I've Been Shot

[yidnar]

I think it is great he got the 'jab.'
I want everyone to get vaccinated.
Don't you?

What I questioned was this...................You still don't believe in the vaccine (the great trump vaccine) yet you cowered down and 'played it safe.' Post #13.............

on something you don't believe in.

i may be vaxxed or i may not be vaxxed ... you havent heard me criticize anyone for taking of not taking the vaccine ... i dont blame Biden for the 200 bthousand deaths since took office either ...unlike the left i place the blame where it truly belongs CHINA !

 

[yidnar]

 

[toobfreak]

What are you talking about.

I'm not talking about anything, I'm answering you.

They said they don't trust trumps word.
They said they would be first in line IFF the Doctors said it was safe.
They trust the vaccine (trumps not creating it), they don't trust trumps word.

What they said speaks for itself. They shouldn't need an interpreter.

The media took Trump out of context 10,000 times and no democrat ever complained.

Trump never told anyone to inject disinfectant or Clorox, he was just rambling to the media throwing things out there off the cuff which might be looked at for potential value as a laymen because the media wouldn't let up pressuring him for endless comments.

Donald didn't get easy or friendly/supportive questions like Little Joey does.

 

[toobfreak]

most of the elderly are vaccinated and the majority of the elderly vote republican ... vaccinations are lagging with people of color and the youth .. in reality the % of dems and repubs not getting vaxxed is probably about the same % ... and exactly how has the left determined the political affiliation of those that are vaxxed ? is political affiliation a question asked by heathcare workers before they vaxx you ? its just more leftist division ..

YOU GOT IT!

 

[Winco]

Idiot. Flags are the banner of each country. It establishes domain, identity and territory.


Your a globalist socialist idiot. You have pudding for gray matter. No sense trying to discuss with an idiot.

Post #538

Winco said:
You put people down constantly

I never put anyone down. I'm actually quite equanimous with other reasonable people regardless of their leanings. I only ridicule those few Tards here like you who show nothing but blatant
contempt for anyone who sees differently, that they both deserve and need it.

Post #25, this thread.

Took less than a minute to search one word.
Came back with immediate results.

Now, I'm gonna guess your defense will be......."I meant in this thread." LOOOLOOOLOOLL

 

[toobfreak]

Now, I'm gonna guess your defense will be.......

Dude, why don't you get some help for that insecurity. I'm not going to defend anything much less legitimize it because NO ONE CARES BUT YOU and it doesn't have a thing to do with this thread!

Now I'm going to sleep.

Bye.

 

[Winco]

^^^^^^^^just calling out liars.

You put people down, all the time, then have the gall to say you don't.

 

[9thIDdoc]

I've Been Shot​

Please. Save the histrionics. You did what you thought was best for you under the circumstances. You think soldiers being sent off the fight in the nastiest cess pits imaginable have a choice what immunizations they are required to have? How much choice do you think babies and children are given before being allowed in school? Where do you think smallpox and polio went?

 

[RodISHI]

toobfreak glad to here no glow for you. Good luck.

 

[OldLady]

I'm not a young guy anymore and I have some serious health issues that SHOULD have been addressed a YEAR ago!---- in the hospital with tests and/or maybe surgeries. This whole thing with Covid just drags on and on. I'm afraid that it is placing me in a rather sticky widget where:

1. I will be forced around doctors, offices and hospital facilities soon whether I want to or not, the LAST place I want to be, and get Covid from them.
2. I will be discriminated against, denied, shunned or persecuted for NOT getting the vaccine.

Clearly, people are being FORCED to make decisions against their better judgement, and there are a great many concerns, questions and doubts about Covid and the vax.

It's a personal decision that no one has proven affects others that every person ought to be FREE to make. But I didn't feel very free.

It's not that Covid isn't real, just that the risks have been politically exaggerated. It's not that the vax doesn't help or work, just that you are being asked to take something that HAS caused many to get very ill, isn't even approved by the FDA and which you have no legal recourse if it hurts you.

I finally went to see my doctor the other day for the first time in over a year because it could not be avoided. I resolved that it was counterproductive to expose myself to places where sick people were going in and out the door 50 times a day and either was exposing myself to a potential Covid infection that under my circumstances might be a serious event for me, or expose myself to growing friction, discrimination, frustration, scorn and obstinance from doctors, medical staff and society in general.

The nurse at my doctors office insisted I get the 15 minute antigen Covid test. She sneered when I told her it was a waste of time that I couldn't possibly have Covid. And the results indeed came back negative. I told her I could have told her that with my eyes closed. She sneered again. They made me wear a stupid cheap mask while there and I wonder if my test had come back positive whether my doctor would have refused me treatment for being sick? Everyone's an irrational asshole these days.

So I relented and called my pharmacist buddy up and told him I wanted the shot. So I got the Moderna vaccine yesterday.

I had to fill out papers essentially giving away all my rights. I rationalized that if I haven't gotten sick from Covid yet, I probably never will, and if the Vaccine hasn't hurt most people, it wouldn't likely hurt me, and mostly nothing ever bothers me. I'm generally as tough as dried leather. I don't like any of this but I know when one is fighting against diminished returns.

I was told the shot would leave my arm sore, that if I had a bad reaction to the vaccine, it would come on near immediately, and to hang around for 15 minutes before driving. I had the pharmacist come out and give me the shot as I waiting in the parking lot in my car.

I rationalized that if nothing else, it would free my life up a bit and make things easier with one thing left not to worry about.

Nothing at all happened in my 15 minute wait there, but by last night, my arm where I got the shot was indeed sore. Like I had gotten a knuckle punch there. Other than that, I'm fine.

So that's it. I still feel Covid is a huge political football with questions of its origins and how last year was handled that beg to be answered, and I don't like getting the Covid shot at all, but I felt I had to make the best decision for myself and take my chances. I'm probably at low risk to get the virus now (more so in a month to six weeks) and probably at a low risk to get ill from the vaccine.

But I also felt that it would be dishonest and hypocritical not to admit getting it. But I'm in no way advocating for the shot, each person must look at their individual circumstance and make that decision for THEMSELVES.

I don't glow under UV light and I haven't sprouted a third head. But that doesn't make what has gone on for the past 16 months OK, neither.

More power to you whatever your decision. May you not get Covid or have a bad reaction to the vaxx whether you decide to get the shot or not. If I were ten years younger and in better health not likely to soon be at ground zero with doctors and hospitals, there is no way I would have ever agreed to get the vaccine.

Good for you, Toob! Glad you had no side effects.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

the sheep will follow their master to hell. I will forever refuse to take the mark, this covid BS is a test run to see how much the sheep can a will be controlled.

Wtf, lol! The mark of the beast, Do you not read your bible at all?

The mark of the beast comes during the mid point of the tribulation, a period of seven years. The tribulation occurs after the rapture. Neither has happened yet so this vaccine is not and will not be the "Mark of the Beast" as described in Revelation. If you are being metaphorical, then okay.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

unlike the left i place the blame where it truly belongs CHINA !

That's dumb. The blame for the ongoing pandemic goes squarely on the unvaccinated.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Medical professionals?
Just like any field, healthcare and medical research has it's share of contrarians that always have a tendency to go against commonly excepted medical views. I have run across a few and I stay clear of them. When you're looking for medical advice look to respective medical institutions, not just individuals. The advice they give you is going to be base on solid medical research which has been reviewed by their peers and proven in the real world. You can count on institution like the National Institute of Health, John Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, and a number of organization that are regarded as best to give you the most accurate information available.

There are several irrefutable facts about the effectiveness and safety of these vaccines are. Hospital after hospital report 90%, 95%, 100% of all corvid-19 patients admitted are unvaccinated. And as far as safety, do the math. Over 340 million doses given with only 1 confirmed death due to the vaccine.

Or you could forget all the science and math and just follow the age old duck test, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Two of the medical professionals I spoke with are at the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville.

Please cite your source for your stat of 1 confirmed death out of 340,000,000 doses given...

 

[toobfreak]

^^^^^^^^just calling out liars.

You put people down, all the time, then have the gall to say you don't.

Idiot, I never said I don't call out liars. In fact, I do it all the time. When people blatantly lie over and over or play endless stupid juvenile games like you, I definitely assign them a name and start hammering them back with their own stupid nonsense hoping to beat some sense into them. Congrats, you are now Winny. Take your meds.

 

[Winco]

I never put anyone down.

Idiot, I never said I don't call out liars. In fact, I do it all the time.

Which one is it?

 

[Flopper]

Clearly it is NOT a lie. For weeks now, I've heard nothing but ATTACKS, ACCUSATIONS, and THREATS of either pending FORCE or being SHUNNING by and BARRED from society, all the way from Biddum and other officials all the way down to many people here, for simply exercising one's free choice in their own bodies as they best saw fit. Are you really that stupid that you don't think that this puts PRESSURE on people? Pressure is force. Pressure on some people to GIVE IN. Pressure on others to redouble their efforts to stand firm.

People not yet willing to get vaxxed are not to be blamed for anything, the responsibility lies with others like you to convince them it is something in their interest they should WANT to do.

In light of Covid, I'd say that Joe Biddum and the vaxxed Left have been ONE. COLOSSAL. FAILURE. I mean, if you can't convince people a vaccine is a GOOD thing in the midst of a pandemic with thousands dying, our officials have royally FUCKED UP in their most basic duty.

Shunning and barring people from society that are judge to be spreading a disease is as old as epidemics. During plagues of middle ages, families of the dying were driven from the villages and cities. In epidemics of cholera. the homes of the sick were burned. In Spain in mist of Spanish influenza, those that did not quarantine were jailed. Today, we are accomplishing the same thing but in more humane manner and based on science. If a business wants to bar a segment of the population that is carrying a dangerous virus it is their right to do so just as it is the right of those unvaccinated to remain so.

 

[Rigby5]

I've Been Shot​

Please. Save the histrionics. You did what you thought was best for you under the circumstances. You think soldiers being sent off the fight in the nastiest cess pits imaginable have a choice what immunizations they are required to have? How much choice do you think babies and children are given before being allowed in school? Where do you think smallpox and polio went?

Totally irrelevant.
Traditional vaccines that are fully tested and FDA approved, are nothing like these experimental GMO mRNA vaccines.
Even the military is NOT mandating these risky mRNA vaccines.

 

[Rigby5]

That's dumb. The blame for the ongoing pandemic goes squarely on the unvaccinated.

I disagree.
Even if the unvaccinated get infected, they can't harm the vaccinated, and once infected, they are even more immune than the vaccinated.
So no, it is not the unvaccinated that are causing the problem.
I think the problem is coming entirely and completely from "flattening the curve", which slows down the infection rate, giving it more time to spread further and wider than it normally would have.
Consider "flattening the curve" as conserving hosts, as if every 12 days when the virus has to find a new host, you land a ship full of tourists host in order to keep the virus alive.
To achieve herd immunity, you need host burn out. All the available local hosts have to get used up.
The vaccines don't do this nearly as well as simply getting infected.

 

[Rigby5]

Shunning and barring people from society that are judge to be spreading a disease is as old as epidemics. During plagues of middle ages, families of the dying were driven from the villages and cities. In epidemics of cholera. the homes of the sick were burned. In Spain in mist of Spanish influenza, those that did not quarantine were jailed. Today, we are accomplishing the same thing but in more humane manner and based on science. If a business wants to bar a segment of the population that is carrying a dangerous virus it is their right to do so just as it is the right of those unvaccinated to remain so.

Shunning and barring is an old and common superstition, but it is only a good idea if the lethality of the disease if very high, like Ebola.
If the lethality is not high, like covid-19, then it is quicker and better to do variolation on volunteers.

The middle ages were ignorant, and unproductive.
Bubonic plague was not passed by other people, but by rodents, fleas, ticks, and lice.
Cholera is not passed by other people, but by contaminated water.
The Spanish flu "social distancing" with masks is what kept the simple 1 month flu around and deadly for over 2 years.

The point is what they did was wrong, stupid, and totally counter productive.
For us to continue these stupid and counter productive things is irrational, and NOT science based at all.

I don't care what businesses do.
But we really should not be calling these mRNA contrivances "vaccines".
They are not in any conventional sense of the word.

 

[toobfreak]

Shunning and barring people from society that are judge to be spreading a disease is as old as epidemics. During plagues of middle ages, families of the dying were driven from the villages and cities. In epidemics of cholera. the homes of the sick were burned. In Spain in mist of Spanish influenza, those that did not quarantine were jailed. Today, we are accomplishing the same thing but in more humane manner and based on science. If a business wants to bar a segment of the population that is carrying a dangerous virus it is their right to do so just as it is the right of those unvaccinated to remain so.

But this isn't the Middle Ages. We don't believe in bad spirits anymore. With so many already vaccinated, Covid was going down, now it is going back up anyway and that all can't be ascribed to just a new variant nor to just "Trump Supporters."

It is actually easy to control a pandemic, if you are willing to take draconian measures. What is hard and what the government has thus far failed to do, for all the BILLIONS they say they spend studying these things, is to offer a viable means and solution which is practical and works for all, not just the compulsively compliant, because believe it or not, those unwilling to get the vaccine does not mean they are suddenly "bad people" and social outcasts, yet we are treating them exactly that way.