I'm Siding With The MLB Players This Time

[WillPower]

It is not profit sharing if the share is capped

The owners always tell the players it's a game until a salary-cap comes up and then they tell them it's a business. Again, the owners hold cities hostage, threatening to move the franchise if the city won't build them a new stadium every twenty years. Then they get an anti-trust exemption that keeps the players the property of the franchise for the first four years of their career. The players can be traded (uproot the family, pull the kids out of school) and sent to a city they have no desire to play in at the whim of the owner. Now, the players know all this before they turn pro and can retire anytime they don't like it.

But wait...even if they retire they still belong to the team until they are either traded or released, So later they go free agent and may sign with a partial no-trade contract once they're established and make an All Star team or two. Then they might accept a financial incentive to break the no-trade and accept a trade to a team they like. The owners can choke off free agency by simply not signing big stars and leave them dangling until they have to accept a fraction of what they were supposedly worth recently.

And the battle between labor and management rolls along while the value of the franchise skyrockets. When some new billionaire who wants his face in the newspapers and internet comes along, they may ditch their team and city and sell it to the newcomer as long as he doesn't have gambling ties. Wait, they just dropped that rule too...the Ilitch family in Detroit owns the Tigers, Pistons, and casinos which will now accept bets on MLB games. I wonder how that could possibly go wrong.....ever heard of the Black Sox? Hello?

 

[White 6]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

 

[Rambunctious]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

 

[WillPower]

The first thing is.. the economy needs to restart. If people can not afford sports at any level, that is going to affect it. If people can not afford cable TV that also will affect it. I harp on cable TV because it is a pure cash cow. I understand the added channels to prime basic channels. But the nickel and diming adds up. The over 20 minutes of commercials per hour of programming is no bargain either.

I can remember the beginning of cable TV.....Ted Turner in Atlanta convinced the government they should allow private enterprise access to communication satellites and TBS was born. One of the draws was there would be NO commercials with pay-TV. I assume we all knew how long that would last. I found a cable box in a bedroom closet of a house I bought and hooked it up....it hadn't been disconnected at the pole......FREE cable for years. Sold that house, bought another one, same deal...never disconnected at the pole.....until Cox came out, disconnected it, and the tech banged on the door yelling he "knew I was in there and had to turn over the box".....I made barking noises then told him I'd set the dog on him if he didn't RUN....he did. The box worked at an apartment I rented too....they never disconnect it seems figuring everybody has to have cable. Finally it blew up one night in the middle of an HBO movie I was watching. I gave it a proper burial and said a prayer for it's little burned-out circuit board soul. Amen.

 

[White 6]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

If not for the players there would be nobody attracted to fill the stands, sell overprice beer to or attract advertiser to sponsor watching on TV. I have seen owners on TV, but would you go and buy a ticket to see an owner?

 

[Rambunctious]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

If not for the players there would be nobody attracted to fill the stands, sell overprice beer to or attract advertiser to sponsor watching on TV. I have seen owners on TV, but would you go and buy a ticket to see an owner?

No players?....every kid in America dreams of playing major league baseball...if they want millions per year they should cooperate during this crisis...or they will end up screwing themselves...just ask NHL players.....their league viewing and attendance hasn't been the same since their strike....

 

[WillPower]

No players?....every kid in America dreams of playing major league baseball...if they want millions per year they should cooperate during this crisis...or they will end up screwing themselves...just ask NHL players.....their league viewing and attendance hasn't been the same since their strike....

There's a lot of posturing going on with the owners pulling this stunt. They can't get cleared to start "spring training" again for two more weeks anyway so don't expect a quick resolution. No worries...there will be a little movement on both sides until an agreement is struck. The PRESIDENT wants baseball back and the owners and union both know this ain't sissy Obama asking and both sides will knuckle under and they will play in early July with expanded rosters and playoffs.

 

[White 6]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

If not for the players there would be nobody attracted to fill the stands, sell overprice beer to or attract advertiser to sponsor watching on TV. I have seen owners on TV, but would you go and buy a ticket to see an owner?

No players?....every kid in America dreams of playing major league baseball...if they want millions per year they should cooperate during this crisis...or they will end up screwing themselves...just ask NHL players.....their league viewing and attendance hasn't been the same since their strike....

"No players?....every kid in America dreams of playing major league baseball", and seeing their favorite baseball heroes as the owners make millions per year trying to gouge more out of the players during this crises rather than pay what they agreed to pay for games played...or they will end up screwing themselves and the kids that dream of playing major league baseball. We can play these stupid word games all day long as I go about my work and come back in to see your anti union posts, but I am old enough, have been on both sides of union issues in person and not nearly as impressed with the power plays of either side, realizing consistently displaying a knee-jerk reliance on emotional dogma of either side, is less than meaningless and more often than not, counter productive in most cases. I am not an owner, a player or one of those poor, poor widdle kids dreaming of playing major league baseball. Neither are you. They will work this out, no matter how much non-involved observers demagogue the issue from their own limited perspective.

 

[rightwinger]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

LOL

You think the owners would kick back savings on player salaries to the fans?

 

[rightwinger]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

If not for the players there would be nobody attracted to fill the stands, sell overprice beer to or attract advertiser to sponsor watching on TV. I have seen owners on TV, but would you go and buy a ticket to see an owner?

No players?....every kid in America dreams of playing major league baseball...if they want millions per year they should cooperate during this crisis...or they will end up screwing themselves...just ask NHL players.....their league viewing and attendance hasn't been the same since their strike....

Sure...and I sing in the car
But nobody will fill a stadium to hear me sing.

 

[Rambunctious]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

If not for the players there would be nobody attracted to fill the stands, sell overprice beer to or attract advertiser to sponsor watching on TV. I have seen owners on TV, but would you go and buy a ticket to see an owner?

No players?....every kid in America dreams of playing major league baseball...if they want millions per year they should cooperate during this crisis...or they will end up screwing themselves...just ask NHL players.....their league viewing and attendance hasn't been the same since their strike....

Sure...and I sing in the car
But nobody will fill a stadium to hear me sing.

Double A ball is just as fun to watch....imo

 

[rightwinger]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

If not for the players there would be nobody attracted to fill the stands, sell overprice beer to or attract advertiser to sponsor watching on TV. I have seen owners on TV, but would you go and buy a ticket to see an owner?

No players?....every kid in America dreams of playing major league baseball...if they want millions per year they should cooperate during this crisis...or they will end up screwing themselves...just ask NHL players.....their league viewing and attendance hasn't been the same since their strike....

Sure...and I sing in the car
But nobody will fill a stadium to hear me sing.

Double A ball is just as fun to watch....imo

So is Karaoke Night at the local tavern....imo

 

[22lcidw]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

If not for the players there would be nobody attracted to fill the stands, sell overprice beer to or attract advertiser to sponsor watching on TV. I have seen owners on TV, but would you go and buy a ticket to see an owner?

No players?....every kid in America dreams of playing major league baseball...if they want millions per year they should cooperate during this crisis...or they will end up screwing themselves...just ask NHL players.....their league viewing and attendance hasn't been the same since their strike....

Sure...and I sing in the car
But nobody will fill a stadium to hear me sing.

Double A ball is just as fun to watch....imo

So is Karaoke Night at the local tavern....imo

As long as liquor is sold there seems to be an audience.

 

[Rambunctious]

Its not wise to break the guy that pays you your outrageous salary....

Not necessarily the best way to look at it. Players only get to play to make their money for so long. Teams can always be kept or sold clean into an owner's dying days and there is always a market. The agreement is the agreement. Who knew the owners were stupid enough to make a bad deal that paid the players for games played, when they could have forced them to take a less equitable arrangement, to where the owners could get a better more one sided, forced deal by welshing on agreements, using inherent monopoly power and basically forcing a lockout. Sounds like a good way to end up with a union to protect the players interests against monopoly power of the owners in what might be considered an unfair bargaining position, even when both sides actually need the other to make any money at all. Oh, I guess that is what has happened. Guess they will work it out, hopefully without too much further whining by the owners. Sounds like the players were willing to play for the agreement, agreed to.

Then the players should try and purchase teams.....or set themselves up in a business for when they retire...not everything has to be equal....if the players want to keep getting the ridiculous pay they are getting they should be careful not to break the owners bank....its just common sense......we all are taking financial hits right now why should the players be exempt?....

Sounds like they are taking a hit if not being paid for games not played. I was pretty much salary for all but 2 or 3 years near the beginning of my working career, been sent across the country for corporate to fill in when a plant that was union was striking, walking right through picket lines to do their work. Been supervisory/Mgt, seeing both sides and mostly able to do what I thought best. Have also called my branch manager to get sent back home and made it stick, when somebody at corporate or the troubled branch was actually trying to screw their workers and using people like me to enable. You really never know (what's the skinny) in some situations until you are on the inside.

Sorry if I fail to pity them.....

Me to. Maybe the owners will survive somehow even if they have to sell a personal jet plane.

If not for the owners there wouldn't be players to even watch....I would be happy to go back to the days where players need to take off season work...then maybe we could afford to go to a game....millionaire tears do not push my buttons.....

If not for the players there would be nobody attracted to fill the stands, sell overprice beer to or attract advertiser to sponsor watching on TV. I have seen owners on TV, but would you go and buy a ticket to see an owner?

No players?....every kid in America dreams of playing major league baseball...if they want millions per year they should cooperate during this crisis...or they will end up screwing themselves...just ask NHL players.....their league viewing and attendance hasn't been the same since their strike....

Sure...and I sing in the car
But nobody will fill a stadium to hear me sing.

Double A ball is just as fun to watch....imo

So is Karaoke Night at the local tavern....imo

Not my local tavern....how many times can you listen to girls just want to have fun?....

 

[Rocko]

The owners , without exception, always win these battles

 

[LA RAM FAN]

We have a chance to break the outrageous salaries and costs to experience sports. With cable TV reforms this will go a long way to making things more affordable to people as they once were.

Sure hope so

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The owners , without exception, always win these battles

Yeah the rich and powerful, always get their way,wish there was a world with no money,lots less fewer wars would happen that’s for sure

 

[WillPower]

Alright...this is NUTS. The players counter-offer is 114 games with the Owners supposedly losing almost $700K a game according to them with no fans. I believe there will be fans in late summer so the players might be counting on that and not giving away their salaries only to see the owners making money hand over fist with stands full of beer/hotdog swilling customers. BUT 114 games? Regular season going to Halloween? That's football time...who the hell will care about baseball in November?
The players stepped on their dicks with this proposal and the owners are rightfully never going for it. So they'll bicker and settle somewhere between that number and 82 games with expanded playoffs. If the owners agree to the current salary demands some small market teams could teeter on the edge of bankruptcy. This has to be settled by the 10th....draft day (Tigers better pick Torkelson or I'll boycott them for at least the 2021 season) to start the season by Independence Day. Otherwise the owners might just say...ya know what? NO 2020 SEASON.