CDZ Is Slavery America's Original Sin?

If slavery had existed for 150 years before the creation of the United States, how can it be described as our original sin? The answer is that it can't be blamed on our country unless you miraculously reset the date of its creation to 1619, when the first African slaves were sold to British colonialists in Jamestown. The principal reason for buying African slaves was their natural resistance to malaria., which was killing off the European workers in the Southern Colonies. Once purchased, they became an indispensable asset to labor intensive agriculture in those colonies.

Slavery was never popular in the Northern Colonies, and abolitionist movements began to spring up in the mid 1700s. However, resentment of the British government's authoritarian policies was also building and finally erupted into the War for Independence from Great Britain. After winning that war, the Colonies realized that their independence could not be protected unless a common government was formed. A proposed Constitution was hotly debated among the former colonies, and was ratified only after allowing the southern States to retain slavery in return for accepting joint responsibility for the war debts that had been accrued.

This compromise enabled the creation of the United States, but did not end the ever-growing abolitionist movement which culminated in the Civil War. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died in that conflagration, and it is an insult to those who died for that cause to now be accused of supporting the institution they fought against. If there is any original sin to be assigned, it was the widespread rape of African women by their slave masters. But this is not and should not be an indictment of the entire United States of America.

Hove you read the Constitution and it’s proclaimed values and compared that to actions at the time?

That would help you.


Yep....slavery has existed Throughout the entire history of mankind, our Constitution finally put down in words how we would be different from the rest of the planet, by ending slavery and stating that all men are created equal.........since Europe and Africa brought slavery to America, we had to deal with it....and we did........we ended slavery with bloodshed....and have been working to create our ideals in this country....all the while, the democrat party, from it's very creation, has been fighting to keep racism and hate alive.

The Democratic Party included the Dixiecrats until the republic party decided they wanted them.

Enjoy them. They have made the GOP into a new dumber party.


And that is not true or accurate......

The dixiecrats stayed democrats.....they never changed sides.....the lie of the great party switch on racism is just that, a lie....the democrat party never abandoned it's racism and violence, as we see today as joe biden voters burned and looted cities, beat and murdered Americans and as the democrat party, today, seeks to resegregate society based on race.....
Don't try to deny what any 3rd grade kid can plainly see.


3rd Graders are smarter than that.......given the truth, they will see that the democrat party has been and still is the party of racism and hate...
Sure, sure.

Which party in 2020 is still bitching about all those African-American votes from urban areas.

Which party will again move to suppress voters in urban areas.

Which party has a president who retweets from racist alt-right websites and call neo-nazi protesters fine people?

Which party president pushed for and signed the Civil Rights bills?

Which party is david duke a current member of?


Why do you support the party of dumb?


Barak obama is close friends and allies with openly and proud racists........louis farakhan, jeremiah wright, and al sharpton....the core groups of the democrat party are openly and proudly racist, and the democrat party is proudly pushing racist, segregationist policies .....

You have no argument...the democrat party is the home of racism and violence in this country.

Your claim of close friends is backed up by what?

Can you post the "core groups" of the Democratic party so we can judge what your opinion is based on.

What "racist" polices are you claiming that the Democratic party is pushing. Please post them, so we can judge what you're basing that opinion on.


The congressional black caucus embraced racist louis farakhan....which republican caucus in congress has ever had david duke in for a meeting....?


It was a normal Wednesday on Capitol Hill when photographer Askia Muhammad told a freshman senator from Illinois: “You look just like the minister.”

The “minister” was Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who had been invited to speak at the weekly Congressional Black Caucus lunch in 2005. The senator was Barack Obama.


“He is much better looking than I am,” Obama quipped as the two men stood for what Muhammad called a “grip and grin,” a single frame.
Later that afternoon, Muhammad says, he got a call from a Congressional Black Caucus staffer, requesting that he send them the photo for safe keeping. Instead, Muhammad sent the image to Farrakhan but says he kept a copy for himself. Nobody had seen the photo for 13 years – until now.


Muhammad’s account could not be independently verified.
“I swore myself to secrecy,” Muhammad, 72, told the AJC. “If the picture was exposed, it could still be a deal breaker for Obama. I felt that there was an ambition that black people had about Obama being elected president. I did not want to be the instrument of his downfall.”

 
So why didn't Obma invite any of his close friends to the oval office, or to the white house for a one-on-one?

Al sharpton had multiple visits to the white house and obama hid his relationship with farakhan till 5 years after the election....then he denied his 20 year relationship with jeremiah wright and the democrat party members in the press ignored his 20 years with wright........
Again, so why didn't Obama invite any of his "close friends" to the oval office, or to the white house for a one-on-one?

Al Sharpton visited the white house many times, as part of a group, or meetings with white house staff. Why no personal visits, like Kanye West or Kim Kardashian
 
Funny how that simple mistake happened for a guy who is born in the U.S.............

Actually what's "funny" is how you call a single paragraph, an Obama bio.



Here's Obama's full bio from the 1991 brochure:

Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago's South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White.

The first and last sentences were both WRONG. Obama wasn't born in Kenya, and he didn't write the book Journeys in Black and White.

You place too much credence on somebody writing one paragraph bios for their dozens of clients.
 
So why didn't Obma invite any of his close friends to the oval office, or to the white house for a one-on-one?

Al sharpton had multiple visits to the white house and obama hid his relationship with farakhan till 5 years after the election....then he denied his 20 year relationship with jeremiah wright and the democrat party members in the press ignored his 20 years with wright........
Again, so why didn't Obama invite any of his "close friends" to the oval office, or to the white house for a one-on-one?

Al Sharpton visited the white house many times, as part of a group, or meetings with white house staff. Why no personal visits, like Kanye West or Kim Kardashian


The reason he didn't invite them to the office was he didn't want to lose elections............

Trump ever have duke at the White House? By your standard? Yet Trump has no connection or association with duke but guys like you keep lying about him.........meanwhile, obama and the black caucus host extreme racist louis farakhan....and that doesn't count? obama had al sharpton to the white house at least 72 times.......sharpton is a rabid anti-semite and racist........72 visits to the White House...

The Post checked White House visitor logs and reported that Sharpton's recorded visits through December 2014 stood at 72:

 
Funny how that simple mistake happened for a guy who is born in the U.S.............

Actually what's "funny" is how you call a single paragraph, an Obama bio.



Here's Obama's full bio from the 1991 brochure:

Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago's South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White.

The first and last sentences were both WRONG. Obama wasn't born in Kenya, and he didn't write the book Journeys in Black and White.

You place too much credence on somebody writing one paragraph bios for their dozens of clients.


Whether he wrote the book or not isn't relevant...but thanks for trying to obscure the facts with that....

The truth is obama's publicist stated in an official release that he was born in Kenya........it is also true that his mother traveled around the world and married a guy from Kenya, so it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that he was born in Kenya.....

But keep trying to hide that truth....
 
So why didn't Obma invite any of his close friends to the oval office, or to the white house for a one-on-one?

Al sharpton had multiple visits to the white house and obama hid his relationship with farakhan till 5 years after the election....then he denied his 20 year relationship with jeremiah wright and the democrat party members in the press ignored his 20 years with wright........
Again, so why didn't Obama invite any of his "close friends" to the oval office, or to the white house for a one-on-one?

Al Sharpton visited the white house many times, as part of a group, or meetings with white house staff. Why no personal visits, like Kanye West or Kim Kardashian

Al Sharpton visited the white house many times, as part of a group, or meetings with white house staff. Why no personal visits, like Kanye West or Kim Kardashian


From the politifact.....al sharpton...

  • One-on-one meetings: 5 (7 percent)
  • Meetings with staff members or senior advisers, with more than one guest: 20 (27 percent)
  • Events with more than 90 people: 16 (22 percent)
  • Miscellaneous meetings or events, ranging from 3 to 700 guests: 31 (43 percent)

How many personal meetings did Trump have with david duke? 0.

What connections does Trump have to david duke...? 0

obama is the racist, not Trump.
 
The Post checked White House visitor logs and reported that Sharpton's recorded visits through December 2014 stood at 72:


Yet not a single invite to the oval office, or an invite for a solo with the president.

For a "close friend" why didn't Rev Al ever get a face to face with his friend Obama?

I'm sure Rev Al was invited to Obma's inauguration, along with a million other people.
 
If slavery had existed for 150 years before the creation of the United States, how can it be described as our original sin? The answer is that it can't be blamed on our country unless you miraculously reset the date of its creation to 1619, when the first African slaves were sold to British colonialists in Jamestown. The principal reason for buying African slaves was their natural resistance to malaria., which was killing off the European workers in the Southern Colonies. Once purchased, they became an indispensable asset to labor intensive agriculture in those colonies.

Slavery was never popular in the Northern Colonies, and abolitionist movements began to spring up in the mid 1700s. However, resentment of the British government's authoritarian policies was also building and finally erupted into the War for Independence from Great Britain. After winning that war, the Colonies realized that their independence could not be protected unless a common government was formed. A proposed Constitution was hotly debated among the former colonies, and was ratified only after allowing the southern States to retain slavery in return for accepting joint responsibility for the war debts that had been accrued.

This compromise enabled the creation of the United States, but did not end the ever-growing abolitionist movement which culminated in the Civil War. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died in that conflagration, and it is an insult to those who died for that cause to now be accused of supporting the institution they fought against. If there is any original sin to be assigned, it was the widespread rape of African women by their slave masters. But this is not and should not be an indictment of the entire United States of America.

Hove you read the Constitution and it’s proclaimed values and compared that to actions at the time?

That would help you.


Yep....slavery has existed Throughout the entire history of mankind, our Constitution finally put down in words how we would be different from the rest of the planet, by ending slavery and stating that all men are created equal.........since Europe and Africa brought slavery to America, we had to deal with it....and we did........we ended slavery with bloodshed....and have been working to create our ideals in this country....all the while, the democrat party, from it's very creation, has been fighting to keep racism and hate alive.

The Democratic Party included the Dixiecrats until the republic party decided they wanted them.

Enjoy them. They have made the GOP into a new dumber party.


And that is not true or accurate......

The dixiecrats stayed democrats.....they never changed sides.....the lie of the great party switch on racism is just that, a lie....the democrat party never abandoned it's racism and violence, as we see today as joe biden voters burned and looted cities, beat and murdered Americans and as the democrat party, today, seeks to resegregate society based on race.....
Don't try to deny what any 3rd grade kid can plainly see.


3rd Graders are smarter than that.......given the truth, they will see that the democrat party has been and still is the party of racism and hate...
Sure, sure.

Which party in 2020 is still bitching about all those African-American votes from urban areas.

Which party will again move to suppress voters in urban areas.

Which party has a president who retweets from racist alt-right websites and call neo-nazi protesters fine people?

Which party president pushed for and signed the Civil Rights bills?

Which party is david duke a current member of?


Why do you support the party of dumb?
......---I've posted in many threads and my thread has shown that the left act just like the nazis...you prove you don't know shit about the nazis
here is just ONE example:
 
The Post checked White House visitor logs and reported that Sharpton's recorded visits through December 2014 stood at 72:


Yet not a single invite to the oval office, or an invite for a solo with the president.

For a "close friend" why didn't Rev Al ever get a face to face with his friend Obama?

I'm sure Rev Al was invited to Obma's inauguration, along with a million other people.


What part of 5 one on one meetings didn't you understand?

And how many in person meetings did Trump have with david duke?

While sharpton, the racist, walked through the white house doors like he owned the place...

You can't hide the fact that the racist, al sharpton was allowed into the White House, an open and proud racist and anti-semite with blood on his hands from riots that he started...........

  • One-on-one meetings: 5 (7 percent)
  • Meetings with staff members or senior advisers, with more than one guest: 20 (27 percent)
  • Events with more than 90 people: 16 (22 percent)
  • Miscellaneous meetings or events, ranging from 3 to 700 guests: 31 (43 percent)
 
The first and last sentences were both WRONG. Obama wasn't born in Kenya, and he didn't write the book Journeys in Black and White.

You place too much credence on somebody writing one paragraph bios for their dozens of clients.

Whether he wrote the book or not isn't relevant...but thanks for trying to obscure the facts with that....

The truth is obama's publicist stated in an official release that he was born in Kenya.......

His publicist said he wrote a book, he never wrote. They didn't even fact check the reason they put Obama's bio in the pamphlet. To sell his books.

His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White.

Getting that WRONG, is absolutely relevant to trusting anything else they claim.
 
If slavery had existed for 150 years before the creation of the United States, how can it be described as our original sin? The answer is that it can't be blamed on our country unless you miraculously reset the date of its creation to 1619, when the first African slaves were sold to British colonialists in Jamestown. The principal reason for buying African slaves was their natural resistance to malaria., which was killing off the European workers in the Southern Colonies. Once purchased, they became an indispensable asset to labor intensive agriculture in those colonies.

Slavery was never popular in the Northern Colonies, and abolitionist movements began to spring up in the mid 1700s. However, resentment of the British government's authoritarian policies was also building and finally erupted into the War for Independence from Great Britain. After winning that war, the Colonies realized that their independence could not be protected unless a common government was formed. A proposed Constitution was hotly debated among the former colonies, and was ratified only after allowing the southern States to retain slavery in return for accepting joint responsibility for the war debts that had been accrued.

This compromise enabled the creation of the United States, but did not end the ever-growing abolitionist movement which culminated in the Civil War. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died in that conflagration, and it is an insult to those who died for that cause to now be accused of supporting the institution they fought against. If there is any original sin to be assigned, it was the widespread rape of African women by their slave masters. But this is not and should not be an indictment of the entire United States of America.

Hove you read the Constitution and it’s proclaimed values and compared that to actions at the time?

That would help you.


Yep....slavery has existed Throughout the entire history of mankind, our Constitution finally put down in words how we would be different from the rest of the planet, by ending slavery and stating that all men are created equal.........since Europe and Africa brought slavery to America, we had to deal with it....and we did........we ended slavery with bloodshed....and have been working to create our ideals in this country....all the while, the democrat party, from it's very creation, has been fighting to keep racism and hate alive.

The Democratic Party included the Dixiecrats until the republic party decided they wanted them.

Enjoy them. They have made the GOP into a new dumber party.


And that is not true or accurate......

The dixiecrats stayed democrats.....they never changed sides.....the lie of the great party switch on racism is just that, a lie....the democrat party never abandoned it's racism and violence, as we see today as joe biden voters burned and looted cities, beat and murdered Americans and as the democrat party, today, seeks to resegregate society based on race.....
Don't try to deny what any 3rd grade kid can plainly see.


3rd Graders are smarter than that.......given the truth, they will see that the democrat party has been and still is the party of racism and hate...
Sure, sure.

Which party in 2020 is still bitching about all those African-American votes from urban areas.

Which party will again move to suppress voters in urban areas.

Which party has a president who retweets from racist alt-right websites and call neo-nazi protesters fine people?

Which party president pushed for and signed the Civil Rights bills?

Which party is david duke a current member of?


Why do you support the party of dumb?
David Duke ---WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO
what party has members that commit HATE crimes at the highest rate?? ??? Dems

.....which party has members that commit MURDER at FOUR times the rate??? commit INTERRACIAL murder at TEN TIMES the rate!!!!!!??????
Dems:


white supremacists murder less than 10 per year
Obama's people murder over 3000 per year
Obama's people rape at TWICE the rate
 
Al Sharpton visited the white house many times, as part of a group, or meetings with white house staff. Why no personal visits, like Kanye West or Kim Kardashian


From the politifact.....al sharpton...

  • One-on-one meetings: 5 (7 percent)

Except those one on one's weren't with Obama.


November 16, 2012 (Washington, DC)—Rev. Al Sharpton, President of National Action Network and host of PoliticsNation on MSNBC, met with President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden today, along with eleven other leaders of organizations.

I've been searching for news of Sharpton meeting solo with Obama and that's the closest I could find.
 
The first and last sentences were both WRONG. Obama wasn't born in Kenya, and he didn't write the book Journeys in Black and White.

You place too much credence on somebody writing one paragraph bios for their dozens of clients.

Whether he wrote the book or not isn't relevant...but thanks for trying to obscure the facts with that....

The truth is obama's publicist stated in an official release that he was born in Kenya.......

His publicist said he wrote a book, he never wrote. They didn't even fact check the reason they put Obama's bio in the pamphlet. To sell his books.

His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White.

Getting that WRONG, is absolutely relevant to trusting anything else they claim.


What part of "that doesn't matter," do you not understand? You are trying to hide the truth, that his publicist pushed his name by saying he was a Kenyan author....that is the relevant part....
 
Al Sharpton visited the white house many times, as part of a group, or meetings with white house staff. Why no personal visits, like Kanye West or Kim Kardashian


From the politifact.....al sharpton...

  • One-on-one meetings: 5 (7 percent)

Except those one on one's weren't with Obama.


November 16, 2012 (Washington, DC)—Rev. Al Sharpton, President of National Action Network and host of PoliticsNation on MSNBC, met with President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden today, along with eleven other leaders of organizations.

I've been searching for news of Sharpton meeting solo with Obama and that's the closest I could find.


Again......sharpton is a racist and has been to the obama white house over 72 times....

An actual racist, anti-semite with an open door policy for obama's white house..........

Keep trying to sell it...
 
No one likes talking about the genocide of the native inhabitants that Europeans found in America ...
Who were themselves heavily heavily involved in slavery long before and after the europeans came here. Were no more (or less)"native" Americans than anybody else. And just as likely to favor and attempt genocide.
 
You seem to be suggesting that racists can't be stirred up to new heights by a leader who uses existinig racism as his drawing card.
That would appear to contradict how Hitler found so much support and success in promoting racism and hate for the Jews.

Can you provide examples of the new heights of racism stirred up by President Trump? Please be specific as to cause and effect.

P.S. Trump is not Hitler and his supporters are not Nazis. Why resort to that type of argument?
Certainly I can provide instances of Trump's racism. He was guilty of insisting Obama is not an American, born in America. I don't feel there's any need to go further than that until I can see that you're sincerely asking questions and not just trying to argue for Trump.

The privilege of talking to a Canadian has some behavioiur qualifications that must be met. Some are willing and so I don't need to try to coax those who are reluctant.

I have more to say to you but you need to demonstrate that you are deserving.
obama isn't an american. This is just a fact and it has nothing to do with his color.

Obama's hippy communist mother adopted obama out to her then husband Lolo Soetoro changing obama's name to Barry Soetoro. This resulted in his long form BC being destroyed which it took him over $2 million to try to hide this fact and why Obama's school records show him with the legal name of Barry Soetoro. Obama could have but didn't have his us citizenship restored by filling for it--but he failed so he is legally an INDONESIAN which btw INDONESIA says he is an INDONESIAN.
 
Quite ridiculous to suggest that it was! But it can serve as an introduction to the facts of the situation as it exists in America today.

The US Constitution failed to address the slavery issue with enough firmness and determination to put an end to the issue, due to compromises necessary to forming the union.

That lack of determination has caused the problem to fester until it has become the monstrous problem it is today. Other countries dealt with the slavery issue with enough firmness to at least reduce the problem to manageable levels. The US did not and now the problem is too big to handle.

Original sin? No one country is guilty of that any more than another.
"That lack of determination has caused the problem to fester until it has become the monstrous problem it is today. Other countries dealt with the slavery issue with enough firmness to at least reduce the problem to manageable levels. The US did not and now the problem is too big to handle."

Untrue. Slavery does not exist in the US today except as a very rare and very criminal act and that has been true for a very long time. The same is not true in other countries.
 
Most Americans are intent on denying that their country is totally immersed in systemic racism. And so instead of debating that point they have to present a turn-about argument in which they accuse black people of being racists too.

AND THEY'RE RIGHT, at least to the same degree as are white people.

But that's just avoiding the issue!
There's little chance of many Americans just facing up to the racism issue now that it's been permitted to fester for so many years. The writing of the US Constitution failed to take sufficient affirmative action to end racism and that was because dirty compromises were demanded for the sake of union of the states.

It seems that many who opposed Trump were aware of the racism problem in America, but they weren't also aware that they were racists too.
I think the issue didn't come up for Trump opposers for a simple reason. The Trump supporters wouldn't have considered racism of the other side as an issue on which they could gain by fighting on the fact. No racism is going to show much concern about the behaviour of another fellow racist, regardless of political loyalty.
 
You seem to be suggesting that racists can't be stirred up to new heights by a leader who uses existinig racism as his drawing card.
That would appear to contradict how Hitler found so much support and success in promoting racism and hate for the Jews.

Can you provide examples of the new heights of racism stirred up by President Trump? Please be specific as to cause and effect.

P.S. Trump is not Hitler and his supporters are not Nazis. Why resort to that type of argument?
Certainly I can provide instances of Trump's racism. He was guilty of insisting Obama is not an American, born in America. I don't feel there's any need to go further than that until I can see that you're sincerely asking questions and not just trying to argue for Trump.

The privilege of talking to a Canadian has some behavioiur qualifications that must be met. Some are willing and so I don't need to try to coax those who are reluctant.

I have more to say to you but you need to demonstrate that you are deserving.
obama isn't an american. This is just a fact and it has nothing to do with his color.

Obama's hippy communist mother adopted obama out to her then husband Lolo Soetoro changing obama's name to Barry Soetoro. This resulted in his long form BC being destroyed which it took him over $2 million to try to hide this fact and why Obama's school records show him with the legal name of Barry Soetoro. Obama could have but didn't have his us citizenship restored by filling for it--but he failed so he is legally an INDONESIAN which btw INDONESIA says he is an INDONESIAN.
......his formative years were in Indonesia --a muslim country that hates christians and America/Americans
 

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