- Feb 15, 2012
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- In a mysanthropic malaise
I'm aware of the Schengen bit, and yeah Tony Blair's government took it upon themselves to do away with their internal Visa checks. That's where I said that you're right in that the UK could take greater control of their own system if they chose to.The UK is not a part of the Schengen agreement. Our government controls it. The racist trash had every opportunity to vote for no immigration by backing one of several anti-immigration parties in many elections. None of them ever made a dent.The EU has shared movement laws. If one nation in the EU invites in immigrants, the other nations are stuck with that. Yeah, the German people can vote out Merkel. The British can't.The German people can vote out Mrs Merkel if they dont like her policies.I'm not being forced? So I can just alter border enforcement rules and provisions at my will? No? So then, I'm forced to live with whatever the people in power ultimately decide? Just because there isn't a gun physically aimed at my head doesn't mean I have a choice in the matter.Where are you being forced ? Is somebody pointing a gun at you ?So, I know my original response was posed as a point and not a question, but I'm seriously asking. . .
Why is it not okay to force disparate cultures into nations together in Africa, but it is desirable to force disparate cultures into the US and European countries? I'm honestly asking.
The West invited immigrants to come and work and live here. We are better for it.
Worse yet in Western Europe. There's a growing number of folks in some of those nations who are quite displeased with Merkel's choice to allow virtually unlimited migration into their nations. The UK voted for Brexit, their Parliament shut it down. Yeah, I'd have to say that "forced" is a pretty accurate way of framing things.
So great, you're happy with immigration. Your opinion on what constitutes the west being "better" really is immaterial to my question, though. If the West is bettered by unmitigated immigration from disparate cultures, why are African nations not bettered by having disparate cultures brought together by borders that create diverse, multicultural countries?
Why is it good for the West but not for the Africans?
What has brexit got to do with immigration from Africa ? I dont understand.
You're are right in that the UK could take some greater degree of control of their immigration laws if they chose to do so. However, one of the major reasons Brexit won was based on concern over mass immigration. Clearly, those people in the UK who would like to take more control over the immigration system are unable to affect that.
I'm not trying to knock the democratic process, but the mere fact that people got to vote doesn't mean that the losers have a choice in whether or not they're going to obey the will of the majority. Democracy isn't the absence of force.
Now, if you're done dodging. . .
Why is the combination of disparate cultures good for western nations but bad for African ones?
Democracy sucks when you lose and you end up making up shit on the internet. Like you are doing here.
You're right, though, bad argument in terms of the mass immigration in Europe that the UK could prevent without actually removing Merkel. Can the Polish?
And yes, democracy can suck when you lose. Not my point. You were clearly implying that diversity wasn't being forced on anyone if it came about democratically. I disagree. When you're on the losing side, the results are forced upon you.
At any rate, if I beg or something, can I get you to answer the question?
Why is the combination of disparate cultures good for Western nations, but bad for African ones? No matter how many dodges you respond with, I'm not going to forget that you haven't yet addressed what seems to be a massive contradiction in your outlook.