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the manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.It's funny to watch conservative republicans not know how socialistic Total War was. Businesses got told by the government what they were manufacture for the war effort. No choices there.Bullshit. War socialism only harmed our ability to prosecute the war. What it did do is hide the cost of the war. Otherwise the taxpayers would have revolted.It went well beyond the New Deal
After Pearl Harbor, the Government took control of our industrial production, decided who built what, controlled all critical resources and where workers were allocated.
Socialism won WWII
If we relied on capitalism to fight WWII, we would have lost
Companies deciding whether or not they would produce war goods, critical supplies going to the highest bidder, workers coming and going as they pleased, companies funding their own R&D
The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.
I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.
Imagine if you had that freedom.
Everything I have, I did on my ownthe manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.
The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.
I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.
Imagine if you had that freedom.
No need to "imagine" anything. I earn my way, pay my premiums, co-pays and coinsurance. Imagine my freedom of not needing a f*cking thing from you.
Nobody helped me never, no how
Oh YAY. I replied to Dragon, not you a certified Beta Boi.
Gee I have all of that and I'm not paying anybody out of my pocket. If you lose your job, and can't make your payments, you're screwed.
You did NOTHING in this life on your own, unless you live on an island and have never seen another human being.
You have had parents, relatives, friends, teachers and bosses who have taught you, encouraged you, and trained you to be of use to society. If you are successful, it is not only a credit to you, but a credit to the system which gave you the tools to succeed, and the infrastructure to make it happen.
Have some gratitude because without them, you wouldn't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
FDR is the reason they went hungry. Most soup kitchens were run by churches, anyway, moron.FDR saved themThe socialist policies are what caused people to go hungry. Nobody starved, however.In the 1930s we enacted socialist policies to keep people from starvingOver Thirty million Russians died over collectivism in the 1930's in the Soviet Union. With all of our flaws, government has no soul when agendas become a tsunami. People believed in our nation during the depression that Sovit successes were making the rich. They did not know of the exterminations of people. This led to McCarthy. Now we embryonic Lenin Mensheviks in the Progressive Socialist Party that will lead to Bolsheviks.Sure, which is why you folks are constantly screaming about Venezuela and Cuba.No one said we had total socialism, shit for brains.
Talk radio has robbed you of your capacity for nuance, assuming you ever had it to begin with.
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Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .
How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .
I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.
uJust a few points;How’s Venezuela socialism doing?
This thread was intended to be about the USA. Bringing up Venezuela, Cuba or any other failed socialist state is just a red herring because we have little in common with them.
Secondly, no one can deny that this is a capitalist country. Corporations are making a ton of money and free enterprise is thriving and the means of production are for the most part private .
You boys get confused about this socialism thing because it is not a laissez fair system, there are regulations and controls in place in order to do things like protect consumers and workers, protect the environment and prevent reckless behavior by the banks. Don't like regulations ? Remember the crash of 2008? Remember child labor and sweat shops? Remember polluted water ways like the Hudson River?
Other things that you boys bleat about as Socialism are the social programs and anything that smacks of wealth redistribution. But social safety nets actually are essential Capitalism because, in a free market, demands for labor expand and contract so- there are times when there is excess labor- these programs keep those sidelined works alive and reasonably healthy for when they are need again .
As far as wealth redistribution goes, keep in mind that we have had a graduated income tax for a long time. It seems that you guys only started crying socialism around the time that Obama was elected. To much wealth and income inequality makes for an oligarchy and destroys democracy.
So if you want to preserve our way of life-our nation you have to rein in the greed
See post 114 and shut upThe current incarnation of the Right doesn't seem to be able to distinguish a difference between elements of socialism and total socialism.
I don't know why. I definitely have my guesses, though.
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The Right sees right past the bullshit. Begging Lefties bust their asses trying desperately to repackage socialism....Their current spin is silly...they’re calling it “elements of socialism”.
sounds like communism.Socialism is the EXCLUSIVE ownership and control of the means of production.I had a feeling you were retarded enough to think the government doesn't own the roads or public schools and control their means of production.Yep. Our government most certainly does own the production of roads and schools. Thoroughly.Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Example, our roads and schools are an example of socialism.
Our infrastructure was originally built entirely by private industry, with the exception of some post roads. But our steamship lines and canals and railroads were all built by private industry with ZERO government funding.
Does our government own the production of roads, schools etc..?
A system cannot be called socialism without the government collectively owning the means of production.
So are government-funded schools an example of socialism, dipshit?
No they don't own the means of production of roads. They pay private contractors to build the roads, and schools then the state government maintains them.
I don't expect you to be honest but please don't stop making yourself look even more stupid.
I suspected it, and now you just confirmed it.
Wow!
Sad.
The VA, a version of single payer.Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .
How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .
I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.
Takes just as long with private healthcare if you get it at all..the manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.It's funny to watch conservative republicans not know how socialistic Total War was. Businesses got told by the government what they were manufacture for the war effort. No choices there.Bullshit. War socialism only harmed our ability to prosecute the war. What it did do is hide the cost of the war. Otherwise the taxpayers would have revolted.
If we relied on capitalism to fight WWII, we would have lost
Companies deciding whether or not they would produce war goods, critical supplies going to the highest bidder, workers coming and going as they pleased, companies funding their own R&D
The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.
I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.
Imagine if you had that freedom.
The freedom of waiting for a year to get a knew replacement. The freedom of waiting 6 months to get chemotherapy if you have cancer. The freedom of never receiving some kinds of treatments because the ministry of health decided that they were too expensive. The freedom of waiting 6 months to get an MRI to determine if you have a tumor in your brain.
Yeah, that's real freedom!
They also accuse a president of having a fake birth certificate.Progs demonstrate the harmful effects of socialism. They use PC and rich ideas of reality to create chaos and mind-control. They pick and choose who the Constitution applies to and when. They attack their opponents politically, economically, personally, and even have key figures in the justice dept. bent over for the cause. Same with the IRS and then some.
Next thing you know every day is opposite day. You know, like Pelosi or Abrams owned the night during the State of Address
Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .
How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .
I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.
Wrong.Takes just as long with private healthcare if you get it at all..the manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.It's funny to watch conservative republicans not know how socialistic Total War was. Businesses got told by the government what they were manufacture for the war effort. No choices there.If we relied on capitalism to fight WWII, we would have lost
Companies deciding whether or not they would produce war goods, critical supplies going to the highest bidder, workers coming and going as they pleased, companies funding their own R&D
The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.
I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.
Imagine if you had that freedom.
The freedom of waiting for a year to get a knew replacement. The freedom of waiting 6 months to get chemotherapy if you have cancer. The freedom of never receiving some kinds of treatments because the ministry of health decided that they were too expensive. The freedom of waiting 6 months to get an MRI to determine if you have a tumor in your brain.
Yeah, that's real freedom!
Thank you for that bizarre unhinged rant Dude. It seem that I've gotten to you. I'm not trying to see anyone anything. I'm just stating facts which you seem to be unable to deal with or to comment intelligently about. Then you have to throw in a red herring about the transgender issue as a smokescreen to further deflect from the topic. You are not much of a challenge to deal withuJust a few points;How’s Venezuela socialism doing?
This thread was intended to be about the USA. Bringing up Venezuela, Cuba or any other failed socialist state is just a red herring because we have little in common with them.
Secondly, no one can deny that this is a capitalist country. Corporations are making a ton of money and free enterprise is thriving and the means of production are for the most part private .
You boys get confused about this socialism thing because it is not a laissez fair system, there are regulations and controls in place in order to do things like protect consumers and workers, protect the environment and prevent reckless behavior by the banks. Don't like regulations ? Remember the crash of 2008? Remember child labor and sweat shops? Remember polluted water ways like the Hudson River?
Other things that you boys bleat about as Socialism are the social programs and anything that smacks of wealth redistribution. But social safety nets actually are essential Capitalism because, in a free market, demands for labor expand and contract so- there are times when there is excess labor- these programs keep those sidelined works alive and reasonably healthy for when they are need again .
As far as wealth redistribution goes, keep in mind that we have had a graduated income tax for a long time. It seems that you guys only started crying socialism around the time that Obama was elected. To much wealth and income inequality makes for an oligarchy and destroys democracy.
So if you want to preserve our way of life-our nation you have to rein in the greed
See post 114 and shut upThe current incarnation of the Right doesn't seem to be able to distinguish a difference between elements of socialism and total socialism.
I don't know why. I definitely have my guesses, though.
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The Right sees right past the bullshit. Begging Lefties bust their asses trying desperately to repackage socialism....Their current spin is silly...they’re calling it “elements of socialism”.
Hahaha....See, that’s what you do...you cleverly sell the “elements of socialism” that American society has finally accepted and then you follow that up with “give me more of my rich neighbors shit” disguised in other clever wording such as “wealth redistribution”.....Your diligent efforts to expand the number of “elements of socialism” is what is played the fuck out.
This all reminds me of the LGBTQ bullshit....you pitch Americans on how awesome gays are and as soon as they start to accept the twisted shit you hit them with “oh and by the way, I can choose my gender and my friend Bubba with a penis and a dress deserves the right to shit next to your 9 year old daughter”.
Sorry, your red herrings aren't working.Is government-funded education socialism or not, dipshit?I do..next...School isn't really free, never has been. Who do you think pays for the building, the teachers, the utility bills etc...
Admitting you lied is a good start to redemption.
Your question has nothing to do with the argument at hand. Nice touch with the "dipshit" remark.
Is government-funded school socialism or not?
Another great example, thanks.Translation: Talk radio has robbed you of your capacity to swallow neo-Marxist Democrat lies.Talk radio has robbed you of your capacity for nuance, assuming you ever had it to begin with.
