Jewish cavalry crush protesters under hoof

[Zincwarrior]

I see the tiel and think 'the last people that worried about Jewish cavalry were the Romans.'

 

[AnOrangeCat]

If this is sarcasm you need to somehow indicate it. If not, you need to seek psychiatric help.

So if some masked guy got out of an unmarked SUV wearing no identification and put handcuffs on you and shoved you into the back of SUV, you would comply?

How do you know that guy's not a serial killer? Or a human trafficker?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Congratulations on earning an "ignore" status. No one that stupid should be posting on a public forum. Seek help immediately. You are suffering from TDS.

Bye Felicia.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Congratulations on earning an "ignore" status. No one that stupid should be posting on a public forum. Seek help immediately. You are suffering from TDS.

You've said I'm stupid without even bothering to make the case that you aren't.

Truth is, you don't know what you're talking about at all, and the fact that I do scares you so much that you literally have to block it from appearing on your screen because it will make you flame out.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

If this is sarcasm you need to somehow indicate it. If not, you need to seek psychiatric help.

Hey also, the tactic of laugh reacting comments that aren't funny isn't something new you came up with. You stole it from someone else because it was effective against you.

 

[Cassandro]

and how is that like Israel?

Both countries have split religious and sectarian factions.

 

[fncceo]

Wait - you're defending ICE? Why?

Because they’re enforcing the law of the land?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Because they’re enforcing the law of the land?

So if some masked guy got out of an unmarked SUV claiming to be ICE but wearing no identification, and put handcuffs on you and shoved you into the back of the SUV, you would comply?

 

[fncceo]

So if some masked guy got out of an unmarked SUV wearing no identification and put handcuffs on you and shoved you into the back of SUV, you would comply?

If I was doing something that got me arrested by an plain-clothes policeman, yes, I would.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

If I was doing something that got me arrested by an plain-clothes policeman, yes, I would.

Plain-clothes police carry badges and don't hide their faces.

ICE doesn't do either.

So if some guy claiming to be ICE hopped out of an SUV and grabbed you and threw you into the back of the truck with no explanation, you would comply?

 

[fncceo]

Plain-clothes police carry badges and don't hide their faces.

ICE doesn't do either.

So if some guy claiming to be ICE hopped out of an SUV and grabbed you and threw you into the back of the truck with no explanation, you would comply?

In fact, ICE officers carry badges as Federal officers. However, NO officer from Federal to local law enforcement are required to show a badge prior to an arrest. Once the suspect is secured, the situation is stabilized, or uniform backup arrives, the officers will inform the arrested individual of the reasons for their arrest.

That is for the safety of the public and officer safety.

The notion that police MUST identify themselves prior to arrest or detainment is PURE Hollywood.

And all officers are allowed to wear facial coverings to protect themselves. This is a common practice when making arrests in situations where there is a risk to officer safety.

 

[Mac-7]

It's not immigration enforcement. It's not law enforcement. It's violating the Constitutional right of due process. It's not up to ICE to determine if someone broke the law, and it isn't up to ICE to deny someone due process over suspicions and profiling.

If detainees are denied due process, then it's not "enforcing the law", it's kidnapping.

Thats utter nonsense

ICE keeps requesting that illegal aliens being held in local jails be turned over to them instead of being released on the streets

Thats premeditated lawlessness by liberals

 

[fncceo]

It's not up to ICE to determine if someone broke the law, and it isn't up to ICE to deny someone due process over suspicions and profiling.

For someone whom I assume has been arrested before, you seem to have very little idea of just how that process works.

Police can detain or arrest someone on the reasonable suspicion that they are or have committed an offense. This can be something as simple as speeding or expired registration up to murder.

Police identify, arrest, and investigate their suspicion and based on what they find they either charge or release the suspect.

It is well established by centuries of case law that law enforcement can detain or arrest a suspect based on a reasonable suspicion. That is not a violation of The Constitution or anyone's civil rights as long as that arrest is made with reasonable force (in response to the suspect's resistance) and the arrestee can make application for bail at the most practical time.

Due process begins when the determination is made to charge the suspect. A bail determination is made (by a judge, not a cop) and the judge decides if they receive bail, the amount of the surety (if any), or if they are subject to PTD. The judge bases this decision on risk to the community, risk of committing further offenses, risk of not appearing to trial, and risk to the suspect if incarcerated pre-trial.

This isn't special to ICE, this applies to Law Enforcement in every town, city, county, and state, and, in fact, most countries.

 

[yidnar]

You do know that many local police and sheriffs offices are refusing to comply with this, correct?

So do you send the Gestapo -er, um I mean ICE- at them?

Are you going to use the jackboot of the government to go after police departments and local law enforcement who don't comply? And what's gonna happen to them if they refuse? Fire them all and replace them with loyalists?

Marxist lies and propaganda ..

 

[fncceo]

what's gonna happen to them if they refuse? Fire them all and replace them with loyalists?

Local and state police will work with Federal LE as closely as their management - who is very often not a cop but a political appointee - allows them.

You won’t find a lot of rank and file cops who are antagonistic to ICE, Border Patrol, or any other Federal LE.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

In fact, ICE officers carry badges as Federal officers. However, NO officer from Federal to local law enforcement are required to show a badge prior to an arrest. Once the suspect is secured, the situation is stabilized, or uniform backup arrives, the officers will inform the arrested individual of the reasons for their arrest.

ICE doesn't wear uniforms, so anyone could just say they're an ICE agent and you'd get into their car voluntarily?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Thats utter nonsense

No it's not. If some masked guy hopped out of an unmarked SUV claiming to be ICE (But not providing any identification) and slapped cuffs on you and shoved you into the back of that SUV because they think you look suspicious, would you comply with that order?

ICE keeps requesting that illegal aliens being held in local jails be turned over to them instead of being released on the streets

Right, and law enforcement isn't doing that because it's unconstitutional. When local law enforcement picks them up, they are taken to the local jails and given access to legal representation because that's a requirement they follow. ICE doesn't do that, so they are violating the civil rights of everyone they pick up, citizen or not...and they have picked up multiple citizens by profiling (which is also a civil rights violation)

Thats premeditated lawlessness by liberals

No, it's police departments actually complying with the law, particularly those pesky 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendments.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

For someone whom I assume has been arrested before, you seem to have very little idea of just how that process works.

After you are arrested, what happens? You get booked, they give you the phone call, and allow you to get a lawyer, and then you have a preliminary hearing in front of a judge where you can plead guilty or not guilty.

ICE does not follow that process.

ICE is making the judgment themselves based on profiling. THAT is a violation of civil rights, and that is exactly the reason why citizens are being illegally detained.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Police identify, arrest, and investigate their suspicion and based on what they find they either charge or release the suspect.

NO!

Police don't make the charge arbitrarily. Typically, courts issue warrants for arrests. Especially if ICE is going somewhere specific to kidnap people.

But ICE does not have warrants.

It is well established by centuries of case law that law enforcement can detain or arrest a suspect based on a reasonable suspicion

It is not a violation of The Constitution or anyone's civil rights as long as that arrest is made with reasonable force (in response to the suspect's resistance) and the arrestee can make application for bail at the most practical time.

Right, but that suspicion cannot be over their race, gender, age, sexuality, religion, national origin, veterans status, disability, pregnancy, and genetics. Racial profiling is most definitely a form of discrimination and the reason why citizens are ending up in ICE concentration camps.

It is not a violation of The Constitution or anyone's civil rights as long as that arrest is made with reasonable force (in response to the suspect's resistance) and the arrestee can make application for bail at the most practical time.

No. There has to be a reason for the detainment and that reason cannot be profiling. It's not about the force used to arrest someone, it's the act of arresting someone without evidence that is the problem, and why citizens are getting caught up in this too.

Due process begins when the determination is made to charge the suspect.

Right, but ICE isn't allowing these people to be charged in court. ICE is acting like the judge. That's why all of this is basically one giant civil rights violation.

A bail determination is made (by a judge, not a cop) and the judge decides if they receive bail, the amount of the surety (if any), or if they are subject to PTD.

Right, but ICE isn't doing that. They are skipping this step. They are not appearing in front of judges. That's the whole point.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Marxist lies and propaganda ..

BO-RING