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In Britain, this woman would have been helpless facing this criminal who had knives and a machete.

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Oh, all this "concern" over women, wouldn't have anything to do with the NRA and gun manufacturers targeting (if you pardon the word) women to buy guns as gun sales have been in decline over the last decade would it?
 
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No....you once again didn't understand.....

We have 1.1 million self defense uses of guns...brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, and murders that are stopped by law abiding gun owners....



Captain Kirk says yet again…


We’ve been down this road before, and we both know that figure is pure guesswork averaged out by you based on guesswork by others. The true figure could be ten times that or one tenth of that; no-one knows because these incidents are not officially recorded anywhere and are based on sample telephone surveys that are extrapolated.


Not guess work, professional research....from private and public research groups, in particular, the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice......two of the 17.
 
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Oh, all this "concern" over women, wouldn't have anything to do with the NRA and gun manufacturers targeting (if you pardon the word) women to buy guns as gun sales have been in decline over the last decade would it?


Gun sales haven't declined.......and pointing out women is important...since as I keep pointing out, men can kill with their bare hands, knives, clubs, Petrol, drowning.....they can beat, torture and rape...

All without guns..........

Meanwhile...women can be beaten, raped, tortured, robbed, and murdered....all without guns...

But....the most effective tool to preserve life in the event of a violent criminal attack is a gun....

And idiots like you prefer that women are gang raped, beaten, tortured, stabbed and murdered, rather than have the opportunity to stop the attack with a gun....

Please....since you have refused to answer the question in the past..

The two stories...

One woman gang raped in a London park....

One woman stabbed, beaten, and two teeth pulled out of her head by her attacker, who was on a restraining order at the time.


Which do you prefer...

The woman is gang raped, the woman is beaten, stabbed and had teeth pulled out...

Or....

The two women stop the attacks using a gun.


Please......enlighten us.
 
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Guns in the hands of women allow them to stop the attack...

I don’t have to answer your strawmen “questions”. I’ll leave that to a woman (apparently one of the 100 most influential women in the world),

“The most insidious lie of the evening, however, was Loesch’s insistence that armed women could better defend themselves from rape – a claim that’s not only easily disproven, but that serves a very specific purpose: the NRA wants us to believe that guns protect the most vulnerable among us, instead of realizing the truth – that they kill the most vulnerable.

Women are much more likely to be fatally hurt by a gun than saved by one. Women who live in abusive situations are considered at grave risk when a gun is in the home – no matter who owns it – and women killed by their partners are more likely to be murdered with a gun than all other weapons combined. (Loesch and the NRA know this, of course, yet have lobbied for years against measures that would keep guns out of abusers’ hands.)

This is especially important considering that the vast majority of sexual assaults aren’t committed by strangers lurking in bushes, but by acquaintances, friends, and even loved ones.

In addition to the overwhelming research that shows guns are more likely to kill than protect women, it’s also fairly clear what would happen if women did arm themselves against rapists and abusers.

If a woman were raped and found not to be carrying a weapon, would we blame her for being foolish in the same way culture does now when women are attacked at night, or after they’ve had a drink?

Over the last few months, we’ve seen the way women are treated when they dared to simply out the men who hurt them – does anyone really believe women shooting them would somehow go over better?

And at what point should a woman who fears being raped shoot her attacker? Should she pull the trigger when he ignores her first “no”? After he pushes her on to a bed? Or would a woman need to wait until penetration is literally about to occur to shoot, just to be sure?

That last question she raises is very interesting.

And that woman is an idiot.....

Again.....these women with abusive partners can be beaten, stabbed, tortured, set on fire, and murdered by men who do not have guns........I listed a few, one stabbed, one hit with a hatchet......

The woman who was beaten, stabbed, and had her teeth pulled out by her ex husband, had a restraining order on him............which means he was not living with her at the time......which means, twit......in America, she could have gotten a gun, had it with her and stopped him from attacking her...

The woman in the park...do you think the group of men who raped her were cousins? It is England after all.....or were they all ex-boyfriends when they dragged her down and took their turns....?

Had she been in America, she could have had a gun with her and driven them off...just like the woman in my news article who drove off two men, one armed with a baseball bat.....simply by drawing her gun......

Meanwhile...actual research...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury.

Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.


I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.


First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.



Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).


Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together.
Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun.


Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.


Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.)


The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.
 
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Ah, as expected, your usual torrent of BS followed my posts, the inevitable firehose of falshood. OK, moving on.


Here........please tell these women they are better off without their gun.....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
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Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns

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Guns in the hands of women allow them to stop the attack...

I don’t have to answer your strawmen “questions”. I’ll leave that to a woman (apparently one of the 100 most influential women in the world),

“The most insidious lie of the evening, however, was Loesch’s insistence that armed women could better defend themselves from rape – a claim that’s not only easily disproven, but that serves a very specific purpose: the NRA wants us to believe that guns protect the most vulnerable among us, instead of realizing the truth – that they kill the most vulnerable.

Women are much more likely to be fatally hurt by a gun than saved by one. Women who live in abusive situations are considered at grave risk when a gun is in the home – no matter who owns it – and women killed by their partners are more likely to be murdered with a gun than all other weapons combined. (Loesch and the NRA know this, of course, yet have lobbied for years against measures that would keep guns out of abusers’ hands.)

This is especially important considering that the vast majority of sexual assaults aren’t committed by strangers lurking in bushes, but by acquaintances, friends, and even loved ones.

In addition to the overwhelming research that shows guns are more likely to kill than protect women, it’s also fairly clear what would happen if women did arm themselves against rapists and abusers.

If a woman were raped and found not to be carrying a weapon, would we blame her for being foolish in the same way culture does now when women are attacked at night, or after they’ve had a drink?

Over the last few months, we’ve seen the way women are treated when they dared to simply out the men who hurt them – does anyone really believe women shooting them would somehow go over better?

And at what point should a woman who fears being raped shoot her attacker? Should she pull the trigger when he ignores her first “no”? After he pushes her on to a bed? Or would a woman need to wait until penetration is literally about to occur to shoot, just to be sure?

That last question she raises is very interesting.


Please...I have a time machine......would you go back in time and take the guns away from these women?

Mother Shoots Intruder 'Multiple Times' to Save Baby - Breitbart

An Indianapolis mother shot a man “multiple times” after he allegedly broke into the home through the window in the baby’s room.

According to CBS 4, family members said that around noon on March 24, the woman “heard the window get busted and she called her husband and said I think somebody’s breaking in the house.”

She grabbed her pistol and ran toward the sound of breaking glass, only to be confronted by the alleged intruder who shot at her, but missed.

The mother then opened fire and struck the suspect “multiple times.” He was transported to a hospital for treatment.

In addition to being armed, a 911 dispatcher said the suspect was “carrying zip ties and a walkie-talkie.”
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CCW IN ACTION: Armed 22-Year-Old Woman Stops Three Men Attempting To Rob Her In Store Parking Lot – Concealed Nation

OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA — A concealed carrier successfully thwarted the efforts of three men to rob her late at night outside a Dollar Tree. According to police reports from the scene, the woman was exiting the Dollar Tree and heading to her car when she was approached by a man and asked to walk with him. When she refused, he point-blank told her he was going to rob her of her purse.

At this point, according to KOCO, she was presented by two other men backing up the first. She withdrew her concealed carry pistol from her purse and threatened to use it to protect herself. All three men quickly exited and fled the scene.
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Woman Scares off Assailant With Stick. Just Kidding, it was a gun.

Just before 7pm on Wednesday night, a 29 year-old woman had gathered up her dog and headed outside to… well, to let her dog do what dogs do.

Upon her first step outside her Minot, North Dakota home, she was hit solidly in the face with a blunt object, knocking her backward down the stairs and into her home.

Her assailant followed her into her home and started to approach her, but the woman had made it to a cabinet where she retrieved a handgun to protect herself and her home.

When confronted with the firearm, the violent intruder and would-be robber/rapist/murderer fled the scene.

The smart, independent, gun-owning woman did not require medical attention, most likely due to the fact that she was able to pull a weapon on her assailant to end the attack.
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DGU of the Day: Trotwood Ohio Woman Defeats Three Home Invaders - The Truth About Guns

Three men break into a home in Trotwood, Ohio. [Click here to watch the video.] They’re all armed. It is before 6 am, just three days after Christmas. One of the men is armed with a Tec-9 pistol. He enters last. The other two hold what appear to be conventional semi-auto pistols. They bypass two sleeping children to find the mother. The surveillance video shows the three following the mother after they pistol whipped her in the laundry room.

The man directly behind her has the Tec-9. Presumably holds her at gunpoint while the other two attempt to drag off a safe, in a room with two more children. While the two men are occupied with the safe, the woman breaks free from her captor, accesses a hidden pistol, and starts to fire.

All three run, but the Tec-9 gunman, Azikiwe Presley, is mortally wounded. His body is found 100 yards from the house. From wdtn.com:

“I got my gun and I started shooting and they ran,” the female caller told dispatchers. “They all three had guns, I’m confused … they must not have had bullets because after I pulled the trigger they just took off, instead of firing back. I don’t know if I hit one or not, I don’t see blood anywhere.”

In this case, the recipient of female dedication to protecting innocent life ran a hundred yards and died. It is not uncommon for a man who is fatally shot to run that far, even with a heart/lung shot. As he was likely the one holding the woman at gunpoint, and the closest, greatest, threat with the Tec-9, it is not surprising that he drew the lethal ticket. Whether through choice or happenstance, the mother made the right tactical decision.
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Concealed Carrier Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With Her FNX .45

CLEVELAND, TENNESSEE — A woman successfully subdued a would-be burglar outside her home using her FNX .45. The suspect, James Jeffrey Dunn, was allegedly trying to break in through her front door late at night. She got her handgun and confronted the burglar, according to WRCB. Once at the doorway, she yelled through the door for him to stay put and not move. Moments later, she confronted him head-on — handgun drawn and ready to go.

via WRCB

“I tried to order him to stay right where he was at and I pointed the gun at him and I came running off the porch and I came within 10 feet of him and he laid the bicycle down and he crumpled on top of the bicycle,” she says.

She held him at gunpoint until Cleveland Police arrived and arrested Dunn, 35, on charges of aggravated burglary, theft, and burglary of a motor vehicle. Police note that Dunn had an arrest sheet tallying over 40 charges — the most recent being only 6 hours prior to his attempted burglary of this concealed carrier.

“We went over this when we got my concealed carry permit, these types of scenarios. But I had already put that gun up and ever taken it out since, you know?” she says. “Maybe to go the range once.”

When we talk about the new generation of concealed carriers, let’s take a good long look at the realities these people are facing: hardened, career criminals unafraid to bust through the door or do damage to private property and persons. It’s a good thing this woman had the proper training she needed and the right equipment.
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Armed South Carolina Woman Chases Off Daytime Home Invader - The Truth About Guns

When Ms. Reeves ran across Ralph Goss slithering around inside her home yesterday in the middle of the afternoon, she drew her firearm. Staring down that barrel was enough to change Goss’s mind about whatever it was he had planned.

“I’m one of those people that can go from zero to a hundred in 2.5 seconds and I’m not a nice person normally, but as soon as I got on the phone with the sheriff’s department he was out of sight. The severity of it hit me, and I was in hysterics. I was crying, I was scared, I was very shaken.”

Oconee County deputies tracked Goss down within hours of Ms. Reeves’ call. And surprise! He already had several outstanding warrants for his arrest.
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Oh, all this "concern" over women, wouldn't have anything to do with the NRA and gun manufacturers targeting (if you pardon the word) women to buy guns as gun sales have been in decline over the last decade would it?


Gun sales haven't declined.......and pointing out women is important...since as I keep pointing out, men can kill with their bare hands, knives, clubs, Petrol, drowning.....they can beat, torture and rape...

All without guns..........

Meanwhile...women can be beaten, raped, tortured, robbed, and murdered....all without guns...

But....the most effective tool to preserve life in the event of a violent criminal attack is a gun....

And idiots like you prefer that women are gang raped, beaten, tortured, stabbed and murdered, rather than have the opportunity to stop the attack with a gun....

Please....since you have refused to answer the question in the past..

The two stories...

One woman gang raped in a London park....

One woman stabbed, beaten, and two teeth pulled out of her head by her attacker, who was on a restraining order at the time.


Which do you prefer...

The woman is gang raped, the woman is beaten, stabbed and had teeth pulled out...

Or....

The two women stop the attacks using a gun.



Thanks to the Democrats, my gun stocks keep going up.
 
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Oh, all this "concern" over women, wouldn't have anything to do with the NRA and gun manufacturers targeting (if you pardon the word) women to buy guns as gun sales have been in decline over the last decade would it?


Yeah........gun sales haven't been going down.....



And another fun fact....

The following shows that access to guns does not increase gun crime or gun murder.........

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

https://crimeresearch.org/2020/10/n...n-issuing-permits-because-of-the-coronavirus/


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This stopped in 2015.


What happened in 2015?

Our democrat party began to attack our local and state police forces.....this is called the Ferguson Effect, and it caused our police to stop pro-active police activity, which has allowed violent criminals to commit more gun crime and murder.......

It isn't normal Americans using their legal guns for crime...it is the democrat party attacking the police that is driving our murder statistics........
 

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...and another torrent of cut and paste BS from 2aguy follows as expected in a desperate attempt to hide my posts; standard Communist/Fascist propaganda technique. OK moving on.
 

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Oh, all this "concern" over women, wouldn't have anything to do with the NRA and gun manufacturers targeting (if you pardon the word) women to buy guns as gun sales have been in decline over the last decade would it?


Gun sales haven't declined.......and pointing out women is important...since as I keep pointing out, men can kill with their bare hands, knives, clubs, Petrol, drowning.....they can beat, torture and rape...

All without guns..........

Meanwhile...women can be beaten, raped, tortured, robbed, and murdered....all without guns...

But....the most effective tool to preserve life in the event of a violent criminal attack is a gun....

And idiots like you prefer that women are gang raped, beaten, tortured, stabbed and murdered, rather than have the opportunity to stop the attack with a gun....

Please....since you have refused to answer the question in the past..

The two stories...

One woman gang raped in a London park....

One woman stabbed, beaten, and two teeth pulled out of her head by her attacker, who was on a restraining order at the time.


Which do you prefer...

The woman is gang raped, the woman is beaten, stabbed and had teeth pulled out...

Or....

The two women stop the attacks using a gun.



Thanks to the Democrats, my gun stocks keep going up.
Thank you. You demonstrate perfectly that "gun nuts" buy and own the vast majority of guns sold to increase their arsenals:

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The question per se is not about selling or buying guns. But about the right on self defense and how this right is understood by the legal system and courts.

Above the story about a woman in Ohio is mentioned. If she had really gunned down those men, what would the chances be she would be able to plea not guilty in the court in Ohio or somewhere in Britain? What would these chances be if the men hadn't had a bat?
 
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...and another torrent of cut and paste BS from 2aguy follows as expected in a desperate attempt to hide my posts; standard Communist/Fascist propaganda technique. OK moving on.


Hide your posts?

Are you this big of a twit in real life or only when you post?

I posted real world examples that you can't answer....should those women have the ability to use guns to stop violent attacks against them?

You refuse to answer........so I post actual events....and you do the typical left wing dodge...

"Hey, you don't know what you are talking about......" I post actual information, and facts, and reality...

Then

"You just cut and paste, cause you're a jerk...."

You are an idiot.
 
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Oh, all this "concern" over women, wouldn't have anything to do with the NRA and gun manufacturers targeting (if you pardon the word) women to buy guns as gun sales have been in decline over the last decade would it?


Gun sales haven't declined.......and pointing out women is important...since as I keep pointing out, men can kill with their bare hands, knives, clubs, Petrol, drowning.....they can beat, torture and rape...

All without guns..........

Meanwhile...women can be beaten, raped, tortured, robbed, and murdered....all without guns...

But....the most effective tool to preserve life in the event of a violent criminal attack is a gun....

And idiots like you prefer that women are gang raped, beaten, tortured, stabbed and murdered, rather than have the opportunity to stop the attack with a gun....

Please....since you have refused to answer the question in the past..

The two stories...

One woman gang raped in a London park....

One woman stabbed, beaten, and two teeth pulled out of her head by her attacker, who was on a restraining order at the time.


Which do you prefer...

The woman is gang raped, the woman is beaten, stabbed and had teeth pulled out...

Or....

The two women stop the attacks using a gun.



Thanks to the Democrats, my gun stocks keep going up.
Thank you. You demonstrate perfectly that "gun nuts" buy and own the vast majority of guns sold to increase their arsenals:

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The majority of guns purchased in 2020 went to minorities and women....as the democrat party brown shirts of blm and antifa burned and looted our cities for 7 months....primarily in black neighborhoods, and then decided to stage marches in our suburbs.......where women realized the police can't protect them.....

YOu can pretend that Britain is immune to gun violence......your criminals are going to teach you, good and hard, that you are wrong.
 
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Yeah........gun sales haven't been going down.....
Really? So no actual sales figures then, just increased background checks? OK
Gun production has increased? OK, so the manufacturers make the guns and they're bought by dealers and spend most of the time in gun shops, got it.
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Yes....people simply like to walk into gun stores to have them run background checks.........with no intent on actually purchasing a gun......like the British like their Tea and Biscuits in the Afternoon, we Americans walk into gun stores and get our background checked...

You twit...

Dipshit.......just 2020....

Guns in America: Nearly 40 million guns were purchased legally in 2020 and another 4.1 million bought in January



2015....

According to the FBI, 2015 saw more Americans buying guns than ever before, with background checks surging 10 percent to 23.1 million. It was the largest number since the bureau began keeping statistics in 1998.



Since 1998, some 220 million firearms have been purchased.




And before the democrat party decided to go to war on our police forces starting in 2015.......

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
 
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I wish we had guns like you do in America. I would love to live in a country where I am free and there is no murder or rape.
Yes, it must be great to wake up every morning worrying whether or not you're going to get shot in a road rage incident, or whilst shopping, or going to school or even at a friend's party.

Still, not sure how useful all these guns are going to be against those Jewish space lasers targeted by the silicone chips in people's bloodstreams put their by Bill Gates and his devil worshipping cabal...:cuckoo::21:
I don’t wake up every morning worrying about being shot.

I am 75 years old with bad back and a hip that should be replaced. Since I walk with a noticeable limp and because of my age I will obviously be seen by a street predator to be a weak member of the herd.

Therefore my objective is to be prepared. I have a Concealed Weapons Permit and I carry a snub nosed .38 revolver in a pants pocket. I have fired thousands of rounds through the weapon and am proficient with it.

I also practice situational awareness which mainly means I don’t walk down dark streets with a cell phone glued to my ear. I pay attention to my surroundings and those in it. That alone will deter most predators and if one does endanger my life or health I have an effective means of self defense I can deploy.

Now I seriously doubt if I will ever have to draw my handgun for self defense. I carried it for over 20 years in a crime ridden part of Tampa, Florida but never had a reason to draw it for self defense. Now I have retired and live in a far more peaceful rural area of Florida but I still carry out of habit.

Throughout my lifetime I have learned that you try to be prepared for possible problems and once you are you stop worrying about their happening. For example if you worry about your home catching fire you get insurance, fire alarms, a fire extinguisher, keep a cell phone near and don’t do stupid things like smoke cigarettes in bed.
 

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If you make guns disappear forever....nothing stops violent criminals from using knives and machetes against unarmed, helpless victims...in Britain, this criminal would have had no problem dealing with this woman.....he could have murdered her and her children without much effort......

In the U.S., this woman made the choice to have a gun and stopped this guy....

Which is better?

1) the robber with the knives and machete murders the woman and her children....it would be his choice since as a man, he is stronger than the woman, and with knives and a machete, he has even more of an ability to kill.

2) the woman has the choice to buy, own and even carry a gun to stop the violent criminal attacking her with the knives or machete?

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …




Keep in mind.......in the U.S., Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals from committing rape, robbery and murder.....one or all 3 apply to what happened in this story........according to our Centers for Disease Control....

Out of those 1.1 million self defense with a gun incidents....only 235 criminals were killed by normal gun owners.....this is because guns allow the weak, the old, women, to defeat much stronger attackers.

Notice that this criminal decided to press his attack, even after she pointed the gun at him, even after she fired warning shots......this is a stupid criminal, and he is lucky he didn't die...


In Britain.....criminals have no fear of their victims.....or now, even the police....
God bless America! God bless our second amendment!
Joe Biden must be removed from office via the 25th amendment before he outlaws private firearms.

It is a scandal that the old senile fraud has not been booted out already......the democratic party must be held accountable.

Of course he'll be removed by the 25th or just resign but look at who replaces him? The scandal will be when he is booted out because that was the Socialist plan all along. But gun control will actually get worse.
 

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If you make guns disappear forever....nothing stops violent criminals from using knives and machetes against unarmed, helpless victims...in Britain, this criminal would have had no problem dealing with this woman.....he could have murdered her and her children without much effort......

In the U.S., this woman made the choice to have a gun and stopped this guy....

Which is better?

1) the robber with the knives and machete murders the woman and her children....it would be his choice since as a man, he is stronger than the woman, and with knives and a machete, he has even more of an ability to kill.

2) the woman has the choice to buy, own and even carry a gun to stop the violent criminal attacking her with the knives or machete?

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …



Keep in mind.......in the U.S., Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals from committing rape, robbery and murder.....one or all 3 apply to what happened in this story........according to our Centers for Disease Control....

Out of those 1.1 million self defense with a gun incidents....only 235 criminals were killed by normal gun owners.....this is because guns allow the weak, the old, women, to defeat much stronger attackers.

Notice that this criminal decided to press his attack, even after she pointed the gun at him, even after she fired warning shots......this is a stupid criminal, and he is lucky he didn't die...


In Britain.....criminals have no fear of their victims.....or now, even the police....

A typical system invented by commies and satanists-
Not criminals but their victims are villains
 

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