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You can do whatever your like.
They are Americans. So was Jeffrey Dahmer and Timothy McVeigh. Being American doesn't give you a free pass.
Why do you assume I'm one of "you people". I think all should get vaxxed. Where have I turned it into a certain type of person. As it happens, I posted another thread where five conservative talk show hosts in the US told their listeners not to get vaxxed. All five got COVID and died. Shrug...
Being American means one can tell the rest of the underperforming, ungrateful, envious world that it can fuck itself.
 

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haha, Merkel got duped on that baby boy lying on a beach picture. Did you hear a deep from her regarding the Afghan refugees?
In the end, Biden did something that Trump could not do making France pulls their ambassador :thewave:

Macron was grandstanding because he's in an election campaign. Nothing more, nothing less. Everybody has kissed and made up.
 

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I love the image too. It hearkens back to a time recently when our president was an alpha male who still called the shots around the world, in the entire room, and America held the trump cards (sorry) and everything either began or ended with US.

Now we are faced with a president other countries call an imbecile, other countries now yank their ambassadors from, a leader who asks permission to speak and what to talk about from a subordinate, and gets shouted down when he tries to speak before his handlers have approved his script.

Trump is not and has never been an alpha male. He's beta bully, and he called the shots with no one. The rest of the world laughed at him, and we're still laughing at fools like you who voted for him.
 

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Being American means one can tell the rest of the underperforming, ungrateful, envious world that it can fuck itself.

You're the ones who are under performing here Skippy. 600,000 plus dead and counting and no end in sight.

The only country in the first world where life expectancy is declining, the middle class is shrinking. The wealth gap between rich and poor is expanding at the fastest rate in the world.

You've even fallen out of the top place to live in the world.
 

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Macron was grandstanding because he's in an election campaign. Nothing more, nothing less. Everybody has kissed and made up.
Ya, they will kiss and made up eventually.
Macron just made a pack with India after Brit. PM told him to grow up. Then, CCP keeps flying aircraft into Taiwan's airspace. It feels like pre - WWI
 

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You're the ones who are under performing here Skippy. 600,000 plus dead and counting and no end in sight.

The only country in the first world where life expectancy is declining, the middle class is shrinking. The wealth gap between rich and poor is expanding at the fastest rate in the world.

You've even fallen out of the top place to live in the world.
Show US where there is a stronger Middle Class? I don’t dispute that it is declining in the US but att least we still have a Middle Class. Many global economies decidedly lean Socialist. In Socialism, there is little to no room for a Middle Class.

You site 600,000 dead due to COVID …. That is a whopping .02 percent of the population. There are many countries with more COVID deaths and higher rates.
 

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There are two reasons, but I don't really know which one tickles my fancy. It's either because Merkel looks like a school teacher telling off a little boy, or it's Trump's defiant-looking "I-don't-give-a-shit" attitude. Then there is the secondary players like the Japanese Prime Minister. It's like he's looking at Merkel and thinking, "do you best, I've tried", or "I told you so, there's no getting through to him". God knows what Bolton is saying. The guy on the left looks like a priest about to give the last rites. Who to, I don't know.

Anyway, Merkel bows out. I know conservative Americans hate her, but she will go down as one of the leading lights of democracy. One of the few Western leaders who stood up to Putin and didn't take shit from Britain when it hit the Brexit button.
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You know your man Biden is president now

Right?
 
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Show US where there is a stronger Middle Class? I don’t dispute that it is declining in the US but att least we still have a Middle Class. Many global economies decidedly lean Socialist. In Socialism, there is little to no room for a Middle Class.

You site 600,000 dead due to COVID …. That is a whopping .02 percent of the population. There are many countries with more COVID deaths and higher rates.
Not many are higher. The only Western countries that are higher are Belgium and Italy.

Oh, all of Western Europe, Canada, Australia and NZ have middle classes. Vast majority are better off than the USA.
 

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Not many are higher. The only Western countries that are higher are Belgium and Italy.

Oh, all of Western Europe, Canada, Australia and NZ have middle classes. Vast majority are better off than the USA.
How are the middle classes in the countries and regions you sited better than the US? Is that reflected in their immigration numbers and rates? How much upward mobility and opportunity are these countries providing its Middle Class?
 

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Show US where there is a stronger Middle Class? I don’t dispute that it is declining in the US but att least we still have a Middle Class. Many global economies decidedly lean Socialist. In Socialism, there is little to no room for a Middle Class.

You site 600,000 dead due to COVID …. That is a whopping .02 percent of the population. There are many countries with more COVID deaths and higher rates.

Your country is the only first world country where the middle class is in decline. Everywhere else we are growing our middle class. Canada has the fastest growing middle class in the world.

This is important because a healthy and thriving middle class is a necessity to a thriving capitalistic economy. Your economy is sputtering and stalling because your middle class is struggling, with more people falling into poverty than are rising into wealth.

The gap between rich and poor is widening at the fastest rate in American history. This is the result of 40 years of tax cuts going largely to the top 10%. 80% of the wealth and income of your nation flows to the top.

As for your callousness in saying “so what” to 600,000 deaths, thats basically the attitude of dictators towards their people. It’s not just that 600,000 people died and you don’t give a shit, it’s the effect on 600,000 families to lose a loved one.

Everyone who died had people who cared about them, whose lives will be profoundly affected by the fact that they’re gone. And you’re dismissing that as a big “so what”.

Last but not least, this is an indictment of your healthcare system which failed you utterly. No matter how advanced your medicines and treatments, healthcare system which fails to keep the nation healthy and only treat the sick, is an abject failure.
 

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How are the middle classes in the countries and regions you sited better than the US? Is that reflected in their immigration numbers and rates? How much upward mobility and opportunity are these countries providing its Middle Class?

We keep more of our income than Americans do. We pay higher income taxes, but zero in health insurance premiums, which are part of taxes.

Our healthcare costs per capita, or half of what yours are. Our populations are healthier, and spend less on health insurance than middle-class Americans.

We are also not spending 4% of our GDP on military either. We’re spending 2% or less. The savings on military expenditures and healthcare are invested in infrastructure, education, and providing income supports for our poorest individuals.

Our tax dollars are reinvested in our country, not rebuilding Afghanistan and making war throughout the Middle East. You have pissed away trillions rebuilding Afghanistan while America crumbles.

Your tax dollars should be going to Things to help YOU and the rest of the American people thrive, not fighting wasteful wars and rebuilding the countries you’ve blown up.
 

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We keep more of our income than Americans do. We pay higher income taxes, but zero in health insurance premiums, which are part of taxes.

Our healthcare costs per capita, or half of what yours are. Our populations are healthier, and spend less on health insurance than middle-class Americans.

We are also not spending 4% of our GDP on military either. We’re spending 2% or less. The savings on military expenditures and healthcare are invested in infrastructure, education, and providing income supports for our poorest individuals.

Our tax dollars are reinvested in our country, not rebuilding Afghanistan and making war throughout the Middle East. You have pissed away trillions rebuilding Afghanistan while America crumbles.

Your tax dollars should be going to Things to help YOU and the rest of the American people thrive, not fighting wasteful wars and rebuilding the countries you’ve blown up.

How are you paying higher income taxes yet keeping more of your income? Who or what pays for National Healthcare? Last time I was in Ottawa -about 10 years ago - I was the lone US citizen (from Washington DC no less) and my dinner party at a restaurant was lecturing me how the US needed to move more towards affordable healthcare. In the next breath, they were complaining how top doctors were packing up and moving out of Canada to the US so their income wouldn’t be capped.
 
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How are the middle classes in the countries and regions you sited better than the US? Is that reflected in their immigration numbers and rates? How much upward mobility and opportunity are these countries providing its Middle Class?
How are they not? How is the US middle class better? What does immigration have to do with it?
There is a tonne of opportunities in all these countries.
15 years ago we had a choice to immigrate to Australia or the US. My (now ex) wife got a job offer she couldn't refuse from both countries. It wasn't even close when it came to a decision.
 

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