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" I have a right not to be infected "..... Um...no... you don't actually have that right....it does not exist.

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Ahh... you're hilarious.
Why? I'm not totally insensitive to people's feelings. I may not be convinced of their viewpoints but I'm not averse to wearing a mask in someone's presence if they are panic-stricken about contagion. I simply realize that it's a meaningless gesture that's all. If it makes them more comfortable then I suppose there's some value in it regardless of it's deceptiveness.

The only way to avoid risk is to live in a bubble and even then someone could come along with a sharp object and pop the bubble. The point is you simply cannot extract total compliance from the population. It's never been accomplished at any time in history and is not likely to be accomplished any time in the future. Given that one aspect alone you would think people would realize that we all accept risk as a part of our daily regimen to a greater or lesser extent and we do whatever we can to mitigate it unless mitigation means complete cessation of all life activities.

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Why? I'm not totally insensitive to people's feelings. I may not be convinced of their viewpoints but I'm not averse to wearing a mask in someone's presence if they are panic-stricken about contagion. I simply realize that it's a meaningless gesture that's all. If it makes them more comfortable then I suppose there's some value in it regardless of it's deceptiveness.

The only way to avoid risk is to live in a bubble and even then someone could come along with a sharp object and pop the bubble. The point is you simply cannot extract total compliance from the population. It's never been accomplished at any time in history and is not likely to be accomplished any time in the future. Given that one aspect alone you would think people would realize that we all accept risk as a part of our daily regimen to a greater or lesser extent and we do whatever we can to mitigate it unless mitigation means complete cessation of all life activities.

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No…you’re hilarious because you’re immune to logic and common sense.
 

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So you think by stepping out your door you're waving your rights to safety? Please explain.
So you cross the street at a busy intersection without looking--do you WAIVE your rights to safety. C'mon moron, PERSONAL responsibility has everything to do with safety. We ain't yo' mama.
 
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No…you’re hilarious because you’re immune to logic and common sense.
Really? I don't have any problem completely destroying you in any exchange we have.
Trying to make an intellectual appeal to some unidentified point of higher learning is an unsuccessful method in any debate. You look like the guy standing on the corner with an empty expression just pointing at the sky with his mouth wide open. You need to flesh out your position with actual reasoning and fact and stop using the old, worn out and irrelevant left-wing method of simply defaming the opposing viewpoint....t doesn't work anymore.
 

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Not more likely----LESS likely.
You just keep telling yourself that, sugar, but don't hold your breath waiting for it to come true.

Or maybe do.
 

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You just keep telling yourself that, sugar, but don't hold your breath waiting for it to come true.

Or maybe do.
I am telling you that, sweetie. The facts speak for themselves. The medical and science communities
are way ahead of the mega morons in the realities involving health care.
 

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So, since the people that have been vaccinated can catch and spread the virus (even unknowingly, since they claim the jab can reduce the symptoms), when does the season open, and what's the bag limit????

Read some history on the Yellow Fever epidemics.
 

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The non existent claim of “ right not to be infected “ simply does not exist. I mention this because it has been

Championed by the collectivist society as the spear head of their reasoning to remove everyone else’s choice in the matter. So let’s examine this position offered out by the totalitarian left.

First let me say that I have some sympathy for the position….and I understand the fears and compulsions that lead to that position. However life is not simply a chain of actions and reactions governed by our fears and compulsions…if it was non of us would live past our first few decades and we certainly would have no form of functioning society.

To illustrate let’s take a common activity….. Driving for instance. We all have a right to be safe on the road but non of us ever truly are. There is always a common risk when you get behind the wheel and drive someplace. The common risk is accepted as the necessary entropy so to speak required to allow the activity to exist which everyone does agree is an important function. Continuous and progressive applications of risk aversion elements in this particular life function would quickly and permanently eliminate the possibility of driving anywhere at any time for anything using any kind of vehicle. You can see immediately where the problem lies here. So the right to be safe on the road does not translate into the absolute value of the function (in this case driving) to the point where it eliminates the function altogether and in a sense that right is only an inferred right. It does not actually exist.

Let’s repeat that once more for emphasis…. It does not actually exist ….. you more or less give it up when you agree to get a driver’s license and purchase vehicle insurance for your car. You are paying to be involved in that risk so that you can benefit from the transportation that you would suffer without otherwise. It’s an unavoidable trade off.

Similarly with human society….we are agreeing to the risks of living in an organized culture so that we can benefit from the group effort that builds cities, highways, food stores, pharmacies, police and fire systems and so forth. As with any activity, driving included…..there are common risks that cannot be eliminated without eliminating the entire system. Contagion is one of them. “The right not to be infected “ is an impossible right to enforce on any reasonable level. It’s a reverse right, a misnomer…..and is in fact not a right at all. It does not exist.

If that were the case we would have to make the common cold illegal. While nothing prevents our adventurous legislators from trying that….they might as well legislate against the next eclipse for all the good such a law would do them. The perception that another person who is unvaccinated is violating our rights is a dead end. It has no measureable parameters and is inseparably integrated into the set of rules that we agree to vicariously when we consciously decide to be a member of society rather than to live on the outskirts of civilization in a cave someplace chasing down small rodents for protein.

This happened during a heated discussion with some fellow employees …. Spontaneously….. “ I have a right not to be infected “….was the statement made to me….. My response was: “ There is no such right because it’s not actually a right“….. end of story.



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No one has the right to infect others either.
 

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