anyone can throw ad hominems around...
Im sure the phrase "savage injun" appealed to those who were not at all interested in understanding why American Natives were busy scalping white people while being continually marginalized by manifest destiny too. Why consider the perspective of others when a FINAL SOLUTION is easier on the ego, eh?
the person who seems to be purposfully keeping his mind narrow enough to rationalize prattling off the modern verson of "savage injun".
Would you care to discuss the topic of the thread or will demonizing the other team suffice?
"When a white army battles Indians and wins, it is called a great victory, but if they lose it is called a massacre." - Chiksika, Shawnee
"When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home." - Chief Aupumut (1725), Mohican.
Whenever the white man treats the Indian as they treat each other, then we will have no more wars. We shall all be alike--brothers of one father and one another, with one sky above us and one country around us, and one governmnet for all. - Chief Joseph, Nez Perce
"I am a red man. If the Great Spirit had desired me to be a white man he would have made me so in the first place. He put in your heart certain wishes and plans, in my heart he put other and different desires. Each man is good in his sight. It is not necessary for Eagles to be Crows. We are poor..but we are free. No white man controls our footsteps. If we must die...we die defending our rights." - Sitting Bull, Hunkpapa Sioux
anyone can throw ad hominems around...
Im sure the phrase "savage injun" appealed to those who were not at all interested in understanding why American Natives were busy scalping white people while being continually marginalized by manifest destiny too. Why consider the perspective of others when a FINAL SOLUTION is easier on the ego, eh?
Are you seriously likening the Hezbollah to Native Ameican Indians?
You did watch the video didn't you?
I believe you are being deliberately obtuse, trying to court controversy for your own entertainment.If I am wrong then there are other excuses for you which I may or may not delve into later.
No problem-o.
Let's do a comparison: Secular society that is mostly tolerant of any and everything not too far out, where one can achieve as far as amibtion will
take then
vs
Authoritarian theocracy determined to return the world to 7th century Sharia Law whether or not it wants to, and intolerant of anyone who disagrees, and anything contrary to it, and is willing to murder anything in its way to achieve it's end.
Tough choice.
As far as you "savage injun" analogy goes, let's don't try and paint Native Americans as above reproach when in fact, they were not. Attrocities were committed on both sides. The "white man" is only villified because the red man lost, and a century and a half later everyone wants to forget what a Comantse warrior sitting on top of a horse in full war regalia with fresh scalps hanging from his lance looks like in favor of Chief Iron Eyes Cody.
Are you suggesting that Native Americans during the American conflict with the lands natives were NOT as hellbent on keeping their culture and land enough to act just as fanatical about what they see as defending their lifestyle?
Yes, to answer your question, I am comparing the two because I dont believe that violent social reactions are unique to any particular ethnic group at any particular moment in history any more than any other ethnic group has a predisposition to eating watermelon and chicken and working the cotton field.
Yes, I did watch the video.. and Im willing to bet money, marbles and chalk that the gathering around the bonfire the night before wounded knee looked much the same...
After all.. IVE quoted actual historic words uttered from the mouthsof those who might very well have understood how the pals might feel about nations blooming in the backyard..
Would you care to offer more than a plastic exasperation?
"I would like to champion"?
obviously you are interested in scoring points. I guess it is easy to SAY that one of your pet topics is the Native American wars rather than prove as much with an arguement void of a little passive-aggresiveness.... After all, again, IM the only one of us to actually resort to an historic example so far... Instead of trying to prompt a reaction why don't YOU explain YOUR opinion?
Humor me and present an arguement suggesting otherwise instead of trying to sneak in lame jabs at my motivations and perhaps your input will be interesting enough to reply to.
Im sorry, Gunny.. the complete social genocide of nations of natives so that we may now have Oklahoma and Nebraska isn't really the first thing I like to brag about in American history. You may reserve your opinion about their society when viewed through the lens of ethnocentrism, which im sure they do too when forming opinions about OUR culture, but to me your arguement is about as significant as rationalizing the conquering of natives so that they can have shoes and christianity. I would suggest that it would be quite difficult to convince an amish woman that her time would be better served in a thong on the beach while she is content in her choice of a lifestyle. YES.. attrocities were committed on both sides.. but that in no way shape or form removed the FACT that the entire conflict in American history with the lands natives is derived from land encroachment and a percieved (ultimatly true) threat to native culture. Trail of Tears, sir. They reacted just like the Pals have been reacting. I would rather consider the reality of the conflict and brainstorm strategy that doesnt lead to another rationalized genocide. I believe that there can be more options than simply killing em all...
after all...
I garentee that WE would be quicker to find an amicable solution if we were in the role of the natives and pals rather than the shoes of conquistadors and colonialists.....
I don't need to present proof of the fact that your analogy is bullshit, it speaks for itself and stands as testament.If you wish to talk about 'The Native American Wars' then by all means do, I believe you would have to start another thread or suffer accusations of derailment
If I were to take your scenic route, I could start with ancient Britain and list every invading army through the ages quoting historical figures as I go, then I could list all the nations Britain conquered and put up even more quotes......etc.......
I don't need to present proof of the fact that your analogy is bullshit, it speaks for itself and stands as testament.If you wish to talk about 'The Native American Wars' then by all means do, I believe you would have to start another thread or suffer accusations of derailment
If I were to take your scenic route, I could start with ancient Britain and list every invading army through the ages quoting historical figures as I go, then I could list all the nations Britain conquered and put up even more quotes......etc.......
History does not happen in a vacuum, but alas, I see that you are not interested in presenting anything close to a relevant arguement so much as you are looking for a target to spit at...
so be it.
perhaps you and Red States Rule can get together and give each other a back rub or something. He will probably actually be impressed with your, uh, giant knowledge of American Native history more than I am...
History does not happen in a vacuum... Perhaps someone else will
Excuse me, Brit, but you don't want to go there. You're probably a direct descendent of William Longshanks and just general all around nefarious collaborator with Clan Campbell.
