If you oppose the Confederate flag you oppose the American flag too

[bripat9643]

Lincoln didn't invade Virginia to free the slaves, numskull. He said so himself. That means the war wasn't about slavery.

I never said Lincoln fought the war to free the slaves. He fought the war to save the United States from breaking apart.

The south fought the war to keep their slaves.

Wrong. They fought the war to defend their homes from Lincoln. Lincoln invaded the Confederate states, not the other way around.

Too bad for your hallucinations, history does not agree with your delusions. The south started the war when they attacked a federal fort.

I have proven over and over and over that Lincoln started the war. All you can do is stamp your foot and whine about it.

All you have proven is that you're mentally deranged enough that if you take a sentence and cut off the beginning and cut off the ending, you can tailor it to mean something other than what it actually means in toto.

And get this ... while you portray me as the one stamping my feet and whining about it, history recorded the events as I portrayed them -- the south started the was by attacking a federal fort.

You may not like history ... but ... who cares?

No nation in history ever started a war by attacking a building located within its borders.

That is history.

 

[Faun]

I never said Lincoln fought the war to free the slaves. He fought the war to save the United States from breaking apart.

The south fought the war to keep their slaves.

Wrong. They fought the war to defend their homes from Lincoln. Lincoln invaded the Confederate states, not the other way around.

Too bad for your hallucinations, history does not agree with your delusions. The south started the war when they attacked a federal fort.

I have proven over and over and over that Lincoln started the war. All you can do is stamp your foot and whine about it.

All you have proven is that you're mentally deranged enough that if you take a sentence and cut off the beginning and cut off the ending, you can tailor it to mean something other than what it actually means in toto.

And get this ... while you portray me as the one stamping my feet and whining about it, history recorded the events as I portrayed them -- the south started the was by attacking a federal fort.

You may not like history ... but ... who cares?

No nation in history ever started a war by attacking a building located within its borders.

That is history.

That building was a federal fort on federal land. It doesn't matter where it was geographically located.

The south started the war when they attacked a federal fort. This has been engraved in history. This has been taught in schools for a century and a half and will continue being taught for the remainder of this nation's existence.

Who cares if morons like you refuse to accept reality?

 

[Unkotare]

It's astounding that any of these nutcases maintain the idiocy of denying the confederacy was all about slavery in the face of each of the states outwardly admitting as much.

Lincoln didn't invade Virginia to free the slaves, numskull. He said so himself. That means the war wasn't about slavery.

I never said Lincoln fought the war to free the slaves. He fought the war to save the United States from breaking apart.

The south fought the war to keep their slaves.

Wrong. They fought the war to defend their homes from Lincoln. Lincoln invaded the Confederate states, not the other way around.

Too bad for your hallucinations, history does not agree with your delusions. The south started the war when they attacked a federal fort.

I have proven over and over and over that Lincoln started the war.

All you've "proven" is how badly you want to believe that fiction and what a dimwit you are.

 

[Umoja]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

The south lost the war 151 years ago. To the victor goes the spoils. There is nothing legitimate or sacred about the confederacy. It's time for the Sons of the Confederacy to move on.

 

[Idadunno]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

Dude, you need a history class. Seriously... they teach the truth in modern schools now not what you learned in that one room log cabin. They most certainly did not fight for their freedom. They fought because abolishing slavery meant the plantation owners would have to pay salaries. They fought for greed. Your fantasy is historically wrong.

 

[Idadunno]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

you're ability to paint a war started to guarantee slavery as something noble is sickening.

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

Lincoln did not believe slavery was moral, but he did not believe blacks and whites could live peacefully together either. There's more to the issue than black and white. It also had to do with the south not wanting to play nice with everyone. Even a few northern states did not want to comply with the Constitution. What you have then are 6 or so colonies all trying to be a country. Their behavior undermined the point of the Revolutionary War and gaining freedom from England. If the states started breaking away, chances are the colonies would have fallen under invasion by England or France... or maybe Spain. It would have been open season. United, they were a force to be reckoned with. Divided they were defeated.

 

[AntiParty]

It is viewing history in latter-day eyes to maintain that Perpetual Union did not apply, because the continuation represented by the Constitution was forgotten.

Many people did indeed view slavery as wrong in every sense. Great nations had already done away with it. Some states had always been without it.

The states that sought to secede did so because they foresaw the day that the entire country would become repulsed enough with the barbarity to formally reject it throughout the land. This legal resolution they could not abide, so they chose an illegal path that led to their ruin.

Show me any nation or state at the time who had substantial agricultural need for labor, who had taken the moral high ground and outlawed slavery. Dollars to donuts, you can't cite a single solitary example because one doesn't exit. Slavery had only been outlawed in places where no slaves were needed.

Now... for 85 years, your US government condoned slavery, upheld the institution, failed to outlaw it, ruled slaves to be legitimately owned property and allowed the Southern plantation owner to acquire over a billion dollars worth of slaves for the purpose of harvesting cotton, tobacco and sugar cane.. all of which the North benefited from greatly. What the Southern states could not abide was a two-faced Federal government who was poised to take their property without compensation... in direct violation of their own 4th Amendment and 85 years worth of case law.

^You really don't know what a straw man argument is do you?. I feel sad you repeated that.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

The south lost the war 151 years ago. To the victor goes the spoils. There is nothing legitimate or sacred about the confederacy. It's time for the Sons of the Confederacy to move on.

WELL SAID

 

[OKTexas]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

you're ability to paint a war started to guarantee slavery as something noble is sickening.

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

Lincoln did not believe slavery was moral, but he did not believe blacks and whites could live peacefully together either. There's more to the issue than black and white. It also had to do with the south not wanting to play nice with everyone. Even a few northern states did not want to comply with the Constitution. What you have then are 6 or so colonies all trying to be a country. Their behavior undermined the point of the Revolutionary War and gaining freedom from England. If the states started breaking away, chances are the colonies would have fallen under invasion by England or France... or maybe Spain. It would have been open season. United, they were a force to be reckoned with. Divided they were defeated.

Great opinion, there's no basis for it, but great opinion.

 

[Faun]

It is viewing history in latter-day eyes to maintain that Perpetual Union did not apply, because the continuation represented by the Constitution was forgotten.

Many people did indeed view slavery as wrong in every sense. Great nations had already done away with it. Some states had always been without it.

The states that sought to secede did so because they foresaw the day that the entire country would become repulsed enough with the barbarity to formally reject it throughout the land. This legal resolution they could not abide, so they chose an illegal path that led to their ruin.

Show me any nation or state at the time who had substantial agricultural need for labor, who had taken the moral high ground and outlawed slavery. Dollars to donuts, you can't cite a single solitary example because one doesn't exit. Slavery had only been outlawed in places where no slaves were needed.

Now... for 85 years, your US government condoned slavery, upheld the institution, failed to outlaw it, ruled slaves to be legitimately owned property and allowed the Southern plantation owner to acquire over a billion dollars worth of slaves for the purpose of harvesting cotton, tobacco and sugar cane.. all of which the North benefited from greatly. What the Southern states could not abide was a two-faced Federal government who was poised to take their property without compensation... in direct violation of their own 4th Amendment and 85 years worth of case law.

^You really don't know what a straw man argument is do you?. I feel sad you repeated that.

Not to mention, slaves didn't build them. She's an idiot.

 

[Wildman]

What slaves built the pyramids?

that is what the libertard historians say, i believe they were built by Capt.Kirks Crew in a fortnight.

 

[Faun]

What slaves built the pyramids?

that is what the libertard historians say, i believe they were built by Capt.Kirks Crew in a fortnight.

Cite claimed "libertard historians"...

 

[EatMorChikin]

I oppose the conf. Flag but not the u.s. flag so....

Thats weird for your theory.

That racist rebel flag, shameful!

Oh shameful how nasty that evil flag is, isn't it?

 

[G.T.]

I oppose the conf. Flag but not the u.s. flag so....

Thats weird for your theory.

That racist rebel flag, shameful!

Oh shameful how nasty that evil flag is, isn't it?

The flag with 50 stars and 13 stripes was not in existence during slavery. You fail.

 

[EatMorChikin]

I oppose the conf. Flag but not the u.s. flag so....

Thats weird for your theory.

That racist rebel flag, shameful!

Oh shameful how nasty that evil flag is, isn't it?

The flag with 50 stars and 13 stripes was not in existence during slavery. You fail.

You aren't very smart are you? It is the same flag it was in 1777. The only difference is it originally had only 13 stars, well duh! The current one is still the official one adopted in 1777, but with more stars obviously.

 

[G.T.]

I oppose the conf. Flag but not the u.s. flag so....

Thats weird for your theory.

That racist rebel flag, shameful!

Oh shameful how nasty that evil flag is, isn't it?

The flag with 50 stars and 13 stripes was not in existence during slavery. You fail.

You aren't very smart are you? It is the same flag it was in 1777. The only difference is it originally had only 13 stars, well duh! The current one is still the official one adopted in 1777.

No, the current one quite plainly has more stars genius.

 

[EatMorChikin]

I oppose the conf. Flag but not the u.s. flag so....

Thats weird for your theory.

That racist rebel flag, shameful!

Oh shameful how nasty that evil flag is, isn't it?

The flag with 50 stars and 13 stripes was not in existence during slavery. You fail.

You aren't very smart are you? It is the same flag it was in 1777. The only difference is it originally had only 13 stars, well duh! The current one is still the official one adopted in 1777.

No, the current one quite plainly has more stars genius.

Cover your ass, less you want whats left of your brain cells to escape.

 

[Faun]

I oppose the conf. Flag but not the u.s. flag so....

Thats weird for your theory.

That racist rebel flag, shameful!

Oh shameful how nasty that evil flag is, isn't it?

The flag with 50 stars and 13 stripes was not in existence during slavery. You fail.

Too funny.

 

[EatMorChikin]

I oppose the conf. Flag but not the u.s. flag so....

Thats weird for your theory.

That racist rebel flag, shameful!

Oh shameful how nasty that evil flag is, isn't it?

The flag with 50 stars and 13 stripes was not in existence during slavery. You fail.

Too funny.

Whats so funny? Our current flag was adopted in 1777, it has simply had edits as we gained territories / states. #LearnAmericanHistory

 

[The2ndAmendment]