Im going to take a contreversial stand.

[actsnoblemartin]

I believe europe should stop allowing muslims into their countries. I believe islam is a threat, and since we have such a hard time sorting the good muslims from the bad, and I doubt europeans will monitor every mosque to weed out the bad ones, I am left with only one conclusion.. No more muslim imigration to europe.

Second, I believe all muslims in europe should be deported since we cant tell the good ones from the bad ones, and many of them are not intergrating into the society and culture of the country of their in, if they cannot be good europeans first, instead of muslims first, then no good can come of them, and from then in europe.

While american muslims are better integrated, some of them are engulfed in jihadists views, and since we cant tell the good from the bad, and wont monitor every mosque, and deport jihadists and those who share those views.

I am left with no choice then to say that all muslims in europe and america should be deported to their home country.

If i have to sacrifice my reputation, to be honest and speak what i believe is common sense and truth... then so be it. Its better to be hated for who you are, then liked for who your not.


And ironically, if you look at all the muslim countries, the vast majority are under 5% non muslim, and they persecute non muslims, and treat them and their own muslim women as second class citizens, but that wont get talked about on the p.c. media

Just, A contreversial idea is condemned because some of you dont agree.

 

[Stephanie]

I'm afraid it's too late for Europe...And we are heading there....FAST..

 

[Doug]

Martin: If you were to visit me where I live in a small village in England, I would introduce you to some friends of mine, a Muslim couple in their sixties. She is a very gifted artist and designer, and very cultured -- she speaks several languages for example. If I could speak Farsi, she could advance my aesthetic education in the area of Persian poetry, but sadly, I don't. She is also an advisor to the local police, and her attitude to discontented Muslims is: if you don't like it here, leave! Her husband ran his own successful software business until he retired. Now he is doing an Open University degree in science -- when Mars came close a few years ago we all gathered in the back garden of their lovely home to look at the polar caps through his reflector telescope. He has helped me get a wee bit of understanding of General Relativity. He is also, by choice of his fellow villagers, the "village squire". (An English thing, never mind.) He serves as a governor of his local school. They are both cultured, sophisticated people. A tremendous human asset for us.

Not too far from me live some other people. I don't know them, except by reputation. They are pure white. They live on welfare, despite being completely fit, and burgle our houses and smash the windscreens of our cars. One of them attacked the son of a friend of mine. Complete human garbage, well-supported, of course, by the British welfare state.

And you want me to deport the first couple, while retaining the second group?

 

[actsnoblemartin]

I dont believe you can take one subjective example which fits your point of view, and say that makes you right.

The problem is, mosques in europe and america are not monitored to weed out the good from the bad, and europe had unfettered imigration the last thirty years, so they have no idea who the terrorists are, the potential terrorists are, and who the good muslims are. Also not enough muslims speak out against the jihadists.

Also, many terrorists have not been poor but well off financially, and very smart, see the doctors involved in hamas and the terrorist attacks in britain, as well as the fact the koran says to lie to the infidel. So you cant really know what is in their heart. Sadly, I dont think anyone can trust muslims, because we have no way to know who is being genuine and who is lying.

And finally, If you wanna talk about bad white people, then please make a thread about bad white people. I dont think you can say muslims good , because whites bad, its a different topic then what i intended.

I hope you can see I make this thread with great trepidation. Im not happy to make it, but every member of this board must be free to be honest and make contreversial threads without fear of retribution, i.e. name calling, personal attacks, and unfair neg reps given to them.

Martin: If you were to visit me where I live in a small village in England, I would introduce you to some friends of mine, a Muslim couple in their sixties. She is a very gifted artist and designer, and very cultured -- she speaks several languages for example. If I could speak Farsi, she could advance my aesthetic education in the area of Persian poetry, but sadly, I don't. She is also an advisor to the local police, and her attitude to discontented Muslims is: if you don't like it here, leave! Her husband ran his own successful software business until he retired. Now he is doing an Open University degree in science -- when Mars came close a few years ago we all gathered in the back garden of their lovely home to look at the polar caps through his reflector telescope. He has helped me get a wee bit of understanding of General Relativity. He is also, by choice of his fellow villagers, the "village squire". (An English thing, never mind.) He serves as a governor of his local school. They are both cultured, sophisticated people. A tremendous human asset for us.

Not too far from me live some other people. I don't know them, except by reputation. They are pure white. They live on welfare, despite being completely fit, and burgle our houses and smash the windscreens of our cars. One of them attacked the son of a friend of mine. Complete human garbage, well-supported, of course, by the British welfare state.

And you want me to deport the first couple, while retaining the second group?

 

[eots]

how about we ban whitey from living anywhere other than Europe

 

[actsnoblemartin]

Well if you look at the populations of many if not all muslim countries, china, and many asian and south american countries, I bet few whiteys are there lol.

how about we ban whitey from living anywhere other than Europe

 

[Doug]

How about a compromise: break the law, and off you go to socialist Zimbabwe, minus your citizenship.

 

[eots]

a voice of moderation and reason....and it just might work

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I'm afraid it's too late for Europe...And we are heading there....FAST..

No we are not. Our Muslim population is what? 3 percent? WE are in danger of becoming over run by illegal aliens though. As much as 20 percent of Mexico's entire population is in the US illegally.

 

[CorpMediaSux]

To the most UNOBLE Martin:

And finally, If you wanna talk about bad white people, then please make a thread about bad white people. I dont think you can say muslims good , because whites bad, its a different topic then what i intended.

Oh so the open forum is only allowed when posters, through logical reasoning, don't expose your blatant hypocrasy and ridiculous hyperbole? Your "trepidation" at starting to thread seems to clearly result from your desire to imagine yourself a rational and fair person, when you are neither.

Your notion is ludicrous, unfeaseable, incredibly racist and would only rapidly increase the amount of terrorism on European soil.

Let's get one thing out in the open. Religion is the shroud; resources, strategy and territory is the goal. No matter what kind of military campaign you are engaging in be it the bombing of a bus in Tel Aviv, the bombing of an Iraqi city by the U.S., or the Japanese invasion of China in World War II. Ideology be it religion, democracy or Japanese superiority is what people in power use to sell their strategic goals to their public, but these ideologies and the people who believe in them do not necessarily all love war or even support war.

The push to democratize Iraq is a key reason for our presence in Iraq, should all people who love Democracy be forcefully removed from their countries because they might gather their resources. Your suggestion that any non-Muslim examples are irrelevant is incredibly racist as it suggests that, somehow, Muslims are fundamentally different from other human groups and cultures, that they behave in fundamentally different ways. When of course the exact OPPOSITE is the case. The number of muslims committing terrorist acts compared to the number of Muslims practicing in the world is miniscule.

I will admit that, right now, there within terrorist circles, Muslims represent a majority. But this is not always been the case, terrorism was not invented by Muslims, but considering your opinions I doubt you do things like "read books" or "study history" or "engage in critical thinking." Human beings have used terrorist tactics to acheive strategic goals throughout the Post Enlightenment world and almost never has a society said "well lets just get rid of all of them." When nations DO say things like that, they are normally Nazist regimes engaged in a language of ethnic cleansing. When it comes to the kind of guerilla, terrorist techniques being employed by Muslims today it is difficult to draw distinctions between them and the KKK in America after the Civil War or even our founding fathers in the Revolutionary War who were understood to be terrorists by those in power. I'm not saying that there's a moral equivalency there, merely that there probably is SOME reason for the increase in Muslim terrorism. Why not use your intellectual energy trying to figure that out, instead of coming up with hair brained Nazist schemes to expunge a religious group from a CONTINENT.

Yes I name dropped Hitler, your narrative and his are shockingly in line. In case your ignorance prevented you from knowing this, Hitler was this bad guy around the middle of the century who felt that the Jews in Europe represented an ethnic impurity that had to be deported or expunged, minus the killing you and he sort of feel the same way, just replace Jew with Muslim. Sort it OUT man, get yourself together, Jeez.

 

[doniston]

To the most UNOBLE Martin:



Oh so the open forum is only allowed when posters, through logical reasoning, don't expose your blatant hypocrasy and ridiculous hyperbole? Your "trepidation" at starting to thread seems to clearly result from your desire to imagine yourself a rational and fair person, when you are neither.

Your notion is ludicrous, unfeaseable, incredibly racist and would only rapidly increase the amount of terrorism on European soil.

Let's get one thing out in the open. Religion is the shroud; resources, strategy and territory is the goal. No matter what kind of military campaign you are engaging in be it the bombing of a bus in Tel Aviv, the bombing of an Iraqi city by the U.S., or the Japanese invasion of China in World War II. Ideology be it religion, democracy or Japanese superiority is what people in power use to sell their strategic goals to their public, but these ideologies and the people who believe in them do not necessarily all love war or even support war.

The push to democratize Iraq is a key reason for our presence in Iraq, should all people who love Democracy be forcefully removed from their countries because they might gather their resources. Your suggestion that any non-Muslim examples are irrelevant is incredibly racist as it suggests that, somehow, Muslims are fundamentally different from other human groups and cultures, that they behave in fundamentally different ways. When of course the exact OPPOSITE is the case. The number of muslims committing terrorist acts compared to the number of Muslims practicing in the world is miniscule.

I will admit that, right now, there within terrorist circles, Muslims represent a majority. But this is not always been the case, terrorism was not invented by Muslims, but considering your opinions I doubt you do things like "read books" or "study history" or "engage in critical thinking." Human beings have used terrorist tactics to acheive strategic goals throughout the Post Enlightenment world and almost never has a society said "well lets just get rid of all of them." When nations DO say things like that, they are normally Nazist regimes engaged in a language of ethnic cleansing. When it comes to the kind of guerilla, terrorist techniques being employed by Muslims today it is difficult to draw distinctions between them and the KKK in America after the Civil War or even our founding fathers in the Revolutionary War who were understood to be terrorists by those in power. I'm not saying that there's a moral equivalency there, merely that there probably is SOME reason for the increase in Muslim terrorism. Why not use your intellectual energy trying to figure that out, instead of coming up with hair brained Nazist schemes to expunge a religious group from a CONTINENT.

Yes I name dropped Hitler, your narrative and his are shockingly in line. In case your ignorance prevented you from knowing this, Hitler was this bad guy around the middle of the century who felt that the Jews in Europe represented an ethnic impurity that had to be deported or expunged, minus the killing you and he sort of feel the same way, just replace Jew with Muslim. Sort it OUT man, get yourself together, Jeez.

I have to agree with you---in general.

 

[maineman]

martin...have you ever known a muslim, or met a muslim, or even SEEN a real live muslim up close and personal?

 

[dilloduck]

Why not use your intellectual energy trying to figure that out, instead of coming up with hair brained Nazist schemes to expunge a religious group from a CONTINENT.

.

Sorry- the intellectual energy in the country is seeking political power via character assassination, hyperbole and lies. We're just too busy.

 

[RightWingSpirit]

I believe europe should stop allowing muslims into their countries. I believe islam is a threat

I am left with no choice then to say that all muslims in europe and america should be deported to their home country.

And ironically, if you look at all the muslim countries, the vast majority are under 5% non muslim, and they persecute non muslims, and treat them and their own muslim women as second class citizens, but that wont get talked about on the p.c. media

I agree wholeheartedly. I would also suggest we shut down mosques. We need to defend our nation by ANY means necessary.

 

[RightWingSpirit]

martin...have you ever known a muslim, or met a muslim, or even SEEN a real live muslim up close and personal?

I have met 5 and they were anti-America. They tried to lecture me on the evils of this country and how their ways are superior.

 

[maineman]

I have met 5 and they were anti-America. They tried to lecture me on the evils of this country and how their ways are superior.

five?

it makes a great deal of sense to judge an entire religion based upon five people.

good job.

 

[RightWingSpirit]

five?

it makes a great deal of sense to judge an entire religion based upon five people.

good job.

how many have you met, lefty?
I know more about that group than you.

 

[maineman]

how many have you met, lefty?
I know more about that group than you.

really?
I lived in the middle east for two years...and in Beirut for one of them...

shall we compare notes?

 

[RightWingSpirit]

really?
I lived in the middle east for two years...and in Beirut for one of them...

shall we compare notes?

ooooh, well, want a cookie for your life experiences?
I lived in Iran for nearly 6 yrs. and the anti-American sentiment was loud and clear.

Yeah, bring your notes, I need something to wipe my ass with.

 

[maineman]

ooooh, well, want a cookie for your life experiences?
I lived in Iran for nearly 6 yrs. and the anti-American sentiment was loud and clear.

Yeah, bring your notes, I need something to wipe my ass with.

I don't need a cookie... and your experience with persian shiite muslims is really not all that indicative of the larger worldwide population of muslims, only 15% of which are shiites and even fewer persian.

and let me get this straight...you lived in Iran for six years and met five muslims?

LOL