I finally got COVID. Crazy coincidences surround it.

[Briss]

What does "40% effective" mean to you?

Well now that's a good question. Let's say the flu vaccine reduces the risk of infection by 40%. Since I'm not receiving immunity, why isn't it being called a treatment?

 

[okfine]

WOW! You heard that the PCR-test is 100% reliable? I am very curious to find out where you heard this because it's not true.

If there is enough viral genetic material to be sampled.

 

[Briss]

If there is enough viral genetic material to be sampled.

Covid-19 Quotations: Questioning PCR Reliability

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

“PCR-based testing produces enough false positive results to make positive results highly unreliable over a broad range of real-world scenarios.” — Andrew N. Cohen, Ph.D.1*, Bruce Kessel, M.D.2, Michael G. Milgroom, Ph.D.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911v3.full.pdf

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

“…all or a substantial part of these positives could be due to what’s called false positives tests.” — Michael Yeadon: former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer



“…false positive results will occur regularly, despite high specificity, causing unnecessary community isolation and contact tracing, and nosocomial infection if inpatients with false positive tests are cohorted with infectious patients.” — The European Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases

https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(20)30614-5/fulltext

“…you can find almost anything in anybody…it doesn’t tell you that you’re sick and it doesn’t tell you the thing you ended up with really was going to hurt you…” — Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD (Nobel Peace Prize Winner inventor of the PCR test)

Mask Off MN - Covid 19 Crisis Exposed as Fraud

“I’m skeptical that a PCR test is ever true. It’s a great scientific research tool. It’s a horrible tool for clinical medicine.” — Dr. David Rasnick, biochemist and protease developer

“…up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus.” — The New York Times

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial

“A positive RT-qPCR result may not necessarily mean the person is still infectious or that he or she still has any meaningful disease.” — Michael R Tom, Michael J Mina

To Interpret the SARS-CoV-2 Test, Consider the Cycle Threshold Value

“PCR does not distinguish between infectious virus and non-infectious nucleic acid” — Barry Atkinson: National Collection of Pathogenic Viruses (NCPV) Eskild Petersen: infectious disease specialist

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30868-0/fulltext

“Detection of viral RNA does not necessarily mean that a person is infectious and able to transmit the virus to another person” — The World Health Organization

“Caution needs to be applied to the results as it often does not detect infectious virus. PCR results may lead to restrictions for large groups of people who do not present an infection risk.” — The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Are you infectious if you have a positive PCR test result for COVID-19? - The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste
“The challenge is the false positive rate is very high, so only seven percent of tests will be successful in identifying those that actually have the the virus. So the truth is, we can’t just rely on that…” — Dominic Raab – First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs

Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste - Global Research

“positive results […] do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite.” — FDA

https://www.fda.gov/media/136151/download

“A positive RT-qPCR result may not necessarily mean the person is still infectious or that he or she still has any meaningful disease.” — Michael R Tom, Michael J Mina

To Interpret the SARS-CoV-2 Test, Consider the Cycle Threshold Value

“…no single gold standard assay exists. The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.” — Dr. Elena Surkova; Vladyslav Nikolayevskyy – Public Health Englamd; Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College

 

[okfine]

Covid-19 Quotations: Questioning PCR Reliability

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

“PCR-based testing produces enough false positive results to make positive results highly unreliable over a broad range of real-world scenarios.” — Andrew N. Cohen, Ph.D.1*, Bruce Kessel, M.D.2, Michael G. Milgroom, Ph.D.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911v3.full.pdf

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

“…all or a substantial part of these positives could be due to what’s called false positives tests.” — Michael Yeadon: former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer



“…false positive results will occur regularly, despite high specificity, causing unnecessary community isolation and contact tracing, and nosocomial infection if inpatients with false positive tests are cohorted with infectious patients.” — The European Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases

https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(20)30614-5/fulltext

“…you can find almost anything in anybody…it doesn’t tell you that you’re sick and it doesn’t tell you the thing you ended up with really was going to hurt you…” — Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD (Nobel Peace Prize Winner inventor of the PCR test)

Mask Off MN - Covid 19 Crisis Exposed as Fraud

“I’m skeptical that a PCR test is ever true. It’s a great scientific research tool. It’s a horrible tool for clinical medicine.” — Dr. David Rasnick, biochemist and protease developer

“…up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus.” — The New York Times

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial

“A positive RT-qPCR result may not necessarily mean the person is still infectious or that he or she still has any meaningful disease.” — Michael R Tom, Michael J Mina

To Interpret the SARS-CoV-2 Test, Consider the Cycle Threshold Value

“PCR does not distinguish between infectious virus and non-infectious nucleic acid” — Barry Atkinson: National Collection of Pathogenic Viruses (NCPV) Eskild Petersen: infectious disease specialist

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30868-0/fulltext

“Detection of viral RNA does not necessarily mean that a person is infectious and able to transmit the virus to another person” — The World Health Organization

“Caution needs to be applied to the results as it often does not detect infectious virus. PCR results may lead to restrictions for large groups of people who do not present an infection risk.” — The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Are you infectious if you have a positive PCR test result for COVID-19? - The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste
“The challenge is the false positive rate is very high, so only seven percent of tests will be successful in identifying those that actually have the the virus. So the truth is, we can’t just rely on that…” — Dominic Raab – First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs

Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste - Global Research

“positive results […] do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite.” — FDA

https://www.fda.gov/media/136151/download

“A positive RT-qPCR result may not necessarily mean the person is still infectious or that he or she still has any meaningful disease.” — Michael R Tom, Michael J Mina

To Interpret the SARS-CoV-2 Test, Consider the Cycle Threshold Value

“…no single gold standard assay exists. The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.” — Dr. Elena Surkova; Vladyslav Nikolayevskyy – Public Health Englamd; Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College


URL: PCR-Test Cycle Threshold Issue - Page 3

I've read it before. A major factor in reliability is when the sample is taken. As in incubation of the virus... too early or too late.
PCR is still more reliable than the Antigen test.

Also, I used to visit a hematologist on a regular basis. Try talking with an expert on the subject. I sure as hell wouldn't get the info off of the internet as asking questions is way better than an opinion from a poster on this site.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well now that's a good question. Let's say the flu vaccine reduces the risk of infection by 40%. Since I'm not receiving immunity, why isn't it being called a treatment?

Because it's a vaccine.
A vaccine is where you put something into your body and it provides a certain amount of immunity.

 

[Briss]

I've read it before. A major factor in reliability is when the sample is taken. As in incubation of the virus... too early or too late.
PCR is still more reliable than the Antigen test.

Also, I used to visit a hematologist on a regular basis. Try talking with an expert on the subject. I sure as hell wouldn't get the info off of the internet as asking questions is way better than an opinion from a poster on this site.

I hope you're not saying that the sources of the quotes I've posted don't exist. Is that what you were trying to say indirectly?

 

[okfine]

I hope you're not saying that the sources of the quotes I've posted don't exist. Is that what you were trying to say indirectly?

Are you an anti-vaxxer? If so I don't want to converse with you on the subject.

 

[Briss]

Are you an anti-vaxxer? If so I don't want to converse with you on the subject.

No. You were called out for trying to discredit the sources and their quoted statements that I provided because they didn't share your notion concerning the PCR-test reliability.

You knew better than to claim they don't exist or that they never said what they said. That's what happened here.

 

[beagle9]

Vaccines aren't designed to stop you getting it.
They're designed to reduce the chances of getting it and reduce the impact of the virus when you do get it.

Yeah and I know plenty who didn't get the vaccines, and yes they got Covid back in the delta day's, and yes they got immunity from getting over the virus, and yes some got it again (still no vaccine), and yes they never shut down other than isolation for 10 days, and that was moved to 5 days by the CDC, and no they never were isolated after they got well, and yes they kept working, and no one shunned them, and no they didn't infect no one after they got over it, and they've been well ever since. Most wore the mask in the begining, but no one is wearing the mask anymore. The virus is still around, but no one is dying from it, and most get treated and survive without any side affects from the virus.

What better results do you want ???

 

[Turtlesoup]

Symptoms since Wednesday. The FTL sons for a little over two years.

Both went into the military, both have jobs, but both divorced and have moved back in with grumpy dad and mom who is about one eighth Italian, but acts like the stereotypical Italian mama mia, lamenting that they still live at home, while cooking up all their favorite meals.

That's your problem right there.......
Make them cook----
they will move out and find g/fs to cook for them.

 

[okfine]

No. You were called out for trying to discredit the sources and their quoted statements that I provided. You knew better than to claim they don't exist or that they never said what they said. That's what happened here.

I didn't try. GFY.

 

[Briss]

I didn't try. GFY.

Oh but you did! It's a matter of public record now.

"Try talking with an expert on the subject. I sure as hell wouldn't get the info off of the internet as asking questions is way better than an opinion from a poster on this site."

The important thing is that you'll never do that again.

You're welcome . . .

 

[okfine]

No. You were called out for trying to discredit the sources and their quoted statements that I provided because they didn't share your notion concerning the PCR-test reliability.

You knew better than to claim they don't exist or that they never said what they said. That's what happened here.

You just want an argument and have it your way. See ya.

 

[Briss]

You just want an argument and have it your way. See ya.

You said the PCR-test was 100% reliable. You made a false statement. I brought you all those quotes from those medical authorities, and your reaction to being corrected was to complain that I just want to argue. You need to learn the difference between someone arguing with you, and someone correcting you.

Your argument is with the people and organizations I just brought to your attention; not me. However, if you really believe they got it wrong, make your case and we'll see if you're firmly centered in reality.

 

[rightnow909]

More than two years into the pandemic, I finally came up positive. I'm fully vaxxed, which you could read two ways. You could say that I'm more proof that the vaccines are useless, or you could say that the vaccines were what kept me from getting it all these months.

i can't for the life of me figure out why you or anyone would get the vax...

hmmm...

In any case, get well soon

 

[beautress]

More than two years into the pandemic, I finally came up positive. I'm fully vaxxed, which you could read two ways. You could say that I'm more proof that the vaccines are useless, or you could say that the vaccines were what kept me from getting it all these months.

I went on a cruise last Saturday (June 4). I had to provide proof of a medical test that showed me COVID negative, along with my wife. About Tuesday, I started getting a scratchy throat. One of our friends had been hoarse since the beginning the trip, and on Monday, I made the mistake of swapping pieces of fried chicken with her.

I was having some trouble breathing the next few days, but I was sweating out zip lining and climbing Mayan pyramids, so it was hard to judge how bad I was. I had Sucrets but no decongestant, so I was glad yesterday to see that I had some Thera-flu at home.

While I was sipping it, my son comes in from his job as a National Guardsman to announce that his office had a mini-pandemic of COVID and that he had just tested positive. I took a step back and said "sorry to hear that." His mom of course sat right down with him to listen to his tale of woah.

My other son walked down and heard the news. He's a bit of a hypo so he happen to have yet another COVID test expected to be delivered the next day. I still had the COVID tests that Biden mailed me, so he and I both took the test and came up positive.

I know that was way too quick to catch COVID from my son, but it seems such a co-ink-ee-dink to come home with COVID to a son who just got COVID from a completely different source.

Honestly, I'm off work right now, so if there is ever a good time to be COVID positive, this is it. I would have hated to tell my grandkids (if those failure-to-launch generation sons of mine ever produce any), that I went through the pandemic and never got the COVID.

Prayers up for you full recuperation, Seymour Flops. Hope you're feeling better in no time.