In gun free Britain, man beaten so badly he will never smell or taste again...

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This is what is allowed in gun free Britain.....a gang of teens beat a man so badly it leaves him with permanent nerve damage...

Man beaten so badly by teen gang he will never be able to smell or taste again | Metro News

A man was battered within an inch of his life by a gang of teenage yobs at a tram stop. Police said they had never seen such severe injuries as Ian Scott was kicked more than 70 times in the unprovoked assault. The 50-year-old suffered a bleed behind his left eye, a broken nose, two broken ribs, deep bruising and he lost multiple teeth in the savage attack.




Now...the United States.....

66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody

Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.

The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.

Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.

Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.

Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.


Police: Armed Woman Stops Road Rage Attacker with One Shot - Breitbart

Police in Glendale, Arizona, say an armed woman stopped a road rage attacker with one shot on Wednesday.
The armed motorist repeatedly said she was armed but the attacker ignored her warnings.

According to 3 TV/CBS 5, Glendale Police Sgt. Scott Waite said a driver that was cut off by another vehicle at 67th and Olive Avenues, and then followed the vehicle “to 59th Avenue and Bell Road where a physical altercation took place.”

The road rage suspect allegedly approached the car and struck the passenger in the face, at which point the female driver exited the vehicle and announced that she was armed. Unfazed, “the suspect then [allegedly] approached the armed driver and punched her in the face and continued to assault her, putting her into a headlock.”


Waite said the road rage suspect kept attacking the driver, even though the driver continued warning that she was armed. Realizing there was no other option, the driver then fired one shot, “ending the fight.”

A witness of the incident told 12 News, “One of them broke the car window of another car pulled the lady out and they started fighting in the middle of the street. One got on top of the other and the girl just pulled out a gun and shot her in the gut.”



CWB Chicago: River North: Motorist With Concealed-Carry Saves Victim From 3-On-1 Beat-Down And Robbery

An armed suburban man with a concealed-carry license intervened in a 3-on-1 beating and robbery in River North yesterday evening, according to a witness and police.

The victim was in the 700 block of North Clark around 8:30 p.m. when three offenders wearing white surgical masks attacked him and began taking his property, police said.

A passing motorist who saw the robbery unfold pulled over, unholstered his concealed firearm and intervened in the attack. The three offenders fled westbound on Chicago Avenue as the concealed-carry holder protected the victim, according to a witness.

The driver, who lives in Mt. Prospect, returned to his vehicle and drove away after stabilizing the situation, a witness reported.

The victim lost his phone to the robbers who were described as two black men and one black woman wearing surgical masks. One of the offenders wore a red jacket and the others wore dark clothing.

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Fatal Lawndale shooting ruled self-defense, woman not charged

A woman who shot a man after he stabbed her multiple times Thursday afternoon in Lawndale acted in self-defense and will not be charged, police said.


About 4:05 p.m. Oct. 5, the 25-year-old man was shot in the chest when he stabbed the 25-year-old woman multiple times in the 4000 block of West 21st Street, Chicago Police said.

The woman was taken in serious condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, and the man was pronounced dead at the scene at 4:48 p.m., authorities said.

The Cook County medical examiner’s office identified him as Pleasure Cardell Singleton Jr.

The stabbing was believed to be a domestic incident, police said, but the nature of the relationship between the two wasn’t released.

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Armed Citizen Saves Security Officer from 'Tire Iron' Beating

An armed citizen intervened in a parking lot attack, saving a loss prevention officer from an impending “tire iron” assault at the hands of robbery suspects.

According to KVII, Amarillo police say that around 12:45 p.m. on April 3, 35-year-old Ricky Solis was in a Home Depot parking lot in Amarillo, Texas, when he “[took] power tools from the store and left without paying.”

A loss prevention officer reportedly cornered Solis in the parking lot, and a struggle ensued. Police say that during the struggle a second suspect began attacking the loss prevention officer and kicked him in the face.

The second suspect went to his vehicle, grabbed a “tire iron,” and returned, apparently planning to use the iron on the officer.

At that point, a citizen with a concealed carry permit intervened, stopping the attack and reportedly forcing Solis to comply long enough to allow the loss prevention officer to handcuff him and hold him until police arrived.

Solis was arrested for robbery, and the second suspect was able to flee the scene.
 
no one in the US gets murdered/beaten?


Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
 
no one in the US gets murdered/beaten?


Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
........obviously people get carjacked/robbed/murdered/etc with the US having one of the greatest gun ownership rates
???
 
no one in the US gets murdered/beaten?


Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
........obviously people get carjacked/robbed/murdered/etc with the US having one of the greatest gun ownership rates
???


Yep....but when the victim does have a gun, they can and do stop the attack...something British citizens cannot choose to do......

And as research shows, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%...... this is not saying carrying guns caused some of the declines...though there is research that does show this.... but it does show as a fact that law abiding people who own and carry guns do not increase the gun crime or murder rate..which is the basic claim of anti-gunners.
 
no one in the US gets murdered/beaten?


Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
........obviously people get carjacked/robbed/murdered/etc with the US having one of the greatest gun ownership rates
???


Yep....but when the victim does have a gun, they can and do stop the attack...something British citizens cannot choose to do......

And as research shows, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%...... this is not saying carrying guns caused some of the declines...though there is research that does show this.... but it does show as a fact that law abiding people who own and carry guns do not increase the gun crime or murder rate..which is the basic claim of anti-gunners.
a cop with a gun just got murdered at the hospital
 
no one in the US gets murdered/beaten?


Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
........obviously people get carjacked/robbed/murdered/etc with the US having one of the greatest gun ownership rates
???


Yep....but when the victim does have a gun, they can and do stop the attack...something British citizens cannot choose to do......

And as research shows, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%...... this is not saying carrying guns caused some of the declines...though there is research that does show this.... but it does show as a fact that law abiding people who own and carry guns do not increase the gun crime or murder rate..which is the basic claim of anti-gunners.
a cop with a gun just got murdered at the hospital


And? Those people in those news articles are still alive.....as are cops all around the country who have to draw and use their guns.

Gun murder 2016.....11,004, 70-80% of the victims, in Chicago 90% of the victims, are criminals, not law abiding people....

According to the CDC....Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....using guns to save lives.....
 
no one in the US gets murdered/beaten?


Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
........obviously people get carjacked/robbed/murdered/etc with the US having one of the greatest gun ownership rates
???


Yep....but when the victim does have a gun, they can and do stop the attack...something British citizens cannot choose to do......

And as research shows, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%...... this is not saying carrying guns caused some of the declines...though there is research that does show this.... but it does show as a fact that law abiding people who own and carry guns do not increase the gun crime or murder rate..which is the basic claim of anti-gunners.
a cop with a gun just got murdered at the hospital


And? Those people in those news articles are still alive.....as are cops all around the country who have to draw and use their guns.

Gun murder 2016.....11,004, 70-80% of the victims, in Chicago 90% of the victims, are criminals, not law abiding people....

According to the CDC....Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....using guns to save lives.....
so we don't have definite proof having a gun is going to save you
but we do know that strict gun control/bans = lower murder rate
Germany France UK
 
Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
........obviously people get carjacked/robbed/murdered/etc with the US having one of the greatest gun ownership rates
???


Yep....but when the victim does have a gun, they can and do stop the attack...something British citizens cannot choose to do......

And as research shows, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%...... this is not saying carrying guns caused some of the declines...though there is research that does show this.... but it does show as a fact that law abiding people who own and carry guns do not increase the gun crime or murder rate..which is the basic claim of anti-gunners.
a cop with a gun just got murdered at the hospital


And? Those people in those news articles are still alive.....as are cops all around the country who have to draw and use their guns.

Gun murder 2016.....11,004, 70-80% of the victims, in Chicago 90% of the victims, are criminals, not law abiding people....

According to the CDC....Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....using guns to save lives.....
so we don't have definite proof having a gun is going to save you
but we do know that strict gun control/bans = lower murder rate
Germany France UK


No...you are wrong on both counts....

Gun bans have not reduced the murder rate, as Britain shows. They had low gun murder before they banned guns, and now they have low gun murder rates after they banned guns, but the murder number is going up, as is the gun crime number....

Meanwhile, you can't explain why it is that gun murder went down in the United States as millions more people began to own and carry guns in the mid 1990s to today...gun murder down 49%.....while in Britain gun crime is up 42% in London alone after going up 89% the ten years after they banned guns....

France, you saw the articles from France where fully automatic military weapons are the guns of choice for French criminals...showing that their gun control laws also do not work...

France....

France has strict gun laws. Why didn’t that save Charlie Hebdo victims?


How did the attackers get the guns?

Almost certainly illegally. Bloomberg reports that weapons designed for military use, such as the Kalashnikov AK series, have been illegally flooding France over the past few years, with state bodies recording double digit increases.

“The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms,” Philippe Capon, the head of UNSA police union, told Bloomberg. “They are everywhere in France.”

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The number of illegal guns is thought to be at least twice the number of legal guns in the country. Weapons such as AK-47s can be bought for the equivalent of a few thousand dollars.

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https://www.thelocal.fr/20171004/five-things-to-know-about-guns-in-france

4. Millions of illegal weapons
France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.

Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.
Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.


The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.
The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.

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Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”
 
Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
........obviously people get carjacked/robbed/murdered/etc with the US having one of the greatest gun ownership rates
???


Yep....but when the victim does have a gun, they can and do stop the attack...something British citizens cannot choose to do......

And as research shows, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%...... this is not saying carrying guns caused some of the declines...though there is research that does show this.... but it does show as a fact that law abiding people who own and carry guns do not increase the gun crime or murder rate..which is the basic claim of anti-gunners.
a cop with a gun just got murdered at the hospital


And? Those people in those news articles are still alive.....as are cops all around the country who have to draw and use their guns.

Gun murder 2016.....11,004, 70-80% of the victims, in Chicago 90% of the victims, are criminals, not law abiding people....

According to the CDC....Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....using guns to save lives.....
so we don't have definite proof having a gun is going to save you
but we do know that strict gun control/bans = lower murder rate
Germany France UK


No...you are wrong on both counts....

Gun bans have not reduced the murder rate, as Britain shows. They had low gun murder before they banned guns, and now they have low gun murder rates after they banned guns, but the murder number is going up, as is the gun crime number....

Meanwhile, you can't explain why it is that gun murder went down in the United States as millions more people began to own and carry guns in the mid 1990s to today...gun murder down 49%.....while in Britain gun crime is up 42% in London alone after going up 89% the ten years after they banned guns....

France, you saw the articles from France where fully automatic military weapons are the guns of choice for French criminals...showing that their gun control laws also do not work...

France....

France has strict gun laws. Why didn’t that save Charlie Hebdo victims?


How did the attackers get the guns?

Almost certainly illegally. Bloomberg reports that weapons designed for military use, such as the Kalashnikov AK series, have been illegally flooding France over the past few years, with state bodies recording double digit increases.

“The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms,” Philippe Capon, the head of UNSA police union, told Bloomberg. “They are everywhere in France.”

----

The number of illegal guns is thought to be at least twice the number of legal guns in the country. Weapons such as AK-47s can be bought for the equivalent of a few thousand dollars.

------

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171004/five-things-to-know-about-guns-in-france

4. Millions of illegal weapons
France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.

Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.
Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.


The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.
The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.

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Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”
 
Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
........obviously people get carjacked/robbed/murdered/etc with the US having one of the greatest gun ownership rates
???


Yep....but when the victim does have a gun, they can and do stop the attack...something British citizens cannot choose to do......

And as research shows, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%...... this is not saying carrying guns caused some of the declines...though there is research that does show this.... but it does show as a fact that law abiding people who own and carry guns do not increase the gun crime or murder rate..which is the basic claim of anti-gunners.
a cop with a gun just got murdered at the hospital


And? Those people in those news articles are still alive.....as are cops all around the country who have to draw and use their guns.

Gun murder 2016.....11,004, 70-80% of the victims, in Chicago 90% of the victims, are criminals, not law abiding people....

According to the CDC....Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....using guns to save lives.....
so we don't have definite proof having a gun is going to save you
but we do know that strict gun control/bans = lower murder rate
Germany France UK


No...you are wrong on both counts....

Gun bans have not reduced the murder rate, as Britain shows. They had low gun murder before they banned guns, and now they have low gun murder rates after they banned guns, but the murder number is going up, as is the gun crime number....

Meanwhile, you can't explain why it is that gun murder went down in the United States as millions more people began to own and carry guns in the mid 1990s to today...gun murder down 49%.....while in Britain gun crime is up 42% in London alone after going up 89% the ten years after they banned guns....

France, you saw the articles from France where fully automatic military weapons are the guns of choice for French criminals...showing that their gun control laws also do not work...

France....

France has strict gun laws. Why didn’t that save Charlie Hebdo victims?


How did the attackers get the guns?

Almost certainly illegally. Bloomberg reports that weapons designed for military use, such as the Kalashnikov AK series, have been illegally flooding France over the past few years, with state bodies recording double digit increases.

“The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms,” Philippe Capon, the head of UNSA police union, told Bloomberg. “They are everywhere in France.”

----

The number of illegal guns is thought to be at least twice the number of legal guns in the country. Weapons such as AK-47s can be bought for the equivalent of a few thousand dollars.

------

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171004/five-things-to-know-about-guns-in-france

4. Millions of illegal weapons
France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.

Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.
Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.


The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.
The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.

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Hmmmm...I don't think I put that anywhere in the post.....

What I point out is that in the U.S. we have access to the best tool to keep from being beaten senseless by a gang of teenagers...something the British people do not have, which is why their violent crime rates are going through the roof....
........obviously people get carjacked/robbed/murdered/etc with the US having one of the greatest gun ownership rates
???


Yep....but when the victim does have a gun, they can and do stop the attack...something British citizens cannot choose to do......

And as research shows, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%...... this is not saying carrying guns caused some of the declines...though there is research that does show this.... but it does show as a fact that law abiding people who own and carry guns do not increase the gun crime or murder rate..which is the basic claim of anti-gunners.
a cop with a gun just got murdered at the hospital


And? Those people in those news articles are still alive.....as are cops all around the country who have to draw and use their guns.

Gun murder 2016.....11,004, 70-80% of the victims, in Chicago 90% of the victims, are criminals, not law abiding people....

According to the CDC....Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....using guns to save lives.....
so we don't have definite proof having a gun is going to save you
but we do know that strict gun control/bans = lower murder rate
Germany France UK


More on France....

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.
 
and Japan


Yeah....Japan.....they keep gun crime low through their culture...they don't mind living in a police state.....also, they do the one thing you guys won't do....lock up violent gun criminals for long periods of time....

Japan's police state culture, and their long prison sentences keep Yakuza from using guns to settle their wars...the last one was in 2006 and lasted 8 years where they used guns and grenades....now, it is 15 years for mere possession of a gun by a criminal, longer if it has bullets, and longer if it is more than one....

For some reason, you guys want repeat, violent gun offenders released from prison, over and over again...I don't know why you support this, while we on the 2nd Amendment side want actual gun criminals, the ones doing the shooting, locked up for 30 years for gun crime...

Explain that...

This is why Japan has a low crime rate.....all crime is low in Japan, not just gun crime....the police have powers over there Americans would not tolerate....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.



Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers,Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.
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and Japan


Why is it that people like you don't support long prison sentences for actual gun criminals...that is how you actually stop gun crime, not by targeting law abiding gun owners....

Japan...

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”
 
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And as I keep explaining to people like you....American criminals have a different culture from the ones in Europe and Japan......their criminals use guns in Europe, but don't kill with them....

And in Japan, their youths don't use guns as a point of honor.....

American criminals are guarding drug territory, Japanese criminals are stuck in the 1950s, at least when it was the 1980s....

A 1980s study on juvenile crime in Japan sheds light on American gun culture

Although the gang rivalry was strong—”messy,” Beck says—and the resulting injuries could be serious, fatalities were virtually nonexistent. Not because of any moral code—the gang members simply didn’t have guns.

Beck initially thought this was due to Japan’s strict gun laws, but discovered it had far more to do with the narrative of heroism. Gang members knew where to get guns, legally or illegally, but they weren’t particularly interested in doing so.

“Their reasons for remaining gun-free revolved around some loosely held concept of honor,” Beck says. “Being able to move your finger on a trigger is not really a skill that wows anyone.” This flew in the face of Beck’s experience in America, where cowboy mythology relied heavily on guns, which were embedded in the idea of American honor and bravery.

Not so for the Japanese, who were accustomed to samurai skills and martial arts as depiction of courageous, honorable ways to take down an enemy. Choosing a more difficult weapon placed value on the fight itself, rather than merely its result.

“A gun in Japan would earn the wielder scorn,” Beck says, “not respect.”
 

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