to see an Islamist Turkey, the same as Erdogan wants to establish..

With regard to Ataturk........

"His then embarked upon a program of political, economic, and cultural reforms, seeking to transform the former Ottoman Empire into a modern and secular nation-state. Under his leadership, thousands of new schools were built, primary education was made free and compulsory, and women were given equal civil and political rights, while the burden of taxation on peasants was reduced.[3] His government also carried out an extensive policy ofTurkification.[4][5][6][7] The principles of Atatürk's reforms, upon which modern Turkey was established, are referred to as Kemalism."
 
As usual, some extremist site is quoted in an attempt to make more people hate Muslims.
Very fews Jews have been attacked in Turkey, most being because they were bastards, not because they were Jews.
Can you back this up?
 
Ataturk would be rolling over in his grave if he saw what extremist Muslims like Mineva write. Instead of a secular Turkey that Ataturk envisioned, Mineva wants to see an Islamist Turkey, the same as Erdogan wants to establish..

With regard to Ataturk........

"His then embarked upon a program of political, economic, and cultural reforms, seeking to transform the former Ottoman Empire into a modern and secular nation-state. Under his leadership, thousands of new schools were built, primary education was made free and compulsory, and women were given equal civil and political rights, while the burden of taxation on peasants was reduced.[3] His government also carried out an extensive policy ofTurkification.[4][5][6][7] The principles of Atatürk's reforms, upon which modern Turkey was established, are referred to as Kemalism."
The vast majority of todays citizens of Turkey reject the past secularism of Ataturk and now embrace the return of Islamic culture championed by Pres. Erdogan. ...... :cool:
 
As usual, some extremist site is quoted in an attempt to make more people hate Muslims.
Very fews Jews have been attacked in Turkey, most being because they were bastards, not because they were Jews.
Can you back this up?

Hard to prove a negative.
I've tried to find evidence of serious attacks against Jews in that country, but can find nothing at all.
I found a few individual attacks, but little to suggest these people were attacked for being Jewish, and there are no reliable reports of any major violence against any Jews.
If there was such violence, the US press would be all over it, but they seem to have nothing.

If I'm wrong, missing serious incidents of mass Jewish beatings, removal of Jewish property by the state, or any of the other trappings of an anti Jewish government, perhaps you could post evidence to show it.

It is clear the Turkish government are pissed off with Israel, but that isn't evidence of being anti Jewish, just anti Israel.
 
The vast majority of todays citizens of Turkey reject the past secularism of Ataturk and now embrace the return of Islamic culture championed by Pres. Erdogan. ...... :cool:

Governments do lots of things, but that doesn't mean the moves are popular with the people.
Perhaps you could post evidence to show the Turkish people support this ideal, not just the government.
 
Ataturk was infatuated with the west and wanted Turkey to ditch its cultural history and become totally european.

Now after decades of being denied entrance into the EU boys club. The citizens of Turkey have woken up and realized they have a glorious Islamic heritage and don't need to become european clones.

President Erdogan has tapped into Turkey's cultural revival. Which has made him very popular with the people ..... :cool:
 
Ataturk was infatuated with the west and wanted Turkey to ditch its cultural history and become totally european.

Now after decades of being denied entrance into the EU boys club. The citizens of Turkey have woken up and realized they have a glorious Islamic heritage and don't need to become european clones.

President Erdogan has tapped into Turkey's cultural revival. Which has made him very popular with the people ..... :cool:

and yet turkey wanted to be part of the EU. Maybe it was the shift away from secular attitude that keeps them on the outside.
 
and yet turkey wanted to be part of the EU. Maybe it was the shift away from secular attitude that keeps them on the outside.
Turkey had been trying to gain membership in the EU for decades. Long before this current shift from secularism to an Islamic revival.

Basically, the EU boys didn't want a non christian (muslim) nation in the club. ...... :cool:
 
...The vast majority of todays citizens of Turkey reject the past secularism of Ataturk and now embrace the return of Islamic culture championed by Pres. Erdogan. ...... :cool:
If true, then we can expect to see Turkey forever banned from joining the EU, kicked out of NATO within 10 years, and at-war with The West in 20.

Bring it.
 
As usual, some extremist site is quoted in an attempt to make more people hate Muslims.
Very fews Jews have been attacked in Turkey, most being because they were bastards, not because they were Jews.
Can you back this up?

Hard to prove a negative.
I've tried to find evidence of serious attacks against Jews in that country, but can find nothing at all.
I found a few individual attacks, but little to suggest these people were attacked for being Jewish, and there are no reliable reports of any major violence against any Jews.
If there was such violence, the US press would be all over it, but they seem to have nothing.

If I'm wrong, missing serious incidents of mass Jewish beatings, removal of Jewish property by the state, or any of the other trappings of an anti Jewish government, perhaps you could post evidence to show it.

It is clear the Turkish government are pissed off with Israel, but that isn't evidence of being anti Jewish, just anti Israel.

You said "Very few Jews have been attacked in Turkey, most being because they were bastards, not because they were Jews."

How did you come to this conclusion ?
 
The vast majority of todays citizens of Turkey reject the past secularism of Ataturk and now embrace the return of Islamic culture championed by Pres. Erdogan. ...... :cool:

Governments do lots of things, but that doesn't mean the moves are popular with the people.
Perhaps you could post evidence to show the Turkish people support this ideal, not just the government.

Whom would one ask? I knew lots of Iranians in the 60s thru 1979------all of them were against the ayatoilet Khomeini when he popped up------even if they disliked the Shah-----most did not actually dislike the Shah----but did have serious
reservations------yet the filthy Ayatoilets did win------they just did not win the TEHERAN vote---where the educated people
lived---they won the popular vote------the dimwits out in the sticks. I have a Turkish relative-----at least he was born in Turkey but migrated to Israel decades ago------in any case I did discuss that matter with him ---a few years ago commenting that generally turks are "not that stupid"-----he disagreed------"PLENTY STUPID" Even back then---which was a bit before Erdogan chose to pick up the "CALIPH" role------he was convinced that Turkey was falling in to the cesspit of shariah
 

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