Is it God or Nature?

[there4eyeM]

If one believes in 'God', then all and everything is explained.
People have been asking "why" about 'God' ever since the noun began to be used. No convincing answer has been found. When one asks the same question for a very long time without finding the answer, one should pose antother question; is this the wrong question?

 

[JimBowie1958]

If one believes in 'God', then all and everything is explained.
People have been asking "why" about 'God' ever since the noun began to be used. No convincing answer has been found. When one asks the same question for a very long time without finding the answer, one should pose antother question; is this the wrong question?

there is a Creator, as the Infinite Regression Fallacy demonstrates for all but the most witless.

 

[there4eyeM]

If one believes in 'God', then all and everything is explained.
People have been asking "why" about 'God' ever since the noun began to be used. No convincing answer has been found. When one asks the same question for a very long time without finding the answer, one should pose antother question; is this the wrong question?

there is a Creator, as the Infinite Regression Fallacy demonstrates for all but the most witless.

Personal revelation is the ultimate indicator. If you have it, there's no doubt. If you don't have it, everything else is merely hearsay.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Personal revelation is the ultimate indicator. If you have it, there's no doubt. If you don't have it, everything else is merely hearsay.

The experience of the Holy Spirit and the inspiring view of the world from a faith perspective are very p[ersuasive.

But I think we can get to the same place by reason.

Plato and Aristotle did, why cant we?

 

[ding]

Personal revelation is the ultimate indicator. If you have it, there's no doubt. If you don't have it, everything else is merely hearsay.

The experience of the Holy Spirit and the inspiring view of the world from a faith perspective are very p[ersuasive.

But I think we can get to the same place by reason.

Plato and Aristotle did, why cant we?

I couldn’t agree more.

 

[ding]

If one believes in 'God', then all and everything is explained.
People have been asking "why" about 'God' ever since the noun began to be used. No convincing answer has been found. When one asks the same question for a very long time without finding the answer, one should pose antother question; is this the wrong question?

Not exactly. I believe in God and there are still a lot of things that are a mystery to me.

What I do have is faith. Faith that everything works for good. Even though I don’t always see it.

 

[harmonica]

Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?

If God, then why?
If Nature, is it a "correction" in the balance of life among the human species?
Survival of the "fittest" ... and rich/powerful (access to life-saving resources)?

Perhaps population density, some foul sanitary/eating habits, and easy global travel opportunities are "correcting" overpopulation of humans?
Maybe God wants to give non-human animals a break?
What say you?

there is no god --plain and simple ..so there's your answer

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Not god, not nature....

CHINA

 

[harmonica]

Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?

If God, then why?
If Nature, is it a "correction" in the balance of life among the human species?
Survival of the "fittest" ... and rich/powerful (access to life-saving resources)?

Perhaps population density, some foul sanitary/eating habits, and easy global travel opportunities are "correcting" overpopulation of humans?
Maybe God wants to give non-human animals a break?
What say you?

Why would there have to be a "reasoning" behind it?

Start there.

There is a "reason", however, aka "explanation".
Philosophers & scientists look for explanations, no?
For example, "How did the pandemic originate, and how did it spread so quickly?"

....that's HOW--not WHY..this is a critical difference in all the '''god''' discussions

 

[Care4all]

Not god, not nature....

CHINA

If President Trump were the President of China at the time of this, would he really have done things any differently than what China did...? Deny it, play it down like it was a nothing burger, lie about it, turn his head the other way and hope for the best.... all to keep the economy going?

Seriously! I see no difference in how our president handled this than what the Chinese President did with this in the beginning..... they were fricking twins, in their handling..... deny deny deny..... all just a political hoax....

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Not god, not nature....

CHINA

If President Trump were the President of China at the time of this, would he really have done things any differently than what China did...? Deny it, play it down like it was a nothing burger, lie about it, turn his head the other way and hope for the best.... all to keep the economy going?

Seriously! I see no difference in how our president handled this than what the Chinese President did with this in the beginning..... they were fricking twins, in their handling..... deny deny deny..... all just a political hoax....

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

So, to the question "God or Nature?" old grampa has an answer -- Trump!

LOL!

 

[MarcATL]

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Such a thoughtful response, from a thoughtful person.

 

[Meriweather]

How about, why not God?

What say you?

I believe God is here to help us throughout our physical existence, which is already challenging enough without a higher being having to throw any additional rocks at us.

 

[Pogo]

Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?

If God, then why?
If Nature, is it a "correction" in the balance of life among the human species?
Survival of the "fittest" ... and rich/powerful (access to life-saving resources)?

Perhaps population density, some foul sanitary/eating habits, and easy global travel opportunities are "correcting" overpopulation of humans?
Maybe God wants to give non-human animals a break?
What say you?

How about, why not God?

What say you?

You first. Is God punishing us?
Me next. Why would He? I doubt that.

See? Now you went right back to "reasons".

If you flip a coin and it lands on "tails" ---- does there have to be a "reason" it did that?
Does "chance" not exist?

 

[Pogo]

Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?

If God, then why?
If Nature, is it a "correction" in the balance of life among the human species?
Survival of the "fittest" ... and rich/powerful (access to life-saving resources)?

Perhaps population density, some foul sanitary/eating habits, and easy global travel opportunities are "correcting" overpopulation of humans?
Maybe God wants to give non-human animals a break?
What say you?

Why would there have to be a "reasoning" behind it?

Start there.

There is a "reason", however, aka "explanation".
Philosophers & scientists look for explanations, no?
For example, "How did the pandemic originate, and how did it spread so quickly?"

....that's HOW--not WHY..this is a critical difference in all the '''god''' discussions

Exactly, thank you. The question presupposes that events are "intentional" on the part of --- whatever. That it was "caused" for a "purpose". That's assuming a dynamic which is not in evidence.

 

[Mr Natural]

God is Nature.

Nature is God.

 

[BreezeWood]

Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?

If God, then why?
If Nature, is it a "correction" in the balance of life among the human species?
Survival of the "fittest" ... and rich/powerful (access to life-saving resources)?

Perhaps population density, some foul sanitary/eating habits, and easy global travel opportunities are "correcting" overpopulation of humans?
Maybe God wants to give non-human animals a break?
What say you?

Why would there have to be a "reasoning" behind it?

Start there.

There is a "reason", however, aka "explanation".
Philosophers & scientists look for explanations, no?
For example, "How did the pandemic originate, and how did it spread so quickly?"

....that's HOW--not WHY..this is a critical difference in all the '''god''' discussions

Exactly, thank you. The question presupposes that events are "intentional" on the part of --- whatever. That it was "caused" for a "purpose". That's assuming a dynamic which is not in evidence.

Exactly, thank you. The question presupposes that events are "intentional" on the part of --- whatever. That it was "caused" for a "purpose". That's assuming a dynamic which is not in evidence.

evidevce is in the eye of the beholder ...

covid certainly seems to have an intention in selectively chosing humanity as its target some what the same as gun lovers that shot wildlife just to kill it and maybe it's a meal for either - there is little more to say for a purpose than to vote republican. why rock the boat. all hail the tramp.

 

[ding]

Only an idiot would entertain the idea that God sent the virus and then make a political argument out of it.

 

[ding]

Or a subversive but then again subversives are idiots.