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Brother Pogo, one day we will all have to face our Maker.Except that there is no proof at all that "God" wrote anything, while there is ample and endless proof that humans did.
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(COMMENT)Is the orderly nature of our universe an assumption?
Brother Pogo, one day we will all have to face our Maker.Except that there is no proof at all that "God" wrote anything, while there is ample and endless proof that humans did.
Why not get right with Him today, while you still can?
In my opinion, the differences are obvious. We live in an imperfect world because we are imperfect and often make poor decisions. We write our own destiny and we are responsible for the kind of world we live in.Oh gawd yes, there’s a difference. I’m not convinced that gun lovers are murdering everything on planet earth but comparing humans damaging the planet as opposed to the Chinese virus, yes, there are obvious differences.,If the gods are the author of all, the all-knowing, all seeing gods are responsible for all.....that's HOW--not WHY..this is a critical difference in all the '''god''' discussionsThere is a "reason", however, aka "explanation".Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?
If God, then why?
If Nature, is it a "correction" in the balance of life among the human species?
Survival of the "fittest" ... and rich/powerful (access to life-saving resources)?
Perhaps population density, some foul sanitary/eating habits, and easy global travel opportunities are "correcting" overpopulation of humans?
Maybe God wants to give non-human animals a break?
What say you?
Why would there have to be a "reasoning" behind it?
Start there.
Philosophers & scientists look for explanations, no?
For example, "How did the pandemic originate, and how did it spread so quickly?"
Exactly, thank you. The question presupposes that events are "intentional" on the part of --- whatever. That it was "caused" for a "purpose". That's assuming a dynamic which is not in evidence.evidevce is in the eye of the beholder ...Exactly, thank you. The question presupposes that events are "intentional" on the part of --- whatever. That it was "caused" for a "purpose". That's assuming a dynamic which is not in evidence.
covid certainly seems to have an intention in selectively chosing humanity as its target some what the same as gun lovers that shot wildlife just to kill it and maybe it's a meal for either - there is little more to say for a purpose than to vote republican. why rock the boat. all hail the tramp.
if that is from whence we came and with the variety of living beings there definitely seems a message of - just about anything goes ... few strings attached.If the gods are the author of all, the all-knowing, all seeing gods are responsible for all.
so, no they are not responsible for the actions taken on planet Earth. the return trip is another matter.
seriously, is there a difference between gun lovers murdering everything on planet Earth and covid doing the same thing to humanity ...
Similarly, if it was Lord Vishnu.Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?
If God, then why?
If Nature, is it a "correction" in the balance of life among the human species?
Survival of the "fittest" ... and rich/powerful (access to life-saving resources)?
Perhaps population density, some foul sanitary/eating habits, and easy global travel opportunities are "correcting" overpopulation of humans?
Maybe God wants to give non-human animals a break?
What say you?
If it was God, you wouldn’t have to ask the question.
.Oh gawd yes, there’s a difference. I’m not convinced that gun lovers are murdering everything on planet earth but comparing humans damaging the planet as opposed to the Chinese virus, yes, there are obvious differences.
they are not alone ... a good many are.
obvious differences, not sure I agree with that either.
when one has eliminated the other (shortage of bats), the obvious choice is the one that is still remaining - the virus is obviously not stupid.
On the other hand, the Chinese coronavirus, as best we know, was a product of morphing out of the biological soup in a Chinese fish / live animal market. That was an unguided, undirected process of nature that has no will or intent. A tornado has no intent to squash one home vs. another in the same way that proteins have no intent to assemble into coronavirus.
were it not in reproduction through replication then possibly the modification would have been "undirected" by the organism that is not the case it not only directed the path metaphysically from parent to offspring the organism newly configure offspring is maintaining the anomaly intact without further development, presently.That was an unguided, undirected process of nature that has no will or intent. A tornado has no intent to squash one home vs. another in the same way that proteins have no intent to assemble into coronavirus.
Apparently you don’t understand what I said if that is your conclusion. Your use of the word metaphysical means nothing to me in the context of this discussion. There is no cyclical singularity. You don’t even know what singularity means in the context of this discussion. A singularity isn’t a physical or metaphysical event. A singularity is the point in which Friedmann’s solution to Einstein’s field equations yield infinite values. It’s a mathematical thing. It isn’t some physical phenomenon.Cool story, bro. Can you tell it in English?Well it’s been proven that the universe literally popped into existence ~14 billion years ago and was created from nothing...I'm a subscriber to if it's not proven = bullshit --not trueI take it you're a subscriber to the big bang theory, yes?hahhahaha
there is no god--no one can prove it = there's your answer--yes--stuff happens in nature without god
...you like how I answered your question? your welcome
If that doesn’t give you pause for concern, I don’t know what will..Well it’s been proven that the universe literally popped into existence ~14 billion years ago and was created from nothing.
- only by your limited mentality ...
obviously what "popped" into existence was a preset construction meant for that purpose by the radiant metaphysical forces that similarly are in control now after the event.
God has always existed as the matrix or source of the material world. God is glorified through his creation and he shares in our experiences.
.God has always existed as the matrix or source of the material world. God is glorified through his creation and he shares in our experiences.
that's not what you said -
energy - matter > the metaphysical, both sides of cyclical singularity ... not hard to understand at all.
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hopefully there is guidance to the metaphysical as in practicality exists in all beings on Earth - just not found in the forged writings of the desert religions.
the only thing - which in reality is no thing - that has no beginning and has no end is God. The universe had a beginning. The universe was created from nothing by the Creator.
There has only been one revealed religion where God sought man. All other religions are men seeking God.
Well it’s been proven that the universe literally popped into existence ~14 billion years ago and was created from nothing.
God has always existed as the matrix or source of the material world. God is glorified through his creation and he shares in our experiences.
There is no cyclical singularity ... the only thing - which in reality is no thing - that has no beginning and has no end is God ... The universe was created from nothing by the Creator ... which in reality is no thing ... The universe had a beginning.
sometimes you're just funny that is the providence of the Almighty alone to take lives and said they would not intervene again - however in your case maybe a little bend in the rule would be both welcome and fitting.
I'm tired of explaining. Adam is the one who doomed us to lives of flesh and blood with his sin Thus, we all have to die.
You belittle Satan. He is quite powerful as he is "god of the world and prince of the power of the air." One of the things we are finding is the coronavirus can travel further through the air after it is expelled from a person. It's not just 6' as thought. Most situations with shelter in place, it is that but the virus can travel further than that through the power of the air.
the metaphysical physiology disappears, no such understanding for one's spirit is known except the pronouncement by the Almighty to triumph good vs evil as their statement for admission to the Everlasting - that undoubtedly was the goal given to a&e and humanity with their new mission and was certainly reiterated at the time of noah at the expense of those disputing the game plan.I'm tired of explaining. Adam is the one who doomed us to lives of flesh and blood with his sin Thus, we all have to die.
There is no cyclical universe. The universe was literally created from nothing ~14 billion years ago.Apparently you don’t understand what I said if that is your conclusion. Your use of the word metaphysical means nothing to me in the context of this discussion. There is no cyclical singularity. You don’t even know what singularity means in the context of this discussion. A singularity isn’t a physical or metaphysical event. A singularity is the point in which Friedmann’s solution to Einstein’s field equations yield infinite values. It’s a mathematical thing. It isn’t some physical phenomenon.Cool story, bro. Can you tell it in English?Well it’s been proven that the universe literally popped into existence ~14 billion years ago and was created from nothing...I'm a subscriber to if it's not proven = bullshit --not trueI take it you're a subscriber to the big bang theory, yes?hahhahaha
there is no god--no one can prove it = there's your answer--yes--stuff happens in nature without god
...you like how I answered your question? your welcome
If that doesn’t give you pause for concern, I don’t know what will..Well it’s been proven that the universe literally popped into existence ~14 billion years ago and was created from nothing.
- only by your limited mentality ...
obviously what "popped" into existence was a preset construction meant for that purpose by the radiant metaphysical forces that similarly are in control now after the event.
God has always existed as the matrix or source of the material world. God is glorified through his creation and he shares in our experiences.
.God has always existed as the matrix or source of the material world. God is glorified through his creation and he shares in our experiences.
that's not what you said -
energy - matter > the metaphysical, both sides of cyclical singularity ... not hard to understand at all.
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hopefully there is guidance to the metaphysical as in practicality exists in all beings on Earth - just not found in the forged writings of the desert religions.
the only thing - which in reality is no thing - that has no beginning and has no end is God. The universe had a beginning. The universe was created from nothing by the Creator.
There has only been one revealed religion where God sought man. All other religions are men seeking God.Well it’s been proven that the universe literally popped into existence ~14 billion years ago and was created from nothing.God has always existed as the matrix or source of the material world. God is glorified through his creation and he shares in our experiences.There is no cyclical singularity ... the only thing - which in reality is no thing - that has no beginning and has no end is God ... The universe was created from nothing by the Creator ... which in reality is no thing ... The universe had a beginning.
no, in reference to the BB singularity is the momentary transition from finite density to vastness through space reproducing itself as a cyclical event - the components of energy and mass are directed by metaphysical forces responsible for their existence and encompass the endless process.
if there is something to be defined it is your self declarations of "nothing" "only" "no thing" "no beginning" "from nothing" "only thing" on and on - and your favorite "no space or time" ...
howabout - there is a void and the void is bing.
My maker was a her, like everybody's. She's gone now but we got right before she left.
Sorry Brother Marc, I don't subscribe to that anthropomorphic deity concept. Respect.
Thanks. That was awesome. I apologize for putting you on the spot.As you probably know, these things are very hard to explain. Once, as a child, I innocently asked to see something...and I saw. I believed in God before, but now I knew. Later on, as an adult there have been a couple of times where the love of God simply came upon me. It is unmistakable. Twice, there was an unknown dog, both who just happened to be nearby. Both times they suddenly raced away from their owners and joyfully jumped into my arms. Then, just as suddenly, they looked confused and I set them down. (One was fairly large.) Both owners were astounded, and both told me (on these separate occasions) their dogs never acted like that, that their dog didn't care for strangers. Considering how quickly the dogs went on to ignore me, I had no reason to doubt them.I’m just trying to understand the role God plays in your life from a practical aspect point of view. And by that I mean to say how does he make his presence and will known to you?
There were a couple of other times where the voice of God filled my mind. Even despite my earlier experiences of God, I wasn't about to quickly jump into honoring God's request. Brains can be tricky, as everyone in this day and age is well aware. But the improbable sign occurred, and the message I was given to relate to another person was received in astonishment and awe--because while the message held little meaning for me, it held great meaning to the one receiving it.
I know this makes little sense to anyone else, as it makes little sense to me. I asked God why He couldn't personally deliver His own messages. Now God returned to His usual mysterious self. I didn't need to know His reasons.
But let's go back to normal, day-to-day prayer, which has been ninety-nine percent of the time. Remember the story of Moses, where when God passed directly in front of Moses, He had to cover Moses eyes. Moses only saw God after He had passed--i.e., in what we would call hindsight. Almost always, I can only see God's activity in my life--His fingerprints if you will--in hindsight. He is an expert on not letting His left hand know what His right hand is doing.
satan is dead the same as those during the time of noah.
My maker was a her, like everybody's. She's gone now but we got right before she left.
Sorry Brother Marc, I don't subscribe to that anthropomorphic deity concept. Respect.
Your maker were your parents, but what you didn't realize then and now is that only life can beget life. That is the way it was designed by God and this is backed up the scientific method. We have the supernatural of life (life spirit) next to nature. It's just that people believe in the fake science of evolution that they can't figure something so basic out.
The universe was literally created from nothing ~14 billion years ago.
. God gave us certainty.
Quite some years ago, I think when I still new here, I made a thread asking "how lucky we are?" as humans.My maker was a her, like everybody's. She's gone now but we got right before she left.
Sorry Brother Marc, I don't subscribe to that anthropomorphic deity concept. Respect.
The heavens declare His glory. We were literally told to study what he created so that we would be without excuse.The universe was literally created from nothing ~14 billion years ago.
That's just a theory
I say we have won the cosmic lottery. We are literally the pinnacle of creation; beings that know and create. Giant meteor notwithstanding.Quite some years ago, I think when I still new here, I made a thread asking "how lucky we are?" as humans.My maker was a her, like everybody's. She's gone now but we got right before she left.
Sorry Brother Marc, I don't subscribe to that anthropomorphic deity concept. Respect.
The premise was that based on the atheist belief, that the world is billions and billions of years old and that there was this big bang that brought things into existence from nothing....How lucky we are as humans to be existing, when a giant meteor or sun can just smash us to bits at any time.
Seems we're overdue.
Do you remember that thread?
It didn't get much response. What do you say about that premise?
Do you know what that is from?
The premise was that based on the atheist belief, that the world is billions and billions of years old and that there was this big bang that brought things into existence from nothing....How lucky we are as humans to be existing, when a giant meteor or sun can just smash us to bits at any time.
If one believes in 'God', then all and everything is explained.
People have been asking "why" about 'God' ever since the noun began to be used. No convincing answer has been found. When one asks the same question for a very long time without finding the answer, one should pose antother question; is this the wrong question?
No. Romans 1:20.Do you know what that is from?
It's nature and I experienced it when I was a kid in elementary school and became a scout. Are you referring to Psalm 19:1? When and where did you develop your love of nature?
Well...yeah, that was the premise of my then thread.Don't you think what the atheist belief says is contradictory? If a giant meteor or sun can just smash us to bits at any time, then how could Earth have existed for billions of years? It doesn't pass my common sense test of rock cracking, crumbling, and turning to dust with age. This includes fossils. The weathering, chemical processes, and mechanical processes would turn Earth to dust if it wasn't hit by a space rock. What about us observing whole galaxies, suns, planets, moons, and such whizzing away from us or colliding with another large mass and being destroyed?
