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I realize that your statement doesn't necessarily mean you think a nuclear-armed Iran is a GOOD thing but it sort of sounds like that. Their recent actions of restricting access, ramping up enrichment, and refusing to return to negotiations, even with that feckless, senile perv in the Oval Office is sending the signal that they are making the sprint to the end-game.

Bibi may no longer be the Prime Minister but Naftali Bennett is as much a hardliner on defense and he and Yair Lapid have both been sending clear signals to the world that they WILL NOT ALLOW IRAN to become a nuclear-armed state. They made a statement nearly 3 months ago that Iran's pace on enrichment would see them cross the finish line in 10 weeks. Those 10 weeks are GONE. There could be a strike against Iran's 3 major nuke sites at any time now. I read a blog from a guy who did military intel and still has connections and he wrote a description of how this thing would look IF Israel strikes and if he's correct it will stun the world as much as the strike on the Iraqi reactor did back in the 80s.

I realize that your statement doesn't necessarily mean you think a nuclear-armed Iran is a GOOD thing but it sort of sounds like that. Their recent actions of restricting access, ramping up enrichment, and refusing to return to negotiations, even with that feckless, senile perv in the Oval Office is sending the signal that they are making the sprint to the end-game.

Bibi may no longer be the Prime Minister but Naftali Bennett is as much a hardliner on defense and he and Yair Lapid have both been sending clear signals to the world that they WILL NOT ALLOW IRAN to become a nuclear-armed state. They made a statement nearly 3 months ago that Iran's pace on enrichment would see them cross the finish line in 10 weeks. Those 10 weeks are GONE. There could be a strike against Iran's 3 major nuke sites at any time now. I read a blog from a guy who did military intel and still has connections and he wrote a description of how this thing would look IF Israel strikes and if he's correct it will stun the world as much as the strike on the Iraqi reactor did back in the 80s.




And, you may remember this:

"Brezinski Calls for Obama to Shoot Down Israeli Jets; "A Liberty in Reverse"
Zbigniew Brzezinski suggests that Barack Obama do more than just refuse to support an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear sites -- the American president must give the order to shoot down Israeli aircraft as they cross Iraqi airspace:
Brezinski Calls for Obama to Shoot Down Israeli Jets; "A Liberty in Reverse"



This is Democrat policy.
 
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Nuclear war as would be the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

The Zionist regime didn't use them on Iraq.
If they're ever used against Iran then the perception will be that it was done by the US and a counter attack could be highly likely.
Once the genie is out of the bottle .................

I don't care to fling shit at each other from now on that's only due to your petulant feelings of your dad being able to beat up my dad.
I assume you are hiding behind vulgarity in the hopes that I won't respond, and embarrass you again.
OK.

Glad you're afraid.
 

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I realize that your statement doesn't necessarily mean you think a nuclear-armed Iran is a GOOD thing but it sort of sounds like that.
I don't want anybody to have nukes. My comment is true. If you think watching the U.S. treat Kim Jong Un with respect, saluting North Korea's Generals, and having him exchange "love letters" with our leader didn't confirm to them that they need to get nukes, then you're not paying attention.

Couple that with the U.S. breaking their word on a nuclear agreement after just barely a few years, and they'd have to be really stupid to hit the brakes now.
 

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Obvously not true.



Everything I post is 100% true, accurate and correct....and I appreciate you stopping by to prove it.


Let's proceed:




2. "The deal's provisions for inspections of military facilities, or "undeclared sites," involve a complex process with plenty of opportunities for Iran to stall. Tehran can propose alternatives to on-site inspections, or reject the request, which would trigger a 24-day process for the Joint Commission countries to override the rejection.
Disproving your own point on there being no inspections.

Slow down and think it out before shooting your foot off.
Or even better, pick on somebody your own size!
 
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Disproving your own point on there being no inspections.

Slow down and think it out before shooting your foot off.
Or even better, pick on somebody your own size!


There are no inspections.

Allowing the 7th century barbarians 45 day after a request for inspection is NO INSPECTIONS.
 

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There are no inspections.

Allowing the 7th century barbarians 45 day after a request for inspection is NO INSPECTIONS.
I see you are doing your usual. Taking bits of information that you don't understand and without any context, spewing it out over the internet, and then patting yourself on the back and claiming victory. In regards to the points in your opening. There is not dismantling of the non-proliferation agreement. Iran is a party to that agreement and they have every right to the nuclear fuel cycle and enrichment activities. The ICBM bit has already been addressed, but ICBM's have never been part of the NPT. But to the no inspection bullshit. First, your source for this information was a dogshit right wing rag, American Thinker, whose very name is quite ironic. Their motto should be, Don't Think, let us to the thinking for you. Your opening used the just as full of shit, "Free Beacon".

But the inspection protocols you listed apply only, ONLY, to undeclared sites. For declared site monitoring is just like it was in North Korea till dumbass Bush crushed the deal. 24 hour closed circuit video monitoring, and random undeclared inspections. For the undeclared sites it begins with a request for clarification. From that point Iran has 14 days to clarify the purpose of the site and agree to procedures for inspection or resolve the questions by alternative means. If agreement cannot be made in that 14 day time period it goes before the commission within a seven day time frame. Once the commission rules Iran has three additional days to implement the decision. At worse, we are looking at 24 days, which is about half the time frame you are trumpeting.


Of course, all this is moot thanks to that dumbass Trump, and now we have to renegotiate or get a commitment by Iran to once again following that initial agreement.
 
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I see you are doing your usual. Taking bits of information that you don't understand and without any context, spewing it out over the internet, and then patting yourself on the back and claiming victory. In regards to the points in your opening. There is not dismantling of the non-proliferation agreement. Iran is a party to that agreement and they have every right to the nuclear fuel cycle and enrichment activities. The ICBM bit has already been addressed, but ICBM's have never been part of the NPT. But to the no inspection bullshit. First, your source for this information was a dogshit right wing rag, American Thinker, whose very name is quite ironic. Their motto should be, Don't Think, let us to the thinking for you. Your opening used the just as full of shit, "Free Beacon".

But the inspection protocols you listed apply only, ONLY, to undeclared sites. For declared site monitoring is just like it was in North Korea till dumbass Bush crushed the deal. 24 hour closed circuit video monitoring, and random undeclared inspections. For the undeclared sites it begins with a request for clarification. From that point Iran has 14 days to clarify the purpose of the site and agree to procedures for inspection or resolve the questions by alternative means. If agreement cannot be made in that 14 day time period it goes before the commission within a seven day time frame. Once the commission rules Iran has three additional days to implement the decision. At worse, we are looking at 24 days, which is about half the time frame you are trumpeting.


Of course, all this is moot thanks to that dumbass Trump, and now we have to renegotiate or get a commitment by Iran to once again following that initial agreement.


And another Democrat boot-licker slithers out from under a rock to support an Iranian nuclear bomb.

Do you feel it necessary to put on Chapstick before you lubricate Democrat's boots with your lips?
 
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Let's review the facts:


There was never...NEVER.....any reason to award, guarantee, even pay for, the 7th century savages getting nuclear weapons.

The "deal" was simply an underhanded way of Hussein Obama supporting his co-religionists.

No inspections were allowed in reality as the savages could put off inspections for 45 days so they could 'clean up' a suspected site.

No limit was put on their development of missiles to deliver a nuclear bomb.

They never had a need for nuclear energy, as they are overflowing with oil.

Trump's sanctions were doing the job on the regime, so Democrats cut the sanctions.

Iran pay 30% of North Korea's GDP....guess why.

BTW…..this is the same Hussein Obama who gave Iran our latest drone and the technology to share it with China and Russia. See a pattern there???
 

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Obvously not true.



Everything I post is 100% true, accurate and correct....and I appreciate you stopping by to prove it.


Let's proceed:




2. "The deal's provisions for inspections of military facilities, or "undeclared sites," involve a complex process with plenty of opportunities for Iran to stall. Tehran can propose alternatives to on-site inspections, or reject the request, which would trigger a 24-day process for the Joint Commission countries to override the rejection.

That could drag on for months. And under ambiguities built into the deal, it's unclear whether Iran must allow IAEA inspectors into military sites, or whether the Iranians can take their own environmental samples and send them to the IAEA for testing, as was allowed under a 2015 side agreement that let Iran use its own experts to inspect the Parchin military site."
U.S. seeks to test Iran deal with more inspections



3. Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal Allows the Regime to Develop a Weapon ...
"Krauthammer’s Take: Obama ‘Caved’ on Inspections, Now Iran Is Developing a Nuclear Weapon"
Read more at:
Krauthammer’s Take: Obama ‘Caved’ on Inspections, Now Iran Is Developing a Nuclear Weapon



4. § The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was not allowed to inspect or monitor Iran's military sites where nuclear activities were most likely being carried out. Among the many concessions that the Obama administration gave the Iranian government, one was accepting the Iranian leaders' demand that these military sites would be out of the IAEA's reach.

§ Due to this surrender, various high-profile Iranian sites such as the Parchin military complex, located southeast of Tehran, were free to engage in nuclear activities without the risk of inspection.

§ Once the authoritarian, anti-Semitic and anti-American government of Iran possess a nuclear bomb, no amount of actions will be able reverse the catastrophe.

§
Stop Iran From Going Nuclear




5. In 2015, President Obama promised when he tried to sell the deal to a skeptical American public that the Iranians agreed to the "most robust and intrusive inspections and transparency regime, ever negotiated for any nuclear program in history," based on "unprecedented verification." Moreover, Obama adviser Ben Rhodes reassured the public repeatedly that the deal included "anywhere, anytime" inspections and 24-7 access to Iran's key nuclear facilities.

But in reality, the administration repeatedly lied to the American public by misrepresenting the deal and the nature of the inspections Iran agreed to. The robust inspections referred only to Iran's declared nuclear sites. Other sites that the IAEA has suspicions about, including all military sites and undeclared nuclear sites, fell under a separate cheating-friendly procedure.

One of the most controversial issues in the 2015 negotiations was whether the U.N.'s IAEA would be able to visit military sites if they had questions about suspected nuclear activities or facilities within them. In the end, Iranian leader Ayatollah Khamenei on June 23, 2015 stated that granting access to Iran's military sites was a red line, and the U.S. and its partners gave in and agreed on language with Iran avoiding a direct mention of the military sites issue.

Instead, the deal stated that in order to allay IAEA concerns, Iran would give access within a 24-day time frame, after the IAEA made a request to visit a suspected site. Furthermore, the deal stated that if Iran refused the access, the Islamist state and the IAEA would have additional 14 days to resolve the agreement among themselves. If they failed to agree, a joint commission comprising the six member-nations who are parties to the agreement would consider the matter for an additional week.

In conclusion, according to the agreement, Iran can continue its uranium enrichment program and continue developing its weapon program at its many military sites, and every time the IAEA suspects anything, the Iranians can have 24 days at a minimum and 45 days maximum to delay the access, sanitize the sites, or transfer the unauthorized nuclear work to another unauthorized military site.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/obama_and_irans_nuclear_lies.html#ixzz5nH0Ua9im




Bet you feel pretty stooooooopid right now, huh?

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“Iran Inspections in 24 Days? Not Even Close

Iran can easily stretch out the inspection of suspect nuclear sites for three months or more.” Iran Inspections in 24 Days? Not Even Close











"The deal's provisions for inspections of military facilities, or "undeclared sites," involve a complex process with plenty of opportunities for Iran to stall. Tehran can propose alternatives to on-site inspections, or reject the request, which would trigger a 24-day process for the Joint Commission countries to override the rejection.

That could drag on for months. And under ambiguities built into the deal, it's unclear whether Iran must allow IAEA inspectors into military sites, or whether the Iranians can take their own environmental samples and send them to the IAEA for testing, as was allowed under a 2015 side agreement that let Iran use its own experts to inspect the Parchin military site."
U.S. seeks to test Iran deal with more inspections





3. The starting point is the fact that no Liberal/Democrat has been able to answer this question successfully:
What possible benefit is there to America, or to the world, in awarding nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?


Contrary to the flaccid argument that Iran is in compliance with the agreement….and no matter who says it…..there is no way to know. The 7th century savages have a built-in dodge: Iran has 14 day to say whether to allow inspections asked for, and actually has the ability to delay any inspections up to 24 days.
There is no way of ascertaining whether or not Iran is adhering to the terms.

What sort of moron would on our side would sign that sort of deal???




There are no inspections and when requested, the savages can stall for 24 days.


Hence, the deal is a fraud to give the Iranians nuclear weapons.


"Obama's Unforgivable Betrayal

The president's nuclear accommodation of radical Islamist theocrats threatens Israel's survival.

[Obama] is no longer trying to stop Iran from going nuclear. “Never” has been slimmed down to 13 years – at best!"
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...ar-deal-is-an-unforgivable-betrayal-of-israel


2. Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal Allows the Regime to Develop a Weapon ...
"Krauthammer’s Take: Obama ‘Caved’ on Inspections, Now Iran Is Developing a Nuclear Weapon"
Read more at:
Krauthammer’s Take: Obama ‘Caved’ on Inspections, Now Iran Is Developing a Nuclear Weapon



3. "...Obama had previously stated that “the deal we’ll accept” with Iran “is that they end their nuclear program” and abide by the U.N. resolutions that have been in place. Yet more enrichment will continue with 5,000 centrifuges per decade and all restraints will end in 15 years.

.... none of Iran’s nuclear facilities, including the Fordow center will be closed,
as The Washington Post noted. Not one of the country’s 19,000 centrifuges will be dismantled. Tehran’s existing pile of enriched uranium will be “reduced” but not necessarily shipped out of the country. In effect, then, Iran’s nuclear infrastructure will remain intact ....." https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...ar-deal-is-an-unforgivable-betrayal-of-israel


Assist from North Korea

Regardless of any deal to which Iran may agree, Asia expert Gordon Chang said North Korea for years has been helping Tehran in a “secret program” to develop nuclear weapons.

It’s questionable, he said, that a secret program outside Iran’s borders would be covered under the deal with the West.

“The international community wants the preliminary arrangement … to ensure that the country remains at least one year away from being able to produce an atomic device,” Chang said.

“But no inspections of Iranian sites will solve a fundamental issue,” he added. “As can be seen from the North Korean base housing Tehran’s weapons specialists, Iran is only one part of a nuclear weapons effort spanning the Asian continent.

“North Korea, now the world’s proliferation superstar, is a participant. China, once the mastermind, may still be a co-conspirator,” he said.

“Inspections inside the borders of Iran, therefore, will not give the international community the assurance it needs.”
The fatal hole in Obama’s nuke deal with Iran



Soooo.....Obama can claim he has 'stopped' Iran's nuclear program......but know full well that he not only hasn't, but by freeing up $billions for Iran.....he paid the North Korean tab.
Imbeciles believe the slight of hand....
Raise your paw, you dunce.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was not allowed to inspect or monitor Iran's military sites where nuclear activities were most likely being carried out. Among the many concessions that the Obama administration gave the Iranian government, one was accepting the Iranian leaders' demand that these military sites would be out of the IAEA's reach.
Due to this surrender, various high-profile Iranian sites such as the Parchin military complex, located southeast of Tehran, were free to engage in nuclear activities without the risk of inspection.
Once the authoritarian, anti-Semitic and anti-American government of Iran possess a nuclear bomb, no amount of actions will be able reverse the catastrophe.
Stop Iran From Going Nuclear
In 2015, President Obama promised when he tried to sell the deal to a skeptical American public that the Iranians agreed to the "most robust and intrusive inspections and transparency regime, ever negotiated for any nuclear program in history," based on "unprecedented verification." Moreover, Obama adviser Ben Rhodes reassured the public repeatedly that the deal included "anywhere, anytime" inspections and 24-7 access to Iran's key nuclear facilities.

But in reality, the administration repeatedly lied to the American public by misrepresenting the deal and the nature of the inspections Iran agreed to. The robust inspections referred only to Iran's declared nuclear sites. Other sites that the IAEA has suspicions about, including all military sites and undeclared nuclear sites, fell under a separate cheating-friendly procedure.

One of the most controversial issues in the 2015 negotiations was whether the U.N.'s IAEA would be able to visit military sites if they had questions about suspected nuclear activities or facilities within them. In the end, Iranian leader Ayatollah Khamenei on June 23, 2015 stated that granting access to Iran's military sites was a red line, and the U.S. and its partners gave in and agreed on language with Iran avoiding a direct mention of the military sites issue.

Instead, the deal stated that in order to allay IAEA concerns, Iran would give access within a 24-day time frame, after the IAEA made a request to visit a suspected site. Furthermore, the deal stated that if Iran refused the access, the Islamist state and the IAEA would have additional 14 days to resolve the agreement among themselves. If they failed to agree, a joint commission comprising the six member-nations who are parties to the agreement would consider the matter for an additional week.

In conclusion, according to the agreement, Iran can continue its uranium enrichment program and continue developing its weapon program at its many military sites, and every time the IAEA suspects anything, the Iranians can have 24 days at a minimum and 45 days maximum to delay the access, sanitize the sites, or transfer the unauthorized nuclear work to another unauthorized military site.
Read more: Obama and Iran's Nuclear Lies
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In your face, booooooyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
Donald H

When she can't address valid arguments she resorts to this. Every time. She's a firm believer and practitioner of "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit"
 

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I assume you are hiding behind vulgarity in the hopes that I won't respond, and embarrass you again.
OK.

Glad you're afraid.
You have zero self-awareness or any concept of how you are viewed here on this site. It's precious. :laugh:
 

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Because they are nothing more than trained sheep, Democrat voters have never asked their masters questions along the lines of ...

...why is it so import to end the half-century long Non-Proliferation Treaty, and guarantee nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism...

...or why the vaunted Obama-Iran Deal had no inspections allowed.....

...or why the deal never restricted Iran from building intercontinental missiles....



Today:

"State Department: Iran’s Nuclear Transgressions Make Return to Deal Harder

Iran blocks nuke inspectors from contested sites while boosting production of highly enriched uranium

The State Department says Iran’s refusal to permit international nuclear inspectors access to its most contested atomic sites is making it harder for the Biden administration to achieve its goal of returning to the 2015 nuclear deal.

"Iran says it wants to return to a diplomatic solution but continues to take steps to make that harder," a State Department spokesman told the Washington Free Beacon on Friday, responding to questions about the Biden administration’s stance on Iran’s violations of the nuclear deal.

Iran is restricting access to its nuclear sites, sparking a row between the country and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which is required to inspect Iran’s sites as part of the original nuclear agreement. Since the United States abandoned the deal in 2018 under the Trump administration, Tehran has repeatedly sparred with the IAEA and violated the deal by producing highly enriched uranium, the key component in an atomic weapon.

Iran’s nuclear transgressions have sparked international backlash from European nations, which said in a joint statement last month that they remain "deeply concerned by Iran’s continued violations of its nuclear-related commitments, and recent escalations." The United States did not sign onto that statement but has expressed similar concerns about Tehran’s rush to enrich uranium and keep its nuclear sites secret.

This behavior has not been met with sanctions or any other punitive measures. "



This is what you get as foreign policy when Democrats are in power.




Versus, this:


5th Nobel Peace Prize Nomination for President Trump ...

https://www.newsmax.com › peterpry › emp-icbm-nato-testing › 2020 › 10 › 26 › id › 993845
President Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for many stellar accomplishments advancing world peace — not least his diplomatic breakthrough toward lasting peace in the Mideast. Although President Trump deservedly received four nominations for the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize, and should have won, it was awarded to the World Food Bank.

The irony of calling democrats sheep when you're still yearning for the return of trump. Nobel peace prize???
He tried to over throw democracy.
Some peaceful guy I might say.
 

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And another Democrat boot-licker slithers out from under a rock to support an Iranian nuclear bomb.

Do you feel it necessary to put on Chapstick before you lubricate Democrat's boots with your lips?
LOL. Project much, because if anyone is a boot licker it is you. A synonym would be "toady" You don't think for yourself and are little more than a talking robot spewing out bullshit you glean from terrible sources.

Unlike you, I know that Iran is operating under a fatwa from the Supreme Leader that bans nuclear weapons. But even discounting that, step back and look at where we are today. Is Iran closer to attaining a nuclear weapon? Well yes if you are looking at their enrichment capabilities, which brings us to North Korea.

Ex president Jimmy Carter went to North Korea and negotiated a deal. They would close their the Yongbyon nuclear reactor, the heart of their nuclear program, in exchange for fuel oil and help constructing a light water reactor incapable of producing fissionable materials. Congress never appropriated the necessary funds and Bush withdrew from the deal prompting North Korea to fire that bad boy back up.

Now, fast forward to Iran. Part of the deal with Iran was providing them with enriched uranium for medical reasons. I doubt you even know anything about nuclear medicine. When Trump withdrew from the deal Iran lost that access to enriched uranium for nuclear medicine. Their people deserve the benefits of nuclear medicine and they, like North Korea, were forced to take the steps necessary in order to attain that enriched uranium.

So the Republicans, whose boots you lick, are the ones responsible, not only for North Korea attaining nuclear weapons, but for Iran increasing their enrichment capabilities. It is not that hard to figure out, and the fact that you are so uninformed, or maybe misinformed is a better description, is a clear representation of your ignorance despite all the accolades you might place on yourself.
 

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When she can't address valid arguments she resorts to this. Every time. She's a firm believer and practitioner of "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit"
Her bullshit childish attempt to insult just hurts her own credibility.
She needs to gain the confidence to be able to rest on her message alone.
 

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