I may have gotten the impeachment thing all wrong

[Slade3200]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

I agree, but that’s not at all what I’m talking about

It appears that what you are saying is that although the Dems completely disregarded the concepts of fairness, due process, representation, and the right to confront one's accuser in the House Farce, it's somehow reprehensible that McConnell wants to use basically the same rules as used for the Clinton impeachment and to not have the House takeover the Senate.

The house was doing an investigation... it’s a different process than the senate trail... and the grade school excuse, “they did it so we can do it” doesn’t carry much weight with me

wouldnt that make you a hypocrite???

How so?

 

[beautress]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

Maybe you need a better understanding of what's going on.
What's happening right now is that the demodumbasses are attempting to change the rules by getting more witness testimony to hopefully bolster their ridiculous case. However, McConnell is holding their feet to the fire forcing them to present their case before any more witness testimony is heard.
The issue is they had no real reason to be there in the first place presenting a case of impeachment when they have never really had one.
In short, he's calling their bluff and telling them to lay their cards on the table but they want to keep bluffing because they damn well know when the hand is done, that they are done. Again!

Exactly. Dems starting planning impeachment in November of 2016. Hard to believe they didn't have enough witnesses when this thing was in the House.

Show me any other trial in the land where the prosecution doesn't have to first present their case to the court before the trial gets under way. Their only problem is they don't have a case to present and they damn well know it. Ts important to remember that Schumer is not denying witness testimony, he's only tabling that until after the trial gets under way as it should. But first they have to state their case to justify being there in t,he first place, just like any other trial is conducted.

 

[Slade3200]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

I agree, but that’s not at all what I’m talking about

It appears that what you are saying is that although the Dems completely disregarded the concepts of fairness, due process, representation, and the right to confront one's accuser in the House Farce, it's somehow reprehensible that McConnell wants to use basically the same rules as used for the Clinton impeachment and to not have the House takeover the Senate.

The house was doing an investigation... it’s a different process than the senate trail... and the grade school excuse, “they did it so we can do it” doesn’t carry much weight with me

Please taker a refresher in Civics. The House had its opportunity to do an investigation. They decided to forgo issuing subpeonas for witnesses, and instead created a fake crime of "Obstruction of Congress". They voted on their cooked up fake impeachment charges. And now, it is the Senate's role to hold a hearing. The House gets to present its case; it is not the role of the Senate to do a new investigation for them.

Get a grip.

they didn’t forgo subpoenas. They issued them and they were either ignored or they were sued... so the Dems went with what they go and are now pursuing the docs and witnesses in the senate trial

 

[progressive hunter]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

I agree, but that’s not at all what I’m talking about

It appears that what you are saying is that although the Dems completely disregarded the concepts of fairness, due process, representation, and the right to confront one's accuser in the House Farce, it's somehow reprehensible that McConnell wants to use basically the same rules as used for the Clinton impeachment and to not have the House takeover the Senate.

The house was doing an investigation... it’s a different process than the senate trail... and the grade school excuse, “they did it so we can do it” doesn’t carry much weight with me

wouldnt that make you a hypocrite???

How so?

by ignoring one groups actions and attacking another group for doing the same thing

 

[boedicca]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

I agree, but that’s not at all what I’m talking about

It appears that what you are saying is that although the Dems completely disregarded the concepts of fairness, due process, representation, and the right to confront one's accuser in the House Farce, it's somehow reprehensible that McConnell wants to use basically the same rules as used for the Clinton impeachment and to not have the House takeover the Senate.

The house was doing an investigation... it’s a different process than the senate trail... and the grade school excuse, “they did it so we can do it” doesn’t carry much weight with me

Please taker a refresher in Civics. The House had its opportunity to do an investigation. They decided to forgo issuing subpeonas for witnesses, and instead created a fake crime of "Obstruction of Congress". They voted on their cooked up fake impeachment charges. And now, it is the Senate's role to hold a hearing. The House gets to present its case; it is not the role of the Senate to do a new investigation for them.

Get a grip.

they didn’t forgo subpoenas. They issued them and they were either ignored or they were sued... so the Dems went with what they go and are now pursuing the docs and witnesses in the senate trial

No, they didn't. For the subpeonas to be valid, the entire House had to formally vote to approve the impeachment inquiry. They didn't.

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

they have their case with their articles. They were blocked from getting supporting evidence in the house. I think it completely reasonable for the senate to allow the subpoena of documents and witnesses. Also very reasonable to let a Republican appointed Supreme Court justice determine whether witnesses are material or not. The fact that the Reps blocked that completely shows their cards.

It shows they learned from the Democrats "we control the venue, we control the rules"

There is zero gain for Republicans to play nice when Democrats wouldn't do it in the house.

That's why for the past few decades they have been constantly outmaneuvered by the left.

I don’t really care about tits for tats or political gain. I’m just looking for honesty and transparency. I’m not seeing it

but yet you only complain about one sides actions and not the other,,,

Theres a lot I have and can complain about with what the Dems have done... that’s just not the topic of this thread. Start a new thread about something the Dems did and I’ll take a critical position on them if you’d like

 

[easyt65]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

I hope by now you have changed your mind, if only based on the fact that House Impeachment Managers arrived in the US Senate - after weeks of Speaker Pelosi holding it up - only to tell the US Senate it CAN NOT / WILL NOT present the EXISTING case / information on which they based / justified their vote to Impeach the President.

The Democrats voted to Impeach the President based on a set of existing information - not on other currently non-existent things that 'MIGHT be out there'. They claim there is much more 'out there'...but they did not - hopefully - vote to Impeach the President of the United States based on the belief that there is 'more out there' they did not find / did not have.

The US Senate is asking the House Impeachment Managers to SHOW US WHAT YOU BASED YOUR VOTE TO IMPEACH ON...

The EXISTING case / information that was the basis of their vote to Impeach the President either warrants Impeachment or it does NOT. They claim that it did / does.....THEN SHOW THAT INFORMATION!

The fact that the House Democrats are unable / unwilling to do that is enough to dismiss their Articles of impeachment because it shows they do not have anything substantial to present that proves their case / justifies their Impeachment of the united States.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

Maybe you need a better understanding of what's going on.
What's happening right now is that the demodumbasses are attempting to change the rules by getting more witness testimony to hopefully bolster their ridiculous case. However, McConnell is holding their feet to the fire forcing them to present their case before any more witness testimony is heard.
The issue is they had no real reason to be there in the first place presenting a case of impeachment when they have never really had one.
In short, he's calling their bluff and telling them to lay their cards on the table but they want to keep bluffing because they damn well know when the hand is done, that they are done. Again!

i don’t think Trump should be impeached but if you really think the accusations against him are a hoax or that there was no wrong doing then you aren’t seeing clearly. What Trump did was wrong, he deserves to be called out for it. The lies being told to cover it up are pathetic and embarrassing for both Trump and the Republicans. We all know what went down. It’s fine to say that you don’t think it’s impeachable... but denying it altogether just feeds the dishonest hyperbole being spewed onto the American people

You are not thinking clearly. No evidence has been presented in support of the accusation that he initiated the investigation of Biden to serve his own political interests. If he did it for other reasons, it was not an abuse of power. In any case, since everyone always knew this would not result in a conviction, the whole thing was nothing but a political stunt from the start.

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

they have their case with their articles. They were blocked from getting supporting evidence in the house. I think it completely reasonable for the senate to allow the subpoena of documents and witnesses. Also very reasonable to let a Republican appointed Supreme Court justice determine whether witnesses are material or not. The fact that the Reps blocked that completely shows their cards.

It shows they learned from the Democrats "we control the venue, we control the rules"

There is zero gain for Republicans to play nice when Democrats wouldn't do it in the house.

That's why for the past few decades they have been constantly outmaneuvered by the left.

I don’t really care about tits for tats or political gain. I’m just looking for honesty and transparency. I’m not seeing it

Were you looking for the same from the Democrats during the actual impeachment process, and not the trial?

Sorry but tiky tak stuff started in the House has to be continued in the Senate, or the Republicans might as well all just resign.

That’s a childish way to look at it. It expect our leaders to strive to be better... not degrade their discourse down to playground level because somebody else does it too

 

[progressive hunter]

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

they have their case with their articles. They were blocked from getting supporting evidence in the house. I think it completely reasonable for the senate to allow the subpoena of documents and witnesses. Also very reasonable to let a Republican appointed Supreme Court justice determine whether witnesses are material or not. The fact that the Reps blocked that completely shows their cards.

It shows they learned from the Democrats "we control the venue, we control the rules"

There is zero gain for Republicans to play nice when Democrats wouldn't do it in the house.

That's why for the past few decades they have been constantly outmaneuvered by the left.

I don’t really care about tits for tats or political gain. I’m just looking for honesty and transparency. I’m not seeing it

but yet you only complain about one sides actions and not the other,,,

Theres a lot I have and can complain about with what the Dems have done... that’s just not the topic of this thread. Start a new thread about something the Dems did and I’ll take a critical position on them if you’d like

so I prove your hypocrisy and you bitch and tell me to go away,,,

NO!!!

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

Maybe you need a better understanding of what's going on.
What's happening right now is that the demodumbasses are attempting to change the rules by getting more witness testimony to hopefully bolster their ridiculous case. However, McConnell is holding their feet to the fire forcing them to present their case before any more witness testimony is heard.
The issue is they had no real reason to be there in the first place presenting a case of impeachment when they have never really had one.
In short, he's calling their bluff and telling them to lay their cards on the table but they want to keep bluffing because they damn well know when the hand is done, that they are done. Again!

i don’t think Trump should be impeached but if you really think the accusations against him are a hoax or that there was no wrong doing then you aren’t seeing clearly. What Trump did was wrong, he deserves to be called out for it. The lies being told to cover it up are pathetic and embarrassing for both Trump and the Republicans. We all know what went down. It’s fine to say that you don’t think it’s impeachable... but denying it altogether just feeds the dishonest hyperbole being spewed onto the American people

its the job of POTUS to seek out corruption where ever it hides its ugly head,and as for biden the mountain of evidence leaves trump no choice

Good, then own that argument. Admit that everything the Dems are accusing Trump of actually happened bit it was him doing his job and not impeachable offenses

 

[beautress]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

I agree, but that’s not at all what I’m talking about

It appears that what you are saying is that although the Dems completely disregarded the concepts of fairness, due process, representation, and the right to confront one's accuser in the House Farce, it's somehow reprehensible that McConnell wants to use basically the same rules as used for the Clinton impeachment and to not have the House takeover the Senate.

The house was doing an investigation... it’s a different process than the senate trail... and the grade school excuse, “they did it so we can do it” doesn’t carry much weight with me

Please taker a refresher in Civics. The House had its opportunity to do an investigation. They decided to forgo issuing subpeonas for witnesses, and instead created a fake crime of "Obstruction of Congress". They voted on their cooked up fake impeachment charges. And now, it is the Senate's role to hold a hearing. The House gets to present its case; it is not the role of the Senate to do a new investigation for them.

Get a grip.

they didn’t forgo subpoenas. They issued them and they were either ignored or they were sued... so the Dems went with what they go and are now pursuing the docs and witnesses in the senate trial

You don't find it the eensey weensiest suspicious that all the Democrats have now are new charges, not the ones they used for the past three years that they know won't take over 10 seconds to refute by the facts, and their time-wasting effort to delay public opinion until just the right frickin' minute to powder their base with explosives goes as planned?

The entire 80% of Americans voters who heard and were angered by the Democrats' schemas complete with malapprotiation of the Impeachment clause used as a political tool and not for justice, but for the quid pro quo of hoped-for more votes. They say only Pelosi is the sole Democrat to know that the impeachment farce was a serious error against the people's Constitution of the United States of America.

And a few Republicans got on board, namely Utah's Mitts Romney.

 

[Nostra]

criticizing Trump or any president doesnt mean i hate him or stopped supporting him

it means i am holding him accountable

that's what Schiff and the Dems are doing, my friends

Grow up, this was never anything but a political stunt. It takes a 2/3 majority to convict, that means 20 Republicans would have to vote with the Democrats against a Republican president months before an election. No one with a functioning brain could ever have imagined this was anything but a political stunt.

Siete sez it only takes 51 Senators to remove a President.

 

[progressive hunter]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

Maybe you need a better understanding of what's going on.
What's happening right now is that the demodumbasses are attempting to change the rules by getting more witness testimony to hopefully bolster their ridiculous case. However, McConnell is holding their feet to the fire forcing them to present their case before any more witness testimony is heard.
The issue is they had no real reason to be there in the first place presenting a case of impeachment when they have never really had one.
In short, he's calling their bluff and telling them to lay their cards on the table but they want to keep bluffing because they damn well know when the hand is done, that they are done. Again!

i don’t think Trump should be impeached but if you really think the accusations against him are a hoax or that there was no wrong doing then you aren’t seeing clearly. What Trump did was wrong, he deserves to be called out for it. The lies being told to cover it up are pathetic and embarrassing for both Trump and the Republicans. We all know what went down. It’s fine to say that you don’t think it’s impeachable... but denying it altogether just feeds the dishonest hyperbole being spewed onto the American people

its the job of POTUS to seek out corruption where ever it hides its ugly head,and as for biden the mountain of evidence leaves trump no choice

Good, then own that argument. Admit that everything the Dems are accusing Trump of actually happened bit it was him doing his job and not impeachable offenses

what????

 

[Dick Foster]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

I agree, but that’s not at all what I’m talking about

It appears that what you are saying is that although the Dems completely disregarded the concepts of fairness, due process, representation, and the right to confront one's accuser in the House Farce, it's somehow reprehensible that McConnell wants to use basically the same rules as used for the Clinton impeachment and to not have the House takeover the Senate.

The house was doing an investigation... it’s a different process than the senate trail... and the grade school excuse, “they did it so we can do it” doesn’t carry much weight with me

Please taker a refresher in Civics. The House had its opportunity to do an investigation. They decided to forgo issuing subpeonas for witnesses, and instead created a fake crime of "Obstruction of Congress". They voted on their cooked up fake impeachment charges. And now, it is the Senate's role to hold a hearing. The House gets to present its case; it is not the role of the Senate to do a new investigation for them.

Get a grip.

they didn’t forgo subpoenas. They issued them and they were either ignored or they were sued... so the Dems went with what they go and are now pursuing the docs and witnesses in the senate trial

Listen stupid don't let the assholes pull a snow job on you. They presented sopenas on shakey constitutional grounds having specifically to do with separation of powers, but were unwilling appeal to the judiciary to get that sorted out as they should have and has been done before.
These clowns are famous for pissing on your leg and telling you it's raining but that only works by democrats for democrats. The rest of us are too smart for that to work.

 

[Nostra]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

I agree, but that’s not at all what I’m talking about

It appears that what you are saying is that although the Dems completely disregarded the concepts of fairness, due process, representation, and the right to confront one's accuser in the House Farce, it's somehow reprehensible that McConnell wants to use basically the same rules as used for the Clinton impeachment and to not have the House takeover the Senate.

The house was doing an investigation... it’s a different process than the senate trail... and the grade school excuse, “they did it so we can do it” doesn’t carry much weight with me

Please taker a refresher in Civics. The House had its opportunity to do an investigation. They decided to forgo issuing subpeonas for witnesses, and instead created a fake crime of "Obstruction of Congress". They voted on their cooked up fake impeachment charges. And now, it is the Senate's role to hold a hearing. The House gets to present its case; it is not the role of the Senate to do a new investigation for them.

Get a grip.

they didn’t forgo subpoenas. They issued them and they were either ignored or they were sued... so the Dems went with what they go and are now pursuing the docs and witnesses in the senate trial

The Senate is the wrong venue for that. If they wanted to pursue the subpoenas they should have gone to the Courts.

 

[toomuchtime_]

criticizing Trump or any president doesnt mean i hate him or stopped supporting him

it means i am holding him accountable

that's what Schiff and the Dems are doing, my friends

Grow up, this was never anything but a political stunt. It takes a 2/3 majority to convict, that means 20 Republicans would have to vote with the Democrats against a Republican president months before an election. No one with a functioning brain could ever have imagined this was anything but a political stunt.

Siete sez it only takes 51 Senators to remove a President.

He never gets anything right.

 

[The Original Tree]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The Rules were Voted in Unanimously 100-0. What you saw was Democrats submitting Amendments to change The Rules in their favor that they earlier voted for 100-0.

Nothing worth discussing after that fact.

The only hyperbole is your misrepresentation of what The Senate is doing.

How am I being hyperbolic?

Do you read your own damn posts? You are not fooling anyone. We don't think you are cool or slick, or anything at all. The entire 2nd and 3rd paragraph is nothing but hyperbole.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.


WTF? I thought The House conducted a FULL and THOROUGH INQUIRY, that they Gaveled, Voted on The Articles, and Deemed The Evidence Complete, their work so WELL DONE, that

"THE Evidence was Alarming, Damning, Incontrovertible, Irrefutable, Shocking, and SO OVERWHELMING, that it was an URGENT MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY, and That WE IMMEDIATELY HAD TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT HAVING NO CHOICE BUT TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC"

At any rate the rules were voted on 100-0 unanimously so what is your issue? That is isn't bipartisan?

It is very clear

Your Opinion. The Only Thing Clear is that The Democrats Rammed this through The House, while threatening Dem Representatives with being primaried or defunded.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

Clear Documentation and Witnesses were Presented in THE HOUSE, and THE HOUSE SAID SO. IT was OVERWHELMING AND INCONTROVERTIBLE, DAMNING AND IRREFUTABLE, so much so, they had no choice and could reach no other remedy but impeachment and removal from office as quickly as possible, because the election was coming and they just can't have Trump on The Ballot, because what if THE PEOPLE Re-Elect him? Oh Horror!

You can't try a man twice for a NON CRIME, like you think you are going to do. Your case sucked, and was a fraud and so are you.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth,

Your Opinion. The Truth or Lack Thereof was supposed to be found in The House Inquiry. If you couldn't find it, like you can't find your own ass with your own hands, we aren't finding it for you.


seeing the facts,

The Facts were to be presented by The House Inquiry, If you failed in doing that it's not The Senate's Job to finish your incomplete work. You said you did your work. Why did you lie then?


or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case.

Why are you repeating yourself? The Facts are contained in The House Inquiry. If they are not enough, it is because you are trying to hang an innocent man and after 4 years of harassing him and utilizing unlimited resources, and the full power of The Federal Government, DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, you cannot even manufacture The FAKE EVIDENCE you need to convict him.

They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case.

The President is Allowed to Defend Himself against these false accusations. The House refused to allow the Minority to defend The President, and violated Due Process, and his Civil Rights, and now you have the gall to come here and claim that defending The President is somehow dishonest, insidious and some kind of a cover up? You are a vile human being.

It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached

Sure as Hell sounds like you are lying through your teeth about that given your aforementioned statements. The only thing that stinks is the decaying rotteness of your corrupt soul.

I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up.

Sure you don't want him impeached. Anything but a conviction is a cover up with you people. RIGHT? RIGHT?

When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

No, you are just adopting their Propaganda, Promoting their Lies, like you Promoted Russian Propaganda that started this whole thing and that The Wicked Democrats Paid for to interfere in our election with, attempt a COUP with and Launch an Impeachment Siege upon The White House with. You are promoting Hyperbole. You are promoting Treason. You are promoting Sedition. You are part of THE COUP.

that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case.

You are repeating yourself again. All The Facts are contained in The House Inquiry. You deemed them incontrovertible and voted on them and wrote articles on them.

They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

Yes, you are engaging in Hyperbole and posturing. Go pound salt. We are on to you.

 

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I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

This isn't a free for all. This is a trial to address the actions of the House of Representatives. The impeachment trial was the place for witnesses and documentation. And of course it is going to be dismissed, in the exact manner the Democrats dismissed Biden's blatant and braggadocio quid pro quo:

^ The Senate is calling bullshit on the resistance movement....

 

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No, they didn't. For the subpeonas to be valid, the entire House had to formally vote to approve the impeachment inquiry. They didn't.

The House Impeachment Managers' claim that there MIGHT be evidence against the President 'out there' - they just have to look for it - is IRRELEVANT and has NOTHING to do with the existing case, the existing information they had that led them to Impeach the President.

It was based on THAT information that the House Democrats voted to Impeach, and it is now up to the House Impeachment Managers to present THAT information, THAT case, to prove / justify their vote to Impeach was warranted or not.

The Democrats refuse to do that.

In doing so, they prove the testimony of Democrat Constitutional Expert Jonathon Turley, testifying before the House Judiciary Committee during the House Impeachment, to be true. Turley testified that the President did NOT violate the Constitution, that he did NOT break the law, and that he did NOT abuse his power. He went on to add that the only ones who have done so and continue to do so are DEMOCRATS.