How to actually stop mass public shootings...if you care about stopping them vs. just hating guns.

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The Secret Service looked at how to stop mass public shootings....

The statistic that really stands out to Petty is the fact that, in the nearly 70 potential school shootings that were prevented, 94% of the would-be attackers told someone about their plans beforehand. The key in stopping these types of attacks before they take place involves alerting the proper channels, whether itā€™s the school itself or local law enforcement.


Even when the would-be attackers didnā€™t explicitly divulge their plans, however, there are other commonalities in behavior that could indicate the potential for violence:

  • 33% had substance abuse issues
  • 30% had prior contact with law enforcement
  • 70% had documented mental health issues, including previous suicide attempts, depression, and receiving treatment.
  • 91% had ā€œstressorsā€ within the previous five years, including physical abuse at home or bullying at school.
Additionally, nearly half (41%) of the potential attackers had demonstrated an interest in the Columbine killings in Littleton, Colorado in 1999, which has gained an almost cult-like following among a small subset of Americans.
Obviously, this doesnā€™t mean that every student busted for smoking pot or getting into a fight is plotting an attack on their school. These acts of violence are extraordinarily rare, but the commonalities among those either planning an attack or those who managed to carry out their plans can help to identify and address the threat before any violence occurs.


The actual paper...

 
Another look at stopping mass public shooters...

Iā€™ve just returned from the Rangemaster Tactical Conference in Dallas, where genuine experts on these matters such as Tom Givens and Ed Monk confirmed that death tolls are cut dramatically short when would-be mass murderers are resisted with lawful, countervailing deadly force.


This simple, incontrovertible truth has been known since the beginning. But the same mass media that demands decent people be deprived of the most efficient defensive firearms, or even rendered entirely helpless, continues to make it clear to every thwarted loser full of hate that mass murder will give him longer than ā€œfifteen minutes of fame,ā€ and indeed make him the focus of CNN reporting for days.

Iā€™ve taught for decades that the fire extinguisher is a direct analog to the defensive firearm. It is an emergency life-saving rescue tool for the first responder ā€“ the citizen actually at the scene when deadly danger suddenly manifests itself ā€“ to extinguish lethal threat and clear a lane of safety for the innocent until societyā€™s designated official first responders can arrive to take over.

 
Another look at stopping mass public shooters...

Iā€™ve just returned from the Rangemaster Tactical Conference in Dallas, where genuine experts on these matters such as Tom Givens and Ed Monk confirmed that death tolls are cut dramatically short when would-be mass murderers are resisted with lawful, countervailing deadly force.


This simple, incontrovertible truth has been known since the beginning. But the same mass media that demands decent people be deprived of the most efficient defensive firearms, or even rendered entirely helpless, continues to make it clear to every thwarted loser full of hate that mass murder will give him longer than ā€œfifteen minutes of fame,ā€ and indeed make him the focus of CNN reporting for days.

Iā€™ve taught for decades that the fire extinguisher is a direct analog to the defensive firearm. It is an emergency life-saving rescue tool for the first responder ā€“ the citizen actually at the scene when deadly danger suddenly manifests itself ā€“ to extinguish lethal threat and clear a lane of safety for the innocent until societyā€™s designated official first responders can arrive to take over.



Murder Rate by Country 2021 - World Population Review
211 rows Ā· Japan, which has the lowest murder rate in the world of 0.2 per 100,000, has stringent weapons regulations. Obtaining a firearm involves a very lengthy application process, and murder is
 
Another look at stopping mass public shooters...

Iā€™ve just returned from the Rangemaster Tactical Conference in Dallas, where genuine experts on these matters such as Tom Givens and Ed Monk confirmed that death tolls are cut dramatically short when would-be mass murderers are resisted with lawful, countervailing deadly force.


This simple, incontrovertible truth has been known since the beginning. But the same mass media that demands decent people be deprived of the most efficient defensive firearms, or even rendered entirely helpless, continues to make it clear to every thwarted loser full of hate that mass murder will give him longer than ā€œfifteen minutes of fame,ā€ and indeed make him the focus of CNN reporting for days.

Iā€™ve taught for decades that the fire extinguisher is a direct analog to the defensive firearm. It is an emergency life-saving rescue tool for the first responder ā€“ the citizen actually at the scene when deadly danger suddenly manifests itself ā€“ to extinguish lethal threat and clear a lane of safety for the innocent until societyā€™s designated official first responders can arrive to take over.




Murder Rate by Country 2021 - World Population Review
211 rows Ā· Japan, which has the lowest murder rate in the world of 0.2 per 100,000, has stringent weapons regulations. Obtaining a firearm involves a very lengthy application process, and murder is


And yet the Yakuza gets all the guns they want or need.....and as I have pointed out in the past.....gun laws are not the reason Japan has a low crime rate...of all kinds...it is almost a police state......

As I point out.....the democrat party here in the U.S. keeps releasing violent gun offenders....Japan does not do that.....if our democrat party would stop releasing known, violent gun offenders who have long histories of crime and violence, our gun murder and gun crime rates would be as low as Japan's....without banning or confiscating guns...

We have criminals on parole for multiple gun felonies, including shooting and people and murdering people.....who then commit more of them...

Over 95% of our gun murder and gun crime is committed by the same individuals...over and over again....

Japan does not do this.......this is how they handle gun crime in Japan....

Japanā€™s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols

Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all ā€“ unless it is for an assassination.
ā€œIn a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. Thatā€™s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts ā€“ the gang office might actually get shut-down.ā€
The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.
Japanā€™s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.
Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, thatā€™s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.
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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: ā€œAll of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. Thatā€™s not fun.ā€

--A police officer in Osakaā€™s Organized Crime Control Division, speaking on background noted, ā€œIn the de facto world of law enforcement, when a yakuza fires a gun, weā€™re almost always going to charge them with attempted murderā€”which is a very heavy crime and serious time in ā€˜the pig-houseā€™ (jail). Guns kill people, so if you use one, intent to kill is right there. Toy guns? Not so much.ā€
He added, ā€œUnless youā€™re an old gangster and wanting to stay in jail until you die because you got nowhere else to go, you donā€™t use a gun. The crime isnā€™t worth the time in jail.ā€

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: ā€œAll of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. Thatā€™s not fun.ā€
 
Another look at stopping mass public shooters...

Iā€™ve just returned from the Rangemaster Tactical Conference in Dallas, where genuine experts on these matters such as Tom Givens and Ed Monk confirmed that death tolls are cut dramatically short when would-be mass murderers are resisted with lawful, countervailing deadly force.


This simple, incontrovertible truth has been known since the beginning. But the same mass media that demands decent people be deprived of the most efficient defensive firearms, or even rendered entirely helpless, continues to make it clear to every thwarted loser full of hate that mass murder will give him longer than ā€œfifteen minutes of fame,ā€ and indeed make him the focus of CNN reporting for days.

Iā€™ve taught for decades that the fire extinguisher is a direct analog to the defensive firearm. It is an emergency life-saving rescue tool for the first responder ā€“ the citizen actually at the scene when deadly danger suddenly manifests itself ā€“ to extinguish lethal threat and clear a lane of safety for the innocent until societyā€™s designated official first responders can arrive to take over.




Murder Rate by Country 2021 - World Population Review
211 rows Ā· Japan, which has the lowest murder rate in the world of 0.2 per 100,000, has stringent weapons regulations. Obtaining a firearm involves a very lengthy application process, and murder is


And yet the Yakuza gets all the guns they want or need.....and as I have pointed out in the past.....gun laws are not the reason Japan has a low crime rate...of all kinds...it is almost a police state......

As I point out.....the democrat party here in the U.S. keeps releasing violent gun offenders....Japan does not do that.....if our democrat party would stop releasing known, violent gun offenders who have long histories of crime and violence, our gun murder and gun crime rates would be as low as Japan's....without banning or confiscating guns...

We have criminals on parole for multiple gun felonies, including shooting and people and murdering people.....who then commit more of them...

Over 95% of our gun murder and gun crime is committed by the same individuals...over and over again....

Japan does not do this.......this is how they handle gun crime in Japan....

Japanā€™s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols

Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all ā€“ unless it is for an assassination.
ā€œIn a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. Thatā€™s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts ā€“ the gang office might actually get shut-down.ā€
The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.
Japanā€™s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.
Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, thatā€™s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.
-----
A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: ā€œAll of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. Thatā€™s not fun.ā€

--A police officer in Osakaā€™s Organized Crime Control Division, speaking on background noted, ā€œIn the de facto world of law enforcement, when a yakuza fires a gun, weā€™re almost always going to charge them with attempted murderā€”which is a very heavy crime and serious time in ā€˜the pig-houseā€™ (jail). Guns kill people, so if you use one, intent to kill is right there. Toy guns? Not so much.ā€
He added, ā€œUnless youā€™re an old gangster and wanting to stay in jail until you die because you got nowhere else to go, you donā€™t use a gun. The crime isnā€™t worth the time in jail.ā€

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: ā€œAll of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. Thatā€™s not fun.ā€

I never heard of Yakuza.
 
Another look at stopping mass public shooters...

Iā€™ve just returned from the Rangemaster Tactical Conference in Dallas, where genuine experts on these matters such as Tom Givens and Ed Monk confirmed that death tolls are cut dramatically short when would-be mass murderers are resisted with lawful, countervailing deadly force.


This simple, incontrovertible truth has been known since the beginning. But the same mass media that demands decent people be deprived of the most efficient defensive firearms, or even rendered entirely helpless, continues to make it clear to every thwarted loser full of hate that mass murder will give him longer than ā€œfifteen minutes of fame,ā€ and indeed make him the focus of CNN reporting for days.

Iā€™ve taught for decades that the fire extinguisher is a direct analog to the defensive firearm. It is an emergency life-saving rescue tool for the first responder ā€“ the citizen actually at the scene when deadly danger suddenly manifests itself ā€“ to extinguish lethal threat and clear a lane of safety for the innocent until societyā€™s designated official first responders can arrive to take over.




Murder Rate by Country 2021 - World Population Review
211 rows Ā· Japan, which has the lowest murder rate in the world of 0.2 per 100,000, has stringent weapons regulations. Obtaining a firearm involves a very lengthy application process, and murder is


This is how Japan keeps the crime rate low.......explain to us which policies that the Japan police and prosecutors use that you would allow American police to do....please......tell us...

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.



Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.


The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana:
he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques,
Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence.
Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame,
the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial,
there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.


In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.
 
Another look at stopping mass public shooters...

Iā€™ve just returned from the Rangemaster Tactical Conference in Dallas, where genuine experts on these matters such as Tom Givens and Ed Monk confirmed that death tolls are cut dramatically short when would-be mass murderers are resisted with lawful, countervailing deadly force.


This simple, incontrovertible truth has been known since the beginning. But the same mass media that demands decent people be deprived of the most efficient defensive firearms, or even rendered entirely helpless, continues to make it clear to every thwarted loser full of hate that mass murder will give him longer than ā€œfifteen minutes of fame,ā€ and indeed make him the focus of CNN reporting for days.

Iā€™ve taught for decades that the fire extinguisher is a direct analog to the defensive firearm. It is an emergency life-saving rescue tool for the first responder ā€“ the citizen actually at the scene when deadly danger suddenly manifests itself ā€“ to extinguish lethal threat and clear a lane of safety for the innocent until societyā€™s designated official first responders can arrive to take over.




Murder Rate by Country 2021 - World Population Review
211 rows Ā· Japan, which has the lowest murder rate in the world of 0.2 per 100,000, has stringent weapons regulations. Obtaining a firearm involves a very lengthy application process, and murder is


And yet the Yakuza gets all the guns they want or need.....and as I have pointed out in the past.....gun laws are not the reason Japan has a low crime rate...of all kinds...it is almost a police state......

As I point out.....the democrat party here in the U.S. keeps releasing violent gun offenders....Japan does not do that.....if our democrat party would stop releasing known, violent gun offenders who have long histories of crime and violence, our gun murder and gun crime rates would be as low as Japan's....without banning or confiscating guns...

We have criminals on parole for multiple gun felonies, including shooting and people and murdering people.....who then commit more of them...

Over 95% of our gun murder and gun crime is committed by the same individuals...over and over again....

Japan does not do this.......this is how they handle gun crime in Japan....

Japanā€™s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols

Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all ā€“ unless it is for an assassination.
ā€œIn a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. Thatā€™s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts ā€“ the gang office might actually get shut-down.ā€
The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.
Japanā€™s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.
Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, thatā€™s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.
-----
A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: ā€œAll of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. Thatā€™s not fun.ā€

--A police officer in Osakaā€™s Organized Crime Control Division, speaking on background noted, ā€œIn the de facto world of law enforcement, when a yakuza fires a gun, weā€™re almost always going to charge them with attempted murderā€”which is a very heavy crime and serious time in ā€˜the pig-houseā€™ (jail). Guns kill people, so if you use one, intent to kill is right there. Toy guns? Not so much.ā€
He added, ā€œUnless youā€™re an old gangster and wanting to stay in jail until you die because you got nowhere else to go, you donā€™t use a gun. The crime isnā€™t worth the time in jail.ā€


A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: ā€œAll of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. Thatā€™s not fun.ā€

I never heard of Yakuza.

And yet you comment on the issue?

Here is the gang war in Japan in 2013........notice...they not only used guns, they also used grenades..

8 years ago....in Japan........

Published Jun. 25, 2013 5:53AM ET

Do you think grenades are illegal in Japan?

The Great Japanese Gang Wars

The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.

In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for ā€œhand grenadeā€ā€”one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).
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The Gangs That Couldnā€™t Shoot Straight

The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang warā€”where escalation seemed a matter of course.


It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men.
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In May, a 9-year-old child found a hand grenade in a rice field in Iizuka, Fukuoka Prefecture, and took it home, to the astonishment of his father, who handed it over to the local police. According to the police, there were no yakuza headquarters where the grenade was found.

The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.
 
The Columbine kids were doped up by the system with prescription drugs designed to keep them compliant in school. The problem is that the drugs act differently on different people. The Va. Tech. Blacksburg shooter was arrested for stalking female students. Local police did their best to keep his record clean even though he was so crazy that professors were afraid to be in the room alone with him. The arrest didn't show up on the instant name check and the court ordered psychiatric counseling didn't show up either. The system would work if (mostly) liberals stopped tampering with it and blaming the NRA.
 

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