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Hitler was not a Socialist.

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Hitter was a fascist. Why is that even up for discussion?

Because fascism is far right, and the right wing see the word "right" and get nervous about it, so they try and pretend he's far left in order to make it look like the left is dangerous.

It's pretty emotional politics.

The reality is far-left and far-right are much closer to each other than far-left is to left and far-right is to right. But then the average person doesn't know and is easily manipulated with this emotional crap.
Far right? Oh you mean anything religious is considered far right even though its a religious leftist group. Like muslim terrorists are considered FAR right---because they are religious. Musolina and his fascists were leftists. The Nazis were leftist socialists as well that believed in god.

No, that's not what I mean.

What's the difference between far-right and far-left?

Nationalism is considered right, rather than left.

Germany wanted a Germanic nationalistic nation.
The USSR wasn't really concerned with nationalism. People are people. Stalin was from Georgia, didn't matter. All people are equal (though not necessarily in a good way).

The idea on the far-right is that the label people have from ethnicity, nationality, gender and yes, even religion. Which is why religious fanatics get put on the right of the political spectrum.

On the far-left it's about forcing people to be "equal", forcing people to be "fair", only their idea of "equal" and "fair" often go against human nature. Which is why people find it extreme.

Either way, both sides end up having to force people into their ideas, the reason they're "far-" is because they're considered by most to be extreme. The center of politics is the least extreme. That's why it's the center (and it's not fixed, it can be different in different places).
People who care about their nation are FAR RIGHT? So the Romans were FAR RIGHT....and Venzuelea is FAR right under this defination.

Far left is not about being FAIR hun----------FAR FAR FAR FROM it. Leftists take from others using mob rule tactic via promises to give these stolen spoils to their useful idiots to gain their support----but in reality it really is about making the Leftist leaders richer and more powerful who manage to funnel the stolen money/goods from the working into their own pockets. Hence, how Hitler and Stalins leaders became so rich as their nations got poorer and poorer. . They were just taking from the working middle class to give to poor and by poor they meant themselves.

People on the far right will say they care about their nation.
People on the far left will say they care about the people in that nation.

Either side can throw simple one liners at each other. I don't need you do it too.

As for the Romans and Venezuela being far-right, the issue is that far-left and far-right will often manifest itself in similar ways. The thing that differentiates the two is the ideology behind that.

Xi in China is supposedly "Communist", more "Socialist" but has a lot of right wing tendencies.

Maduro in Venezuela is just incompetent. His ideology is left wing, but he's mess up anything he does. The Romans were in a time before left and right even existed. But yes, they were much further on the right than the left.

I put "fair" in quotation marks for a reason. They think it's fair. That's the point.

But Hitler and Stalin, like Maduro, Xi, Castro and many others are more than just about themselves. They want to be the one to make it happen, they like the power, they like the money, but they're not in it just for themselves.
They are/were all in it for themselves-----------this is ALWAYS how the lefts socialists/communists are. Always have been--

I disagree. I've found that a lot of people on the left will have a sense of what they consider fair. The selfish side is more the right side.

I'm kind of center left, I want a society that isn't selfish, but I also understand that human nature is human nature.

The left want to FORCE people to go against human nature. The right want to force people to fit some kind of view of what humans should be from the ethnic, racial, religious mold.

Far-left and far-right are more FAR- than they are left or right, we use left and right there to distinguish the differences.

But the problem always comes with INDIVIDUALS that people like Xi, like Maduro, like Stalin, is that they're also looking out for their own careers. But then the same for Hitler, Mussolini, Franco etc.

It's not a black and white thing. These people weren't simple selfish people looking out for themselves and themselves only. They had ideologies, they wanted to mold the world into their image too.
 

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Hitter was a fascist. Why is that even up for discussion?

Because fascism is far right, and the right wing see the word "right" and get nervous about it, so they try and pretend he's far left in order to make it look like the left is dangerous.

It's pretty emotional politics.

The reality is far-left and far-right are much closer to each other than far-left is to left and far-right is to right. But then the average person doesn't know and is easily manipulated with this emotional crap.
Far right? Oh you mean anything religious is considered far right even though its a religious leftist group. Like muslim terrorists are considered FAR right---because they are religious. Musolina and his fascists were leftists. The Nazis were leftist socialists as well that believed in god.

No, that's not what I mean.

What's the difference between far-right and far-left?

Nationalism is considered right, rather than left.

Germany wanted a Germanic nationalistic nation.
The USSR wasn't really concerned with nationalism. People are people. Stalin was from Georgia, didn't matter. All people are equal (though not necessarily in a good way).

The idea on the far-right is that the label people have from ethnicity, nationality, gender and yes, even religion. Which is why religious fanatics get put on the right of the political spectrum.

On the far-left it's about forcing people to be "equal", forcing people to be "fair", only their idea of "equal" and "fair" often go against human nature. Which is why people find it extreme.

Either way, both sides end up having to force people into their ideas, the reason they're "far-" is because they're considered by most to be extreme. The center of politics is the least extreme. That's why it's the center (and it's not fixed, it can be different in different places).







Try thinking for a moment. One side of the political spectrum is totalitarian dictatorship. The other side is no government at all. Anarchy. That is your political spectrum.

Thus ANY collectivist government, of any name...is LEFTIST. The only question is how bad are they.
Both sides can be totalitarian dictatorships-----------the LEFT is more so than the RIGHT now. Hitler, Mussolina, Stalin and all the others proved this. The LEFT to be more specific is all for GROWING THE GOVERNMENT and seizing power for itself hence why government gets bigger and bigger under dems with power becoming more centralized around Washington away from states and local governments. Anarchy is just a means to an end to gain power---it is easier to seize unlawful power when there is chaos running the streets as in this case leftist leaders work behind the scenes while all are focused on the chaos to gain more and more power.
 

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Hitter was a fascist. Why is that even up for discussion?

Because fascism is far right, and the right wing see the word "right" and get nervous about it, so they try and pretend he's far left in order to make it look like the left is dangerous.

It's pretty emotional politics.

The reality is far-left and far-right are much closer to each other than far-left is to left and far-right is to right. But then the average person doesn't know and is easily manipulated with this emotional crap.
Far right? Oh you mean anything religious is considered far right even though its a religious leftist group. Like muslim terrorists are considered FAR right---because they are religious. Musolina and his fascists were leftists. The Nazis were leftist socialists as well that believed in god.

No, that's not what I mean.

What's the difference between far-right and far-left?

Nationalism is considered right, rather than left.

Germany wanted a Germanic nationalistic nation.
The USSR wasn't really concerned with nationalism. People are people. Stalin was from Georgia, didn't matter. All people are equal (though not necessarily in a good way).

The idea on the far-right is that the label people have from ethnicity, nationality, gender and yes, even religion. Which is why religious fanatics get put on the right of the political spectrum.

On the far-left it's about forcing people to be "equal", forcing people to be "fair", only their idea of "equal" and "fair" often go against human nature. Which is why people find it extreme.

Either way, both sides end up having to force people into their ideas, the reason they're "far-" is because they're considered by most to be extreme. The center of politics is the least extreme. That's why it's the center (and it's not fixed, it can be different in different places).







Try thinking for a moment. One side of the political spectrum is totalitarian dictatorship. The other side is no government at all. Anarchy. That is your political spectrum.

Thus ANY collectivist government, of any name...is LEFTIST. The only question is how bad are they.
Both sides can be totalitarian dictatorships-----------the LEFT is more so than the RIGHT now. Hitler, Mussolina, Stalin and all the others proved this. The LEFT to be more specific is all for GROWING THE GOVERNMENT and seizing power for itself hence why government gets bigger and bigger under dems with power becoming more centralized around Washington away from states and local governments. Anarchy is just a means to an end to gain power---it is easier to seize unlawful power when there is chaos running the streets as in this case leftist leaders work behind the scenes while all are focused on the chaos to gain more and more power.

Well, I'd say each individual dictatorship is different to any other. How extreme they are isn't dependent on the label you give, but in the personalities.

The US govt gets bigger under Republicans and Democrats. The difference is the Republicans say they're against it getting bigger.
 
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Hitter was a fascist. Why is that even up for discussion?

Because fascism is far right, and the right wing see the word "right" and get nervous about it, so they try and pretend he's far left in order to make it look like the left is dangerous.

It's pretty emotional politics.

The reality is far-left and far-right are much closer to each other than far-left is to left and far-right is to right. But then the average person doesn't know and is easily manipulated with this emotional crap.
Far right? Oh you mean anything religious is considered far right even though its a religious leftist group. Like muslim terrorists are considered FAR right---because they are religious. Musolina and his fascists were leftists. The Nazis were leftist socialists as well that believed in god.

No, that's not what I mean.

What's the difference between far-right and far-left?

Nationalism is considered right, rather than left.

Germany wanted a Germanic nationalistic nation.
The USSR wasn't really concerned with nationalism. People are people. Stalin was from Georgia, didn't matter. All people are equal (though not necessarily in a good way).

The idea on the far-right is that the label people have from ethnicity, nationality, gender and yes, even religion. Which is why religious fanatics get put on the right of the political spectrum.

On the far-left it's about forcing people to be "equal", forcing people to be "fair", only their idea of "equal" and "fair" often go against human nature. Which is why people find it extreme.

Either way, both sides end up having to force people into their ideas, the reason they're "far-" is because they're considered by most to be extreme. The center of politics is the least extreme. That's why it's the center (and it's not fixed, it can be different in different places).
People who care about their nation are FAR RIGHT? So the Romans were FAR RIGHT....and Venzuelea is FAR right under this defination.

Far left is not about being FAIR hun----------FAR FAR FAR FROM it. Leftists take from others using mob rule tactic via promises to give these stolen spoils to their useful idiots to gain their support----but in reality it really is about making the Leftist leaders richer and more powerful who manage to funnel the stolen money/goods from the working into their own pockets. Hence, how Hitler and Stalins leaders became so rich as their nations got poorer and poorer. . They were just taking from the working middle class to give to poor and by poor they meant themselves.

People on the far right will say they care about their nation.
People on the far left will say they care about the people in that nation.

Either side can throw simple one liners at each other. I don't need you do it too.

As for the Romans and Venezuela being far-right, the issue is that far-left and far-right will often manifest itself in similar ways. The thing that differentiates the two is the ideology behind that.

Xi in China is supposedly "Communist", more "Socialist" but has a lot of right wing tendencies.

Maduro in Venezuela is just incompetent. His ideology is left wing, but he's mess up anything he does. The Romans were in a time before left and right even existed. But yes, they were much further on the right than the left.

I put "fair" in quotation marks for a reason. They think it's fair. That's the point.

But Hitler and Stalin, like Maduro, Xi, Castro and many others are more than just about themselves. They want to be the one to make it happen, they like the power, they like the money, but they're not in it just for themselves.
They are/were all in it for themselves-----------this is ALWAYS how the lefts socialists/communists are. Always have been--

I disagree. I've found that a lot of people on the left will have a sense of what they consider fair. The selfish side is more the right side.

I'm kind of center left, I want a society that isn't selfish, but I also understand that human nature is human nature.

The left want to FORCE people to go against human nature. The right want to force people to fit some kind of view of what humans should be from the ethnic, racial, religious mold.

Far-left and far-right are more FAR- than they are left or right, we use left and right there to distinguish the differences.

But the problem always comes with INDIVIDUALS that people like Xi, like Maduro, like Stalin, is that they're also looking out for their own careers. But then the same for Hitler, Mussolini, Franco etc.

It's not a black and white thing. These people weren't simple selfish people looking out for themselves and themselves only. They had ideologies, they wanted to mold the world into their image too.

The Republican party stands for family values and that old time religion.

Quoting you: "The left want to FORCE people to go against human nature. The right want to force people to fit some kind of view of what humans should be from the ethnic, racial, religious mold. "
 

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It is ridiculous in any case to which side one places Hitler, or Stalin or Mao for that matter. They should only ever serve as examples of how not to be. Those who are afraid that these horrendous failures as human beings will be associated with their "side" must not recognize that both these "sides" as so guilty of so much that no thinking person would choose either. It is precisely this human tendency to extreme duality that has condemned our race to constant sorrow. The truly great men have tried to teach us to get beyond our woeful shortcomings. They have been regularly disregarded and often assassinated. Go ahead and identify as "left" or "right" and continue to be wrong.
 
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It is ridiculous in any case to which side one places Hitler, or Stalin or Mao for that matter. They should only ever serve as examples of how not to be. Those who are afraid that these horrendous failures as human beings will be associated with their "side" must not recognize that both these "sides" as so guilty of so much that no thinking person would choose either. It is precisely this human tendency to extreme duality that has condemned our race to constant sorrow. The truly great men have tried to teach us to get beyond our woeful shortcomings. They have been regularly disregarded and often assassinated. Go ahead and identify as "left" or "right" and continue to be wrong.

The right's latest gambit in a strictly political slur is to reinvent Hitler as a Socialist and a Democrat yet Hitler purged Socialists, Democrats, Communists and Jews with the Enabling Act of 1933.
 

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Hitter was a fascist. Why is that even up for discussion?

Because fascism is far right, and the right wing see the word "right" and get nervous about it, so they try and pretend he's far left in order to make it look like the left is dangerous.

It's pretty emotional politics.

The reality is far-left and far-right are much closer to each other than far-left is to left and far-right is to right. But then the average person doesn't know and is easily manipulated with this emotional crap.
Far right? Oh you mean anything religious is considered far right even though its a religious leftist group. Like muslim terrorists are considered FAR right---because they are religious. Musolina and his fascists were leftists. The Nazis were leftist socialists as well that believed in god.

No, that's not what I mean.

What's the difference between far-right and far-left?

Nationalism is considered right, rather than left.

Germany wanted a Germanic nationalistic nation.
The USSR wasn't really concerned with nationalism. People are people. Stalin was from Georgia, didn't matter. All people are equal (though not necessarily in a good way).

The idea on the far-right is that the label people have from ethnicity, nationality, gender and yes, even religion. Which is why religious fanatics get put on the right of the political spectrum.

On the far-left it's about forcing people to be "equal", forcing people to be "fair", only their idea of "equal" and "fair" often go against human nature. Which is why people find it extreme.

Either way, both sides end up having to force people into their ideas, the reason they're "far-" is because they're considered by most to be extreme. The center of politics is the least extreme. That's why it's the center (and it's not fixed, it can be different in different places).







Try thinking for a moment. One side of the political spectrum is totalitarian dictatorship. The other side is no government at all. Anarchy. That is your political spectrum.

Thus ANY collectivist government, of any name...is LEFTIST. The only question is how bad are they.
Both sides can be totalitarian dictatorships-----------the LEFT is more so than the RIGHT now. Hitler, Mussolina, Stalin and all the others proved this. The LEFT to be more specific is all for GROWING THE GOVERNMENT and seizing power for itself hence why government gets bigger and bigger under dems with power becoming more centralized around Washington away from states and local governments. Anarchy is just a means to an end to gain power---it is easier to seize unlawful power when there is chaos running the streets as in this case leftist leaders work behind the scenes while all are focused on the chaos to gain more and more power.






There can't be left and right totalitarianism. A government is either collectivist, or individualistic. The scale is merely how collectivist is it.

The Fabian Socialists have been working for years to manufacture this left right fiction. They don't care what a government type is called, if a collectivist government takes over, they win regardless.
 
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Hitter was a fascist. Why is that even up for discussion?

Because fascism is far right, and the right wing see the word "right" and get nervous about it, so they try and pretend he's far left in order to make it look like the left is dangerous.

It's pretty emotional politics.

The reality is far-left and far-right are much closer to each other than far-left is to left and far-right is to right. But then the average person doesn't know and is easily manipulated with this emotional crap.
Far right? Oh you mean anything religious is considered far right even though its a religious leftist group. Like muslim terrorists are considered FAR right---because they are religious. Musolina and his fascists were leftists. The Nazis were leftist socialists as well that believed in god.

No, that's not what I mean.

What's the difference between far-right and far-left?

Nationalism is considered right, rather than left.

Germany wanted a Germanic nationalistic nation.
The USSR wasn't really concerned with nationalism. People are people. Stalin was from Georgia, didn't matter. All people are equal (though not necessarily in a good way).

The idea on the far-right is that the label people have from ethnicity, nationality, gender and yes, even religion. Which is why religious fanatics get put on the right of the political spectrum.

On the far-left it's about forcing people to be "equal", forcing people to be "fair", only their idea of "equal" and "fair" often go against human nature. Which is why people find it extreme.

Either way, both sides end up having to force people into their ideas, the reason they're "far-" is because they're considered by most to be extreme. The center of politics is the least extreme. That's why it's the center (and it's not fixed, it can be different in different places).







Try thinking for a moment. One side of the political spectrum is totalitarian dictatorship. The other side is no government at all. Anarchy. That is your political spectrum.

Thus ANY collectivist government, of any name...is LEFTIST. The only question is how bad are they.
Both sides can be totalitarian dictatorships-----------the LEFT is more so than the RIGHT now. Hitler, Mussolina, Stalin and all the others proved this. The LEFT to be more specific is all for GROWING THE GOVERNMENT and seizing power for itself hence why government gets bigger and bigger under dems with power becoming more centralized around Washington away from states and local governments. Anarchy is just a means to an end to gain power---it is easier to seize unlawful power when there is chaos running the streets as in this case leftist leaders work behind the scenes while all are focused on the chaos to gain more and more power.






There can't be left and right totalitarianism. A government is either collectivist, or individualistic. The scale is merely how collectivist is it.

The Fabian Socialists have been working for years to manufacture this left right fiction. They don't care what a government type is called, if a collectivist government takes over, they win regardless.

Collectivist like the police, fire department, public schools?
 

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I would like to see this error settled and I invite anyone who is educated in Modern European history to step in and help.

Hitler was a fascist, sort of like many of your Democratic masters. He certainly wasn't a free-market capitalist.
 

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Hitter was a fascist. Why is that even up for discussion?

Because fascism is far right, and the right wing see the word "right" and get nervous about it, so they try and pretend he's far left in order to make it look like the left is dangerous.

It's pretty emotional politics.

The reality is far-left and far-right are much closer to each other than far-left is to left and far-right is to right. But then the average person doesn't know and is easily manipulated with this emotional crap.
Far right? Oh you mean anything religious is considered far right even though its a religious leftist group. Like muslim terrorists are considered FAR right---because they are religious. Musolina and his fascists were leftists. The Nazis were leftist socialists as well that believed in god.

No, that's not what I mean.

What's the difference between far-right and far-left?

Nationalism is considered right, rather than left.

Germany wanted a Germanic nationalistic nation.
The USSR wasn't really concerned with nationalism. People are people. Stalin was from Georgia, didn't matter. All people are equal (though not necessarily in a good way).

The idea on the far-right is that the label people have from ethnicity, nationality, gender and yes, even religion. Which is why religious fanatics get put on the right of the political spectrum.

On the far-left it's about forcing people to be "equal", forcing people to be "fair", only their idea of "equal" and "fair" often go against human nature. Which is why people find it extreme.

Either way, both sides end up having to force people into their ideas, the reason they're "far-" is because they're considered by most to be extreme. The center of politics is the least extreme. That's why it's the center (and it's not fixed, it can be different in different places).







Try thinking for a moment. One side of the political spectrum is totalitarian dictatorship. The other side is no government at all. Anarchy. That is your political spectrum.

Thus ANY collectivist government, of any name...is LEFTIST. The only question is how bad are they.
Both sides can be totalitarian dictatorships-----------the LEFT is more so than the RIGHT now. Hitler, Mussolina, Stalin and all the others proved this. The LEFT to be more specific is all for GROWING THE GOVERNMENT and seizing power for itself hence why government gets bigger and bigger under dems with power becoming more centralized around Washington away from states and local governments. Anarchy is just a means to an end to gain power---it is easier to seize unlawful power when there is chaos running the streets as in this case leftist leaders work behind the scenes while all are focused on the chaos to gain more and more power.






There can't be left and right totalitarianism. A government is either collectivist, or individualistic. The scale is merely how collectivist is it.

The Fabian Socialists have been working for years to manufacture this left right fiction. They don't care what a government type is called, if a collectivist government takes over, they win regardless.

Collectivist like the police, fire department, public schools?







Yes. Exactly like that. The only question is how oppressive the collectivist government is.
 

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People like the OP who deny the atrocities of SOCIALIST FASCISM should be chained to a wall, in the bowels of a dark cave...and left there....for life.

Otherwise, his type works to bring fascism and human suffering to all willfully or through utter ignorance.
 

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People like the OP who deny the atrocities of SOCIALIST FASCISM should be chained to a wall, in the bowels of a dark cave...and left there....for life.

Otherwise, his type works to bring fascism and human suffering to all willfully or through utter ignorance.





For once you are correct.
 

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Hitler was a corporatist and a Fascist.

Hitler was a "corporatist" in the sense that corporations were required to do his bidding or their directors would be sent to concentration camps. It's sort of like how the Democratic Party attacks corporations that don't goose-step to their ideology while rewarding those that do.
 

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I know Hitler courted the Industrialists and provided them with free labor.

Yea, and any "industrialists" that didn't want to play ball either had to leave or go to a concentration camp. You don't actually believe that corporate leaders had the option to tell Hitler "no", do you?
 

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The right's latest gambit in a strictly political slur is to reinvent Hitler as a Socialist and a Democrat yet Hitler purged Socialists, Democrats, Communists and Jews with the Enabling Act of 1933.

Where the hell do ignorant people get this madness?
There are SOME White Supremacists and there are SOME Black Supremacists. Neither side has a patent on it, and it certainly does NOT define either side.
Yeah, millions of Conservatives go to Church on Sunday and get their ministers to preach about Fascism and White Power.
Fools like you NEVER deserve freedom.....because your ignorance makes you use it to destroy freedom.

I've said it before....The Constitutions biggest flaw was providing freedom for all. MANY do not deserve and cannot handle freedom.
The Constitution should have provided the means TO EARN FREEDOM. Granting total freedom to those PROVING they understand and respect it fully.

Oh, right...they listen to CNN and MSNBC and swallow it without question 24/7
 
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Hitler and the German Labor Front wanted government involvement in private industry, so they launched Volkswagen. Ferdinand Porsche designed it, but I don't think he was a Nazi. He was very reputable, though, and Volkswagen became one of few socialist projects that had broad appeal.

After WWII, the Allies rebuilt Volkswagen, and the car became a best seller. Imagine how poorly it would have done had it remained under government control.
 

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Imagine how poorly it would have done had it remained under government control.

Had Germany remained under leftist control, it might never have been built.
 

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The right's latest gambit in a strictly political slur is to reinvent Hitler as a Socialist

To be fair, the left did it first.

So, in your own words, Hitler was a Socialist with nationalist frosting on top?
 

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Hitler and the German Labor Front wanted government involvement in private industry, so they launched Volkswagen. Ferdinand Porsche designed it, but I don't think he was a Nazi. He was very reputable, though, and Volkswagen became one of few socialist projects that had broad appeal.

After WWII, the Allies rebuilt Volkswagen, and the car became a best seller. Imagine how poorly it would have done had it remained under government control.

Imagine how poorly it would have done had it remained under government control.

You don't have to imagine.....look at the Trabant.
 

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