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Is Kabul, Afghanistan America’s Dien Bien Phu? — With Report from Sources on the Ground in Afghanistan

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Is Kabul, Afghanistan America’s Dien Bien Phu? — With Report from Sources on the Ground in Afghanistan

25 Aug 2021 ~~ By Larry Johnson
I have heard several pundits comparing the current debacle in Kabul to the Fall of Saigon on April 30, 1975, when the remaining American diplomatic and military personnel fled Vietnam in the face of North Vietnam conquering South Vietnam. Others cite Benghazi, when U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens was murdered and a secret CIA base was besieged by Islamic militants on September 2012. But I think a more apt comparison is the Battle of Dien Bien Phu.
Dien Bien Phu was the decisive victory of the North Vietnamese over the French Army in May 1954 and marked the end of French colonialism in Southeast Asia. Viet Minh communist revolutionaries surrounded and overran the the French Union‘s colonial Far East Expeditionary Corps. The Viet Minh captured 11,721 prisoners and killed at least 2,200 members of the 20,000-strong French forces. The last time the French suffered this kind of defeat was during the German invasion of France in 1940.
Which brings me to our desperate situation in Kabul. This is a self-inflicted wound. The following is a report from a retired CIA officer still well connected to events on the ground. I have received confirmation from military buddies:
Folks, for those of you trying to help get people out of Afghanistan. Here is assessment based on information coming out of policy circles and from sources on the ground. Biden is hard over that we will have the last military personnel out of Kabul airport NLT 31 August. We may be gone before then. Drawdown could begin within next 72 hours.​
This is not conditions based. Biden has already disregarded all sound military advice. We can expect him to continue to do so. Anybody not out by the time the last plane leaves gets cut away.​
On the ground in Kabul all processing of Afghans has effectively stopped. Only American Citizens are being moved. People are finally realizing on the ground that this administration really will do things that are unthinkable.​
So to translate this into terms we use in teaching how to respond to a terrorist attack. Get off the X.​
Also assessment is that Panjshir Valley will likely be overrun. May hold for a while but not indefinitely. Any Afghan who wants out needs to get across a border.​
After we are gone the plan is apparently to take down the internet, expel foreign journalists and begin the Afghan version of the killing fields.​
Also, people tasked with getting high-value targets, like female judges out, have not been allowed to move them.​
The Biden Administration is lying. There are still thousands of US citizens in Kabul, but the team with the capability to rescue them has been ordered to leave.
This is not your normal August “crisis” that normally consumes a bored media and members of Congress trying to figure out the best junket for some vacation time. This threatens the U.S. position as leader of the free world. The French and British are livid. Just tune in to Sky News and watch British reporters savage Biden as a bumbling incompetent. Al Jazeera is covering the White House and Department of Defense briefings on Afghanistan live. RT (Russia Today) is leading its news broadcasts with a situation report on the retreat of America from Afghanistan. It is quintessential schaudenfreude.
It is likely we will see more horrific scenes from Kabul International Airport. We also will likely see American citizens paraded as hostages. And this entire debacle became possible because Joe Biden wanted a “Mission Accomplished” photo op on September 11th. He wanted to take credit for getting us out of Afghanistan. Now he gets to own the odoriferous bag of festering excrement made possible by his incompetence.

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The Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrat Commie is willing to abort Americans while bringing in more illegal aliens, Taliban and ISIS terrorists to assist the domestic terrorists Antifa and BLM to hasten the death of FREE America.
"This is a self-inflicted wound."
Because the Chinese communist party, through blackmail, is in control of the (illegal) president of the US, the federal gov't, and the PM/DSA Democrat party.
What the progressive Chinese communist party demands, "Our" govt has to do.
We are on our own. We are in a post rule of law former nation.
Think and act accordingly.
The sheer magnitude of the incompetence is staggering. On every level. The Generals of our military allowed this to happen. They and the deep state allowed lies to persist about the Afghani gov't. The Blinken's State Department didn't bother to get Americans out or really make a stand against Bai Dung's orders and demands.
The Bai Dung admin just sitting there and doing nothing as it disintegrated.
Democrats own this 100%
 

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The French were soundly defeated at Diem Bien Phu on the battle field and surrendered to the NVA..
Our exit from Afghanistan is more what we did in Saigon, Vietnam.
We just called it quits, packed our bags, and went home. ... :cool:
 

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No. The Afghan Army obviously negotiated their surrender with the Taliban. The North Vietnamese had to fight their way to Saigon. It took two years after our combat troops left Vietnam for the S. Vietnamese Army to lose.
 

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Is Kabul, Afghanistan America’s Dien Bien Phu? — With Report from Sources on the Ground in Afghanistan

25 Aug 2021 ~~ By Larry Johnson
I have heard several pundits comparing the current debacle in Kabul to the Fall of Saigon on April 30, 1975, when the remaining American diplomatic and military personnel fled Vietnam in the face of North Vietnam conquering South Vietnam. Others cite Benghazi, when U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens was murdered and a secret CIA base was besieged by Islamic militants on September 2012. But I think a more apt comparison is the Battle of Dien Bien Phu.
Dien Bien Phu was the decisive victory of the North Vietnamese over the French Army in May 1954 and marked the end of French colonialism in Southeast Asia. Viet Minh communist revolutionaries surrounded and overran the the French Union‘s colonial Far East Expeditionary Corps. The Viet Minh captured 11,721 prisoners and killed at least 2,200 members of the 20,000-strong French forces. The last time the French suffered this kind of defeat was during the German invasion of France in 1940.
Which brings me to our desperate situation in Kabul. This is a self-inflicted wound. The following is a report from a retired CIA officer still well connected to events on the ground. I have received confirmation from military buddies:
Folks, for those of you trying to help get people out of Afghanistan. Here is assessment based on information coming out of policy circles and from sources on the ground. Biden is hard over that we will have the last military personnel out of Kabul airport NLT 31 August. We may be gone before then. Drawdown could begin within next 72 hours.​
This is not conditions based. Biden has already disregarded all sound military advice. We can expect him to continue to do so. Anybody not out by the time the last plane leaves gets cut away.​
On the ground in Kabul all processing of Afghans has effectively stopped. Only American Citizens are being moved. People are finally realizing on the ground that this administration really will do things that are unthinkable.​
So to translate this into terms we use in teaching how to respond to a terrorist attack. Get off the X.​
Also assessment is that Panjshir Valley will likely be overrun. May hold for a while but not indefinitely. Any Afghan who wants out needs to get across a border.​
After we are gone the plan is apparently to take down the internet, expel foreign journalists and begin the Afghan version of the killing fields.​
Also, people tasked with getting high-value targets, like female judges out, have not been allowed to move them.​
The Biden Administration is lying. There are still thousands of US citizens in Kabul, but the team with the capability to rescue them has been ordered to leave.
This is not your normal August “crisis” that normally consumes a bored media and members of Congress trying to figure out the best junket for some vacation time. This threatens the U.S. position as leader of the free world. The French and British are livid. Just tune in to Sky News and watch British reporters savage Biden as a bumbling incompetent. Al Jazeera is covering the White House and Department of Defense briefings on Afghanistan live. RT (Russia Today) is leading its news broadcasts with a situation report on the retreat of America from Afghanistan. It is quintessential schaudenfreude.
It is likely we will see more horrific scenes from Kabul International Airport. We also will likely see American citizens paraded as hostages. And this entire debacle became possible because Joe Biden wanted a “Mission Accomplished” photo op on September 11th. He wanted to take credit for getting us out of Afghanistan. Now he gets to own the odoriferous bag of festering excrement made possible by his incompetence.

Comment:
The Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrat Commie is willing to abort Americans while bringing in more illegal aliens, Taliban and ISIS terrorists to assist the domestic terrorists Antifa and BLM to hasten the death of FREE America.
"This is a self-inflicted wound."
Because the Chinese communist party, through blackmail, is in control of the (illegal) president of the US, the federal gov't, and the PM/DSA Democrat party.
What the progressive Chinese communist party demands, "Our" govt has to do.
We are on our own. We are in a post rule of law former nation.
Think and act accordingly.
The sheer magnitude of the incompetence is staggering. On every level. The Generals of our military allowed this to happen. They and the deep state allowed lies to persist about the Afghani gov't. The Blinken's State Department didn't bother to get Americans out or really make a stand against Bai Dung's orders and demands.
The Bai Dung admin just sitting there and doing nothing as it disintegrated.
Democrats own this 100%
The French fought bravely but underestimated their enemy. biDen just ran away. The US can NEVER call the French "surrendermonkeys" again!!!!

#biDensurrendermonkey

Greg
 

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The French fought bravely but underestimated their enemy. biDen just ran away. The US can NEVER call the French "surrendermonkeys" again!!!!

#biDensurrendermonkey

Greg

Under Trumpyberra's surrender terms, we allowed 5000 Taliban fighter be released. We should have had over 8 thousand troops remaining, according to the Trumpy surrender agreement. But for some unknown reason, right after his election loss was announced by the major networks, he order all our troops out by the 15th of Jan 2021. Of course the military convinced him to flip flop on that order, again, but he still reduced our troop level to a mere 25 hundred troops, half the number of Taliban fighters Trump agreed to released. Which, after the Afghan Army walked away, was not enough to secure the evacuation.
 

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