If You Had The Ambition, Would You Be Willing -

[Billy_Kinetta]

If you had the ambition, would you be willing to join the police force WITHOUT qualified immunity, knowing that some slug with a smart-ass lawyer could send you and your family to the permanent poorhouse?

 

[miketx]

No way. It was bad enough being a corrections officer.

 

[martybegan]

If you had the ambition, would you be willing to join the police force WITHOUT qualified immunity, knowing that some slug with a smart-ass lawyer could send you and your family to the permanent poorhouse?

The problem with qualified immunity is that it was expanded far too broadly, and created some very idiotic situations where police were assumed to not know something they did was illegal or unconstitutional unless the exact same occurrence not only happened before, but was adjudicated and found to be wrong.

So, as an example, a cop roughing up someone photographing them arresting someone else couldn't be held liable until first another cop did the same thing, got called out for it, and then had a judge say "ok, that's wrong, but it wasn't wrong until RIGHT NOW, so you get a pass, but everyone else from this time on doesn't"

 

[MarathonMike]

Police recruitment would drop to near zero and a large percentage of Cops would resign. There has to be qualified immunity.

 

[toobfreak]

If you had the ambition, would you be willing to join the police force WITHOUT qualified immunity, knowing that some slug with a smart-ass lawyer could send you and your family to the permanent poorhouse?

Football players get 18 million a year to play 16 games because they could get hurt at any time and end their career. What idiot in their right mind would want to be a cop for $65,000, about 1/300th the amount, to work 365 days a year, hated by the public for nothing you did, reviled by the press, unsupported by your own agency, mayor and city, to go out night after night facing certain death knowing that if you mess a black person's hair up, they will sue you, you'll lose your job, get arrested and charged, and all the while, have to collect your own evidence to prove your own guilt, and all for following the very policies and training you were sworn to?

 

[martybegan]

Police recruitment would drop to near zero and a large percentage of Cops would resign. There has to be qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity is not needed. What is only needed is immunity when the police follow proper procedures.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Police recruitment would drop to near zero and a large percentage of Cops would resign. There has to be qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity is not needed. What is only needed is immunity when the police follow proper procedures.

Best of luck in recruitment goals.

 

[martybegan]

Police recruitment would drop to near zero and a large percentage of Cops would resign. There has to be qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity is not needed. What is only needed is immunity when the police follow proper procedures.

Best of luck in recruitment goals.

Qualified immunity is a recent invention, police forces existed before it was a concept. It stems from a 1967 court case.

 

[MarathonMike]

Police recruitment would drop to near zero and a large percentage of Cops would resign. There has to be qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity is not needed. What is only needed is immunity when the police follow proper procedures.

Then you would be opening Pandora's box because every confrontation ending badly will be a potential life destroying court case for officers. Each situation is dynamic and as we saw with Mr. Brooks everything can change in a split second.

 

[martybegan]

Police recruitment would drop to near zero and a large percentage of Cops would resign. There has to be qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity is not needed. What is only needed is immunity when the police follow proper procedures.

Then you would be opening Pandora's box because every confrontation ending badly will be a potential life destroying court case for officers. Each situation is dynamic and as we saw with Mr. Brooks everything can change in a split second.

It would not as long as police followed their procedures. Current concepts Qualified immunity says cops can't know right from wrong unless they know about a previous court case that EXACTLY matches the situation they were in.

Qualified immunity is also used to get the police departments out of hot water, even if that wasn't what it was intended to do.

 

[night_son]

If you had the ambition, would you be willing to join the police force WITHOUT qualified immunity, knowing that some slug with a smart-ass lawyer could send you and your family to the permanent poorhouse?

I want to say yes, I'd join a police force—a local one for sure—if it meant keeping my family and area safer after mass exodus by currently serving officers. Then again, on the other hand, perhaps it'd be saner to form some kind of community guerilla force to counter mob violence. Without qualified immunity? Probably not. But I bet there's a ton of people out there who would step right up.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Police recruitment would drop to near zero and a large percentage of Cops would resign. There has to be qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity is not needed. What is only needed is immunity when the police follow proper procedures.

Best of luck in recruitment goals.

Qualified immunity is a recent invention, police forces existed before it was a concept. It stems from a 1967 court case.

Irrelevant. No one in this particularly litigious time will become a cop without reasonable immunity.

It's likely that is the intent.

 

[Disir]

No.

 

[martybegan]

Police recruitment would drop to near zero and a large percentage of Cops would resign. There has to be qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity is not needed. What is only needed is immunity when the police follow proper procedures.

Best of luck in recruitment goals.

Qualified immunity is a recent invention, police forces existed before it was a concept. It stems from a 1967 court case.

Irrelevant. No one in this particularly litigious time will become a cop without reasonable immunity.

It's likely that is the intent.

Issues with qualified immunity are had by law and order types of a libertarian (small l) bent, and I am not talking about removing all immunity, just the current concept of qualified immunity.

The issue is the assumption that a specific court case has to be decided before a cop can be considered wrong in a specific instance is ludicrous.

If there is a law saying people can record the police as public servants, and a cop arrests someone doing just that, they should be held liable, not given a pass just because they were the first one to do so in a specific manner because it hadn't been adjudicated yet.