Hong Kong Destiny: Full Communism

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Step one in transformation to a communist dictatorship is to control the media. The CCP is on it's way in Hong Kong.



Hong Kong police’s arrest of media tycoon Jimmy Lai under the city’s new national security law has drawn condemnation from officials and activists around the world, who say the move was an attack on press freedom and snuffed out the territory’s dwindling autonomy.

Lai, a strident critic of the Chinese communist regime, was arrested on Aug. 10, along with his two sons, on allegations of collusion with foreign forces. Later that day, more than 200 police officers raided the newsroom of Lai’s newspaper Apple Daily, the largest pro-democracy outlet in the city.


Several other media and pro-democracy figures were also arrested Monday, including prominent activist Agnes Chow. Police later said 10 people—nine men and one woman—were arrested, without naming them.


Lai’s arrest “bears out the worst fears that Hong Kong’s National Security Law would be used to suppress critical pro-democracy opinion and restrict press freedom,” said Steven Butler, the Committee to Protect Journalists’ Asia program coordinator.
 
Step one in transformation to a communist dictatorship is to control the media. The CCP is on it's way in Hong Kong.



Hong Kong police’s arrest of media tycoon Jimmy Lai under the city’s new national security law has drawn condemnation from officials and activists around the world, who say the move was an attack on press freedom and snuffed out the territory’s dwindling autonomy.

Lai, a strident critic of the Chinese communist regime, was arrested on Aug. 10, along with his two sons, on allegations of collusion with foreign forces. Later that day, more than 200 police officers raided the newsroom of Lai’s newspaper Apple Daily, the largest pro-democracy outlet in the city.


Several other media and pro-democracy figures were also arrested Monday, including prominent activist Agnes Chow. Police later said 10 people—nine men and one woman—were arrested, without naming them.


Lai’s arrest “bears out the worst fears that Hong Kong’s National Security Law would be used to suppress critical pro-democracy opinion and restrict press freedom,” said Steven Butler, the Committee to Protect Journalists’ Asia program coordinator.
Sympathy for the people of Hong Kong but it is part of China and has to accept Chinese rule!
 
Step one in transformation to a communist dictatorship is to control the media. The CCP is on it's way in Hong Kong.



Hong Kong police’s arrest of media tycoon Jimmy Lai under the city’s new national security law has drawn condemnation from officials and activists around the world, who say the move was an attack on press freedom and snuffed out the territory’s dwindling autonomy.

Lai, a strident critic of the Chinese communist regime, was arrested on Aug. 10, along with his two sons, on allegations of collusion with foreign forces. Later that day, more than 200 police officers raided the newsroom of Lai’s newspaper Apple Daily, the largest pro-democracy outlet in the city.


Several other media and pro-democracy figures were also arrested Monday, including prominent activist Agnes Chow. Police later said 10 people—nine men and one woman—were arrested, without naming them.


Lai’s arrest “bears out the worst fears that Hong Kong’s National Security Law would be used to suppress critical pro-democracy opinion and restrict press freedom,” said Steven Butler, the Committee to Protect Journalists’ Asia program coordinator.
Sympathy for the people of Hong Kong but it is part of China and has to accept Chinese rule!
Refusing to accept oppressive rule is what created the United States.

Nobody has to accept Chinese rule!
 
Step one in transformation to a communist dictatorship is to control the media. The CCP is on it's way in Hong Kong.



Hong Kong police’s arrest of media tycoon Jimmy Lai under the city’s new national security law has drawn condemnation from officials and activists around the world, who say the move was an attack on press freedom and snuffed out the territory’s dwindling autonomy.

Lai, a strident critic of the Chinese communist regime, was arrested on Aug. 10, along with his two sons, on allegations of collusion with foreign forces. Later that day, more than 200 police officers raided the newsroom of Lai’s newspaper Apple Daily, the largest pro-democracy outlet in the city.


Several other media and pro-democracy figures were also arrested Monday, including prominent activist Agnes Chow. Police later said 10 people—nine men and one woman—were arrested, without naming them.


Lai’s arrest “bears out the worst fears that Hong Kong’s National Security Law would be used to suppress critical pro-democracy opinion and restrict press freedom,” said Steven Butler, the Committee to Protect Journalists’ Asia program coordinator.
Not our stinking government’s concern. We have enough trouble with government here controlling the media.
 
Step one in transformation to a communist dictatorship is to control the media. The CCP is on it's way in Hong Kong.



Hong Kong police’s arrest of media tycoon Jimmy Lai under the city’s new national security law has drawn condemnation from officials and activists around the world, who say the move was an attack on press freedom and snuffed out the territory’s dwindling autonomy.

Lai, a strident critic of the Chinese communist regime, was arrested on Aug. 10, along with his two sons, on allegations of collusion with foreign forces. Later that day, more than 200 police officers raided the newsroom of Lai’s newspaper Apple Daily, the largest pro-democracy outlet in the city.


Several other media and pro-democracy figures were also arrested Monday, including prominent activist Agnes Chow. Police later said 10 people—nine men and one woman—were arrested, without naming them.


Lai’s arrest “bears out the worst fears that Hong Kong’s National Security Law would be used to suppress critical pro-democracy opinion and restrict press freedom,” said Steven Butler, the Committee to Protect Journalists’ Asia program coordinator.
Sympathy for the people of Hong Kong but it is part of China and has to accept Chinese rule!
Refusing to accept oppressive rule is what created the United States.

Nobody has to accept Chinese rule!
Is that right?
 
Once mainland gets their hooks into them, it will be bad.
If they're going to fight, they better do it now.
The commies ruin everything anyway.
 
Step one in transformation to a communist dictatorship is to control the media. The CCP is on it's way in Hong Kong.



Hong Kong police’s arrest of media tycoon Jimmy Lai under the city’s new national security law has drawn condemnation from officials and activists around the world, who say the move was an attack on press freedom and snuffed out the territory’s dwindling autonomy.

Lai, a strident critic of the Chinese communist regime, was arrested on Aug. 10, along with his two sons, on allegations of collusion with foreign forces. Later that day, more than 200 police officers raided the newsroom of Lai’s newspaper Apple Daily, the largest pro-democracy outlet in the city.


Several other media and pro-democracy figures were also arrested Monday, including prominent activist Agnes Chow. Police later said 10 people—nine men and one woman—were arrested, without naming them.


Lai’s arrest “bears out the worst fears that Hong Kong’s National Security Law would be used to suppress critical pro-democracy opinion and restrict press freedom,” said Steven Butler, the Committee to Protect Journalists’ Asia program coordinator.
Sympathy for the people of Hong Kong but it is part of China and has to accept Chinese rule!
Refusing to accept oppressive rule is what created the United States.

Nobody has to accept Chinese rule!
Is that right?
That depends on your definition of accepting something. Accepting and being pleased with are not always the same. If you shoot at me and don't miss, I have to accept the bullet, but I won't like it.

People who have been disarmed reluctantly "accept" being ruled at the point of the government's guns. In that sense, Hong Kong does have to accept Chinese rule...or die early.
 
Step one in transformation to a communist dictatorship is to control the media. The CCP is on it's way in Hong Kong.



Hong Kong police’s arrest of media tycoon Jimmy Lai under the city’s new national security law has drawn condemnation from officials and activists around the world, who say the move was an attack on press freedom and snuffed out the territory’s dwindling autonomy.

Lai, a strident critic of the Chinese communist regime, was arrested on Aug. 10, along with his two sons, on allegations of collusion with foreign forces. Later that day, more than 200 police officers raided the newsroom of Lai’s newspaper Apple Daily, the largest pro-democracy outlet in the city.


Several other media and pro-democracy figures were also arrested Monday, including prominent activist Agnes Chow. Police later said 10 people—nine men and one woman—were arrested, without naming them.


Lai’s arrest “bears out the worst fears that Hong Kong’s National Security Law would be used to suppress critical pro-democracy opinion and restrict press freedom,” said Steven Butler, the Committee to Protect Journalists’ Asia program coordinator.
Sympathy for the people of Hong Kong but it is part of China and has to accept Chinese rule!
Refusing to accept oppressive rule is what created the United States.

Nobody has to accept Chinese rule!
Yes unfortunately they do.

Britain leased Hong Kong from China in 1947 for fifty years after which it was to be returned to China in 1997. During that period China never interfered with Britain's running of HK.
China agreed to a two systems policy for HC after Britain withdrew - they didn't have to but did so in a goodwill gesture. That is now some 23 years ago.
Part of the problem is the students themselves, demanding things that were never on the table like independence. If you bait the dragon don't be surprised if it turns and bites your head off!

During that
 
It's sad but it was pretty much inevitable.
It certainly is inevitable that “One Country, Two Systems” will terminate with full integration into China, but there are still 27 years left to that process. The handover of the old British colonial sovereignty took place in July 1997 and full integration was supposed to be a 50 year process.

As much as we may sympathize with many demands of HongKong’s protesters, the rising violence in the months before Covid-19 struck, the calls for “independence,” the waving of American & British flags by students (who are free to emigrate and many of whom plan to) was completely unwise.

The desire to prevent foreign influence from getting completely out of hand was one reason the Chinese wanted Hong Kong to push its own security law. Just as one example, a prominent “Chinese” blogger, writer and organizer — whose calls were often quoted in the Western press — turns out to be an Anglo American who apparently left the city as some recent arrests began:


A very sad situation indeed. Hopefully China will NOT crack down further, and the Hong Kong press and internet will REMAIN fairly free over the next decades, at least much more so than in China proper, but the situation certainly does not look great right now.

The value of Hong Kong to China as an open entrepôt for ideas is considerable, but HongKong was a Cantonese-speaking city where English colonial influence and anti-communist feelings of emigrants predominate, while class issues also exist, so the cultural differences with the mainland are very strong and the situation is complex. The extreme posture of some of the student leaders and the U.S. may be backfiring....
 
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Hopefully China will not crack down further, and the Hong Kong press and internet will remain fairly free over the next decades, at least much more so than in China proper, but the situation certainly does not look great right now.

No, that is not how Communist Regimes work.
A lot of people are going to suffer and many will be put to death.
 
Step one in transformation to a communist dictatorship is to control the media. The CCP is on it's way in Hong Kong.



Hong Kong police’s arrest of media tycoon Jimmy Lai under the city’s new national security law has drawn condemnation from officials and activists around the world, who say the move was an attack on press freedom and snuffed out the territory’s dwindling autonomy.

Lai, a strident critic of the Chinese communist regime, was arrested on Aug. 10, along with his two sons, on allegations of collusion with foreign forces. Later that day, more than 200 police officers raided the newsroom of Lai’s newspaper Apple Daily, the largest pro-democracy outlet in the city.


Several other media and pro-democracy figures were also arrested Monday, including prominent activist Agnes Chow. Police later said 10 people—nine men and one woman—were arrested, without naming them.


Lai’s arrest “bears out the worst fears that Hong Kong’s National Security Law would be used to suppress critical pro-democracy opinion and restrict press freedom,” said Steven Butler, the Committee to Protect Journalists’ Asia program coordinator.
Sympathy for the people of Hong Kong but it is part of China and has to accept Chinese rule!
Refusing to accept oppressive rule is what created the United States.

Nobody has to accept Chinese rule!
Is that right?
That depends on your definition of accepting something. Accepting and being pleased with are not always the same. If you shoot at me and don't miss, I have to accept the bullet, but I won't like it.

People who have been disarmed reluctantly "accept" being ruled at the point of the government's guns. In that sense, Hong Kong does have to accept Chinese rule...or die early.
China has been very lenient on Hong Kong, considering how many in America believe it to be a tyrannical and murderous regime. The Brits handed over HK long ago, yet communist China did little to change things until recently

The recent riots in HK were likely aggravated by US operators. Much has been written about this, though not in our establishment media. In the US we go crazy if a foreign power tries to influence events. We even make up stories like a Russiagate, to inflame our dumb citizens.

I find Americans bitching about tyrannical actions by foreign governments, laughable. Our own government is pretty good at this too, but gets little criticism in the corporate media.
 
We even make up stories like a Russiagate, to inflame our dumb citizens.
The only thing made up about Russiagate is that Trump colluded with them. It was actually Bitchillary and the DNC that did. Naturally they accused Trump of what they were doing. It's the liberal way!
 
I visited Hong Kong while in the Navy- in the late 60's. Got a pretty neat set of "whites" made of gabardine there and a cool pair of cowboy boots- hand made to fit. The whites and the boots. I also bought a guitar there and saw Bonnie and Clyde (for the first time) in a theater there. I didn't care for their food and the street dwellers made some god-awful foul smelling food. We were treated almost like royalty by a tailor who got our (there were 5 or 6 of us) business- I had a picture of us at the restaurant where we had an 8 course meal paid for by the tailor. I gave the picture to my best friends daughter when he died because he was in it.
We were "warned" to not go to Kowloon across the bay as it was hard to not enter Communist China by just going on the wrong street- I didn't but I knew some people who did- and they came back okay.
Chinese people are like Americans in that most of them just live their life one day at a time- hoping for the best.
Governments start wars, usually. They use fear to sell the idea to citizens. This may be the opposite with "students" as the spear head, but, it is still one inflicting their will on others.
This whole "communist" thing here, in the US, is blown way out of proportion- and since been since the end of ww2- China is a problem? Communism? Look inward-

China is not our problem and neither was Japan- or any othe orther countless wars we've poked our nose into- WE ARE OUR OWN PROBLEM and pointing a finger at someone else means three fingers are pointing back at the pointer- if the citizens want our help, pay for it- not just with money but with lives and ASK - do not demand on the world stage trying to start shit you can't finish.
 
Yes unfortunately they do.

Britain leased Hong Kong from China in 1947 for fifty years after which it was to be returned to China in 1997. During that period China never interfered with Britain's running of HK.
China agreed to a two systems policy for HC after Britain withdrew - they didn't have to but did so in a goodwill gesture. That is now some 23 years ago.
Part of the problem is the students themselves, demanding things that were never on the table like independence. If you bait the dragon don't be surprised if it turns and bites your head off!
That was a deal between the tea-sipping Brits and the Chinese Commies. Hong Kong did not make such a deal. Hong Kong is not obligated to accept ChiCom rule.

It's worth going to war to settle for Hong Kong folks.
 
It's worth going to war to settle for Hong Kong folks.
Well, tough guy, why don’t you get on your bicycle, throw your AR-15 over your shoulder, and peddle on over to Hong Kong...

I assure you there are a billion or so Chinese who would be willing to meet you. If you want a fair fight, they may even come riding their bicycles, happy to see you try to “Come and Take It.”

Maybe you expect to hitch a ride on one of several aircraft carriers that Trump will send there to invade? It ain’t goin to happen, bud. It would make no difference anyway, except to show the U.S. is as insane as you are. The U.S. would end up with a few less navy ships, and the U.S. with one less bicyclist.

P.S. I used to ride my bike every day in Beijing!


:banana2:

A nice bike like yours ... better get a good lock! :bye1:
 

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