CDZ Is Slavery America's Original Sin?

[otto105]

If slavery had existed for 150 years before the creation of the United States, how can it be described as our original sin? The answer is that it can't be blamed on our country unless you miraculously reset the date of its creation to 1619, when the first African slaves were sold to British colonialists in Jamestown. The principal reason for buying African slaves was their natural resistance to malaria., which was killing off the European workers in the Southern Colonies. Once purchased, they became an indispensable asset to labor intensive agriculture in those colonies.

Slavery was never popular in the Northern Colonies, and abolitionist movements began to spring up in the mid 1700s. However, resentment of the British government's authoritarian policies was also building and finally erupted into the War for Independence from Great Britain. After winning that war, the Colonies realized that their independence could not be protected unless a common government was formed. A proposed Constitution was hotly debated among the former colonies, and was ratified only after allowing the southern States to retain slavery in return for accepting joint responsibility for the war debts that had been accrued.

This compromise enabled the creation of the United States, but did not end the ever-growing abolitionist movement which culminated in the Civil War. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died in that conflagration, and it is an insult to those who died for that cause to now be accused of supporting the institution they fought against. If there is any original sin to be assigned, it was the widespread rape of African women by their slave masters. But this is not and should not be an indictment of the entire United States of America.

https://historicjamestowne.org/history/the-first-africans/

Slavery is humanity's original sin.

It in Kentucky and Tennessee, it’s incest.

 

[harmonica]

If slavery had existed for 150 years before the creation of the United States, how can it be described as our original sin? The answer is that it can't be blamed on our country unless you miraculously reset the date of its creation to 1619, when the first African slaves were sold to British colonialists in Jamestown. The principal reason for buying African slaves was their natural resistance to malaria., which was killing off the European workers in the Southern Colonies. Once purchased, they became an indispensable asset to labor intensive agriculture in those colonies.

Slavery was never popular in the Northern Colonies, and abolitionist movements began to spring up in the mid 1700s. However, resentment of the British government's authoritarian policies was also building and finally erupted into the War for Independence from Great Britain. After winning that war, the Colonies realized that their independence could not be protected unless a common government was formed. A proposed Constitution was hotly debated among the former colonies, and was ratified only after allowing the southern States to retain slavery in return for accepting joint responsibility for the war debts that had been accrued.

This compromise enabled the creation of the United States, but did not end the ever-growing abolitionist movement which culminated in the Civil War. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died in that conflagration, and it is an insult to those who died for that cause to now be accused of supporting the institution they fought against. If there is any original sin to be assigned, it was the widespread rape of African women by their slave masters. But this is not and should not be an indictment of the entire United States of America.

https://historicjamestowne.org/history/the-first-africans/

Hove you read the Constitution and it’s proclaimed values and compared that to actions at the time?

That would help you.

Yep....slavery has existed Throughout the entire history of mankind, our Constitution finally put down in words how we would be different from the rest of the planet, by ending slavery and stating that all men are created equal.........since Europe and Africa brought slavery to America, we had to deal with it....and we did........we ended slavery with bloodshed....and have been working to create our ideals in this country....all the while, the democrat party, from it's very creation, has been fighting to keep racism and hate alive.

The Democratic Party included the Dixiecrats until the republic party decided they wanted them.

Enjoy them. They have made the GOP into a new dumber party.

And that is not true or accurate......

The dixiecrats stayed democrats.....they never changed sides.....the lie of the great party switch on racism is just that, a lie....the democrat party never abandoned it's racism and violence, as we see today as joe biden voters burned and looted cities, beat and murdered Americans and as the democrat party, today, seeks to resegregate society based on race.....

Don't try to deny what any 3rd grade kid can plainly see.

3rd Graders are smarter than that.......given the truth, they will see that the democrat party has been and still is the party of racism and hate...

Sure, sure.

Which party in 2020 is still bitching about all those African-American votes from urban areas.

Which party will again move to suppress voters in urban areas.

Which party has a president who retweets from racist alt-right websites and call neo-nazi protesters fine people?

Which party president pushed for and signed the Civil Rights bills?

Which party is david duke a current member of?


Why do you support the party of dumb?

David Duke ---WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO
what party has members that commit HATE crimes at the highest rate?? ??? Dems

Offenders

ucr.fbi.gov

.....which party has members that commit MURDER at FOUR times the rate??? commit INTERRACIAL murder at TEN TIMES the rate!!!!!!??????
Dems:

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

ucr.fbi.gov

white supremacists murder less than 10 per year
Obama's people murder over 3000 per year
Obama's people rape at TWICE the rate

Perpetrators of Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN

Three out of four rapes are committed by someone known to the victim.

www.rainn.org

The Long List of Killings Committed by White Extremists Since the Oklahoma City Bombing

White supremacist James Fields Jr. appears to have intentionally run over Heather Heyer in Virginia on Aug. 12.

slate.com

Great here we go with the false equivalence straw man.

The trump FBI has called rightwing domestic violence the greatest terror threat facing America.

Yet, you compare gang violence directly to Obama like as a black man responsible for the entire race. The south has a term for that...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHH--woooooooooooooooo
no strawman--FACTS!! and not from the MSM--those are FACTS
no, not comparing gang violence/etc

Is trump responsible for the actions of every white person who has committed violence?

hold on there
you are talking about which party has the EVIL people!!
YOU are the one who brought up party affiliation

I’m sorry, but you clearly not up to this forum.

It hasn't stopped him yet. ROTFLMAO!

View attachment 435558

I provide proof for my claims --you people provide babble crap

Our proof is our 8th grade education..apparently you missed some classes.

no--you have NO proof
'''instructed to DISRUPT the meetings of political opponents''''
etc
.......I have a lot of German [ nazi ] memorabilia --brought home by my Uncle who fought in WW2

Your “uncle” or his memorabilia has nothing to do with your lack of understanding about Nazi history.

If you can’t make a point about BLM protests without Nazi references you should not be posting in this thread.

so, you brought up the EVIl stuff the ''Republicans'' do
I have question for you:
===what do you think of the Dems [ blacks ] committing HATE crimes at twice the rate of whites??--that blew your mind, didn't it??
..or Dems [ blacks ] murdering whites at TEN times the rate of vice versa??
blew your mind, didn't it
----all the LIES and bullshit about white supremacists/EVIL whites/EVIL Republicans

2019 hate crimes reported by FBI
Known Offenders

• In the UCR Program, the term known offender does not imply that the suspect’s identity is known; rather, the term indicates that some aspect of the suspect was identified, thus distinguishing the suspect from an unknown offender. Law enforcement agencies specify the number of offenders and, when possible, the race of the offender or offenders as a group. Beginning in 2013, law enforcement began reporting whether suspects were juveniles or adults, as well as the suspect’s ethnicity when possible.
  • Of the 6,406 known offenders, 52.5% were white, and 23.9% were Black or African American. Other races accounted for the remaining known offenders: 1.1% were American Indian or Alaska Native, 0.9% were Asian, 0.3% were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, and 6.6% were of a group of multiple races. The race was unknown for 14.6%.

It is better to quote figures from official sites than non official sites.

...those are not MSM stats--those are official DOCUMENTED stats
--as stated--blacks commit hate crimes at twice the rate
what's your point??!!!

 

[harmonica]

If slavery had existed for 150 years before the creation of the United States, how can it be described as our original sin? The answer is that it can't be blamed on our country unless you miraculously reset the date of its creation to 1619, when the first African slaves were sold to British colonialists in Jamestown. The principal reason for buying African slaves was their natural resistance to malaria., which was killing off the European workers in the Southern Colonies. Once purchased, they became an indispensable asset to labor intensive agriculture in those colonies.

Slavery was never popular in the Northern Colonies, and abolitionist movements began to spring up in the mid 1700s. However, resentment of the British government's authoritarian policies was also building and finally erupted into the War for Independence from Great Britain. After winning that war, the Colonies realized that their independence could not be protected unless a common government was formed. A proposed Constitution was hotly debated among the former colonies, and was ratified only after allowing the southern States to retain slavery in return for accepting joint responsibility for the war debts that had been accrued.

This compromise enabled the creation of the United States, but did not end the ever-growing abolitionist movement which culminated in the Civil War. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died in that conflagration, and it is an insult to those who died for that cause to now be accused of supporting the institution they fought against. If there is any original sin to be assigned, it was the widespread rape of African women by their slave masters. But this is not and should not be an indictment of the entire United States of America.

https://historicjamestowne.org/history/the-first-africans/

Hove you read the Constitution and it’s proclaimed values and compared that to actions at the time?

That would help you.

Yep....slavery has existed Throughout the entire history of mankind, our Constitution finally put down in words how we would be different from the rest of the planet, by ending slavery and stating that all men are created equal.........since Europe and Africa brought slavery to America, we had to deal with it....and we did........we ended slavery with bloodshed....and have been working to create our ideals in this country....all the while, the democrat party, from it's very creation, has been fighting to keep racism and hate alive.

The Democratic Party included the Dixiecrats until the republic party decided they wanted them.

Enjoy them. They have made the GOP into a new dumber party.

And that is not true or accurate......

The dixiecrats stayed democrats.....they never changed sides.....the lie of the great party switch on racism is just that, a lie....the democrat party never abandoned it's racism and violence, as we see today as joe biden voters burned and looted cities, beat and murdered Americans and as the democrat party, today, seeks to resegregate society based on race.....

Don't try to deny what any 3rd grade kid can plainly see.

3rd Graders are smarter than that.......given the truth, they will see that the democrat party has been and still is the party of racism and hate...

Sure, sure.

Which party in 2020 is still bitching about all those African-American votes from urban areas.

Which party will again move to suppress voters in urban areas.

Which party has a president who retweets from racist alt-right websites and call neo-nazi protesters fine people?

Which party president pushed for and signed the Civil Rights bills?

Which party is david duke a current member of?


Why do you support the party of dumb?

David Duke ---WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO
what party has members that commit HATE crimes at the highest rate?? ??? Dems

Offenders

ucr.fbi.gov

.....which party has members that commit MURDER at FOUR times the rate??? commit INTERRACIAL murder at TEN TIMES the rate!!!!!!??????
Dems:

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

ucr.fbi.gov

white supremacists murder less than 10 per year
Obama's people murder over 3000 per year
Obama's people rape at TWICE the rate

Perpetrators of Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN

Three out of four rapes are committed by someone known to the victim.

www.rainn.org

The Long List of Killings Committed by White Extremists Since the Oklahoma City Bombing

White supremacist James Fields Jr. appears to have intentionally run over Heather Heyer in Virginia on Aug. 12.

slate.com

Great here we go with the false equivalence straw man.

The trump FBI has called rightwing domestic violence the greatest terror threat facing America.

Yet, you compare gang violence directly to Obama like as a black man responsible for the entire race. The south has a term for that...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHH--woooooooooooooooo
no strawman--FACTS!! and not from the MSM--those are FACTS
no, not comparing gang violence/etc

Is trump responsible for the actions of every white person who has committed violence?

hold on there
you are talking about which party has the EVIL people!!
YOU are the one who brought up party affiliation

I’m sorry, but you clearly not up to this forum.

It hasn't stopped him yet. ROTFLMAO!

View attachment 435558

I provide proof for my claims --you people provide babble crap

Our proof is our 8th grade education..apparently you missed some classes.

no--you have NO proof
'''instructed to DISRUPT the meetings of political opponents''''
etc
.......I have a lot of German [ nazi ] memorabilia --brought home by my Uncle who fought in WW2

Your “uncle” or his memorabilia has nothing to do with your lack of understanding about Nazi history.

If you can’t make a point about BLM protests without Nazi references you should not be posting in this thread.

so, you brought up the EVIl stuff the ''Republicans'' do
I have question for you:
===what do you think of the Dems [ blacks ] committing HATE crimes at twice the rate of whites??--that blew your mind, didn't it??
..or Dems [ blacks ] murdering whites at TEN times the rate of vice versa??
blew your mind, didn't it
----all the LIES and bullshit about white supremacists/EVIL whites/EVIL Republicans

2019 hate crimes reported by FBI
Known Offenders

• In the UCR Program, the term known offender does not imply that the suspect’s identity is known; rather, the term indicates that some aspect of the suspect was identified, thus distinguishing the suspect from an unknown offender. Law enforcement agencies specify the number of offenders and, when possible, the race of the offender or offenders as a group. Beginning in 2013, law enforcement began reporting whether suspects were juveniles or adults, as well as the suspect’s ethnicity when possible.
  • Of the 6,406 known offenders, 52.5% were white, and 23.9% were Black or African American. Other races accounted for the remaining known offenders: 1.1% were American Indian or Alaska Native, 0.9% were Asian, 0.3% were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, and 6.6% were of a group of multiple races. The race was unknown for 14.6%.

It is better to quote figures from official sites than non official sites.

ok---you put in bold the stats of white and black offenders----why?? what's your point?
.....be careful now, ..your answer will reveal if you know anything about the subject

 

[Kilroy2]

If slavery had existed for 150 years before the creation of the United States, how can it be described as our original sin? The answer is that it can't be blamed on our country unless you miraculously reset the date of its creation to 1619, when the first African slaves were sold to British colonialists in Jamestown. The principal reason for buying African slaves was their natural resistance to malaria., which was killing off the European workers in the Southern Colonies. Once purchased, they became an indispensable asset to labor intensive agriculture in those colonies.

Slavery was never popular in the Northern Colonies, and abolitionist movements began to spring up in the mid 1700s. However, resentment of the British government's authoritarian policies was also building and finally erupted into the War for Independence from Great Britain. After winning that war, the Colonies realized that their independence could not be protected unless a common government was formed. A proposed Constitution was hotly debated among the former colonies, and was ratified only after allowing the southern States to retain slavery in return for accepting joint responsibility for the war debts that had been accrued.

This compromise enabled the creation of the United States, but did not end the ever-growing abolitionist movement which culminated in the Civil War. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died in that conflagration, and it is an insult to those who died for that cause to now be accused of supporting the institution they fought against. If there is any original sin to be assigned, it was the widespread rape of African women by their slave masters. But this is not and should not be an indictment of the entire United States of America.

https://historicjamestowne.org/history/the-first-africans/

Hove you read the Constitution and it’s proclaimed values and compared that to actions at the time?

That would help you.

Yep....slavery has existed Throughout the entire history of mankind, our Constitution finally put down in words how we would be different from the rest of the planet, by ending slavery and stating that all men are created equal.........since Europe and Africa brought slavery to America, we had to deal with it....and we did........we ended slavery with bloodshed....and have been working to create our ideals in this country....all the while, the democrat party, from it's very creation, has been fighting to keep racism and hate alive.

The Democratic Party included the Dixiecrats until the republic party decided they wanted them.

Enjoy them. They have made the GOP into a new dumber party.

And that is not true or accurate......

The dixiecrats stayed democrats.....they never changed sides.....the lie of the great party switch on racism is just that, a lie....the democrat party never abandoned it's racism and violence, as we see today as joe biden voters burned and looted cities, beat and murdered Americans and as the democrat party, today, seeks to resegregate society based on race.....

Don't try to deny what any 3rd grade kid can plainly see.

3rd Graders are smarter than that.......given the truth, they will see that the democrat party has been and still is the party of racism and hate...

Sure, sure.

Which party in 2020 is still bitching about all those African-American votes from urban areas.

Which party will again move to suppress voters in urban areas.

Which party has a president who retweets from racist alt-right websites and call neo-nazi protesters fine people?

Which party president pushed for and signed the Civil Rights bills?

Which party is david duke a current member of?


Why do you support the party of dumb?

David Duke ---WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO
what party has members that commit HATE crimes at the highest rate?? ??? Dems

Offenders

ucr.fbi.gov

.....which party has members that commit MURDER at FOUR times the rate??? commit INTERRACIAL murder at TEN TIMES the rate!!!!!!??????
Dems:

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

ucr.fbi.gov

white supremacists murder less than 10 per year
Obama's people murder over 3000 per year
Obama's people rape at TWICE the rate

Perpetrators of Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN

Three out of four rapes are committed by someone known to the victim.

www.rainn.org

The Long List of Killings Committed by White Extremists Since the Oklahoma City Bombing

White supremacist James Fields Jr. appears to have intentionally run over Heather Heyer in Virginia on Aug. 12.

slate.com

Great here we go with the false equivalence straw man.

The trump FBI has called rightwing domestic violence the greatest terror threat facing America.

Yet, you compare gang violence directly to Obama like as a black man responsible for the entire race. The south has a term for that...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHH--woooooooooooooooo
no strawman--FACTS!! and not from the MSM--those are FACTS
no, not comparing gang violence/etc

Is trump responsible for the actions of every white person who has committed violence?

hold on there
you are talking about which party has the EVIL people!!
YOU are the one who brought up party affiliation

I’m sorry, but you clearly not up to this forum.

It hasn't stopped him yet. ROTFLMAO!

View attachment 435558

I provide proof for my claims --you people provide babble crap

Our proof is our 8th grade education..apparently you missed some classes.

no--you have NO proof
'''instructed to DISRUPT the meetings of political opponents''''
etc
.......I have a lot of German [ nazi ] memorabilia --brought home by my Uncle who fought in WW2

Your “uncle” or his memorabilia has nothing to do with your lack of understanding about Nazi history.

If you can’t make a point about BLM protests without Nazi references you should not be posting in this thread.

so, you brought up the EVIl stuff the ''Republicans'' do
I have question for you:
===what do you think of the Dems [ blacks ] committing HATE crimes at twice the rate of whites??--that blew your mind, didn't it??
..or Dems [ blacks ] murdering whites at TEN times the rate of vice versa??
blew your mind, didn't it
----all the LIES and bullshit about white supremacists/EVIL whites/EVIL Republicans

2019 hate crimes reported by FBI
Known Offenders

• In the UCR Program, the term known offender does not imply that the suspect’s identity is known; rather, the term indicates that some aspect of the suspect was identified, thus distinguishing the suspect from an unknown offender. Law enforcement agencies specify the number of offenders and, when possible, the race of the offender or offenders as a group. Beginning in 2013, law enforcement began reporting whether suspects were juveniles or adults, as well as the suspect’s ethnicity when possible.
  • Of the 6,406 known offenders, 52.5% were white, and 23.9% were Black or African American. Other races accounted for the remaining known offenders: 1.1% were American Indian or Alaska Native, 0.9% were Asian, 0.3% were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, and 6.6% were of a group of multiple races. The race was unknown for 14.6%.

It is better to quote figures from official sites than non official sites.

ok---you put in bold the stats of white and black offenders----why?? what's your point?
.....be careful now, ..your answer will reveal if you know anything about the subject

well the stat speak for themselves in known offenders of hate crimes in 2019. 52% means 52%. If you want to dispute it then explain what 52 % means.

 

[Donald H]

Racism is just one symptom of America's problem folks. I've posted on the health care thread some ideas that are my attempt to wrap it all up together in language that can be easily understood by all.

Everybody may not agree but you should try to give some of the ideas some consideration.