Issues on which I disagree with the right

[dblack]

Conservatism comes with maturity and the acceptance of personal responsibility.

Nah, that's just a stick up your ass.

Liberalism is the ideology of the childlike mind: Gimme stuff for free, you're a meanie, its all the other guys fault, please take care of me and give me an allowance, etc. Unfortunately the parent in the Liberal world is an authoritarian government that controls you the same why a parent controls a child.

You have some wild misconceptions about libertarian thought. Maybe do some reading?

 

[OKTexas]

He asked, in the 480th response to my OP.

And in the vein of the commies, you deflect, go figure.

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[Ray From Cleveland]

Nah, that's just a stick up your ass.

You have some wild misconceptions about libertarian thought. Maybe do some reading?

Is liberalism the same thing as libertarianism in your mind?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

LOL - you owe me a keyboard. I just spit my drink all over.

I told you, I'm not voting for your shitty candidate. Period. And no, it's NOT my fault you stupid bastards keep voting for bad leaders.

And that's fine, but again, don't bitch about something you had the opportunity to help stop.

 

[dblack]

Is liberalism the same thing as libertarianism in your mind?

That's not my understanding of the terms, no. They're different things. But i have no idea how you're defining then.

 

[dblack]

And that's fine, but again, don't bitch about something you had the opportunity to help stop.

No. As long as people like you keep voting for bad candidates, on purpose, because you're afraid, I'm gonna keep bitching.

 

[Seymour Flops]

And in the vein of the commies, you deflect, go figure.

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Doesn't "deflect" imply that you made some logical argument that I was unable to respond to?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's not my understanding of the terms, no. They're different things. But i have no idea how you're defining then.

I was asking because OldG was talking about liberalism, and you chimed in saying

You have some wild misconceptions about libertarian thought. Maybe do some reading?

One could only assume you think both are the same thing.

 

[dblack]

I was asking because OldG was talking about liberalism, and you chimed in saying



One could only assume you think both are the same thing.

Indeed, I misread. Probably should have skipped the third drink at happy hour. Apologies to Old G and anyone reading.

 

[OKTexas]

Doesn't "deflect" imply that you made some logical argument that I was unable to respond to?

So demonstrating you can read and repeat a post #, something any moron with a 65 IQ could do BTW, was somehow responsive to the question asked? Really???????

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[Seymour Flops]

So demonstrating you can read and repeat a post #, something any moron with a 65 IQ could do BTW, was somehow responsive to the question asked? Really???????

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Was it really a serious question?

Ok.

No, thanks. I don't need a quarter to call someone who cares, as the high number of responses to the thread (and your own obsession with it), indicates.

 

[Michael1985]

This can be the start of debate, or just a bit of disclaimer for me.

I'm libertarian. As I predicted in the introductions thread, I seem to be disagreeing with progressives/leftists on here and thus may appear to some of you to be right-wing. So, here's where I'm not right-wing:

Pretty much any right-wing belief that opposes liberty or equality of opportunity, or that favors government involvement in areas in which the government should butt out.

So - even though I wish there were far fewer abortions, or even no abortions - I don't favor banning them.

I don't favor prayers in public schools, because I think the 1A does not allow government officials to establish a religion in a tax-funded institution.

As a libertarian, I'd like to see government get out of the business of licensing marriage, but if they do license marriage, it should be available to all sexes, all perceived genders and in any number - barring under-age marriage. Libertarianism is for adults.

I don't favor the war on drugs.

I don't favor the wars in the middle-east.

I don't favor going to war to protect Taiwan.

The MIC has been wagging the dog far to long, IMHO.

Any reasonable person has policy areas where he or she disagrees with the views espoused by the ideology with which that person mostly identifies. People on the left don't view absolutely everything from the left, and the same can be said for the right.

 

[lennypartiv]

Pretty much any right-wing belief that opposes liberty or equality of opportunity, or that favors government involvement in areas in which the government should butt out.

I don't favor prayers in public schools, because I think the 1A does not allow government officials to establish a religion in a tax-funded institution.

As a libertarian, I'd like to see government get out of the business of licensing marriage, but if they do license marriage, it should be available to all sexes, all perceived genders and in any number - barring under-age marriage. Libertarianism is for adults.

I don't favor the war on drugs.

So you are a RINO. You aren't any better than Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger.

 

[lennypartiv]

Nope.

Whine all you want about third party voters. But you're not getting our votes until you produce decent candidates.

Lots of quality candidates in the Republican party. Trump, DeSantis, and Noem just to name a few. Even Boebert, Jordan, Gaetz, and Greene are better than anything the Democrats have to offer.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Any reasonable person has policy areas where he or she disagrees with the views espoused by the ideology with which that person mostly identifies. People on the left don't view absolutely everything from the left, and the same can be said for the right.

I beg to differ, here is Joe Manchin denying the progressives movement towards Socialism(radical lefties) and they hate Joe's guts because he wont budge. That is fanatical thinking.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Any reasonable person has policy areas where he or she disagrees with the views espoused by the ideology with which that person mostly identifies. People on the left don't view absolutely everything from the left, and the same can be said for the right.

Yes, that is true. Unfortunately for the purpose or rational debate, too many people cannot see past their party's list of correct opinions.

So you are a RINO. You aren't any better than Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger.

RINO = Republican In Name Only. I don't name myself a Republican, I name myself a Libertarian.

If you called me a LINO because of some topic on which I don't follow the LIbertarian Party line to the letter, you would have a more logical point. I would disagree with it, for reasons discussed above, but it would make more sense than RINO.

 

[jc456]

Nope.

Whine all you want about third party voters. But you're not getting our votes until you produce decent candidates.

Provide your policy need’s

 

[jc456]

I beg to differ, here is Joe Manchin denying the progressives movement towards Socialism(radical lefties) and they hate Joe's guts because he wont budge. That is fanatical thinking.

Just shows it’s demofks way or no way, comprising for the good of all isn’t allowed. The evidence is exploding for all to see. That’s evil dictatorship

 

[Rigby5]

Any reasonable person has policy areas where he or she disagrees with the views espoused by the ideology with which that person mostly identifies. People on the left don't view absolutely everything from the left, and the same can be said for the right.

No, it is not a question of disagree or agree as if each is a separate choice.
There is a basic rational, that then logically leads to all correct results.
If one realizes law can ONLY defend rights from abuses by others, then all choices are logically defined.
There is no personal options involved.
And Libertarians are correct that coercive government is generally wrong, except the limited cases where defense of rights of others is necessary.
As a far left, progressive, liberal, I only disagree with Libertarians in that big business can cause economic abuses in addition to legal abuses of individuals, so I believe in some economic regulations that Libertarians likely do not.
Like labors laws, union protections, trust busting, anti-monopolies, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

This can be the start of debate, or just a bit of disclaimer for me.

I'm libertarian. As I predicted in the introductions thread, I seem to be disagreeing with progressives/leftists on here and thus may appear to some of you to be right-wing. So, here's where I'm not right-wing:

Pretty much any right-wing belief that opposes liberty or equality of opportunity, or that favors government involvement in areas in which the government should butt out.

So - even though I wish there were far fewer abortions, or even no abortions - I don't favor banning them.

I don't favor prayers in public schools, because I think the 1A does not allow government officials to establish a religion in a tax-funded institution.

As a libertarian, I'd like to see government get out of the business of licensing marriage, but if they do license marriage, it should be available to all sexes, all perceived genders and in any number - barring under-age marriage. Libertarianism is for adults.

I don't favor the war on drugs.

I don't favor the wars in the middle-east.

I don't favor going to war to protect Taiwan.

The MIC has been wagging the dog far to long, IMHO.

I am far left, progressive, liberal, but we generally agree.
I would add I also disagree with any federal gun control, think the FDA should only be advisory, etc.