High Schools no longer teach history...

[koshergrl]

It's all "social studies" and "Language Arts" instead of "English" and "History".

You get one guess as to why....

That's right, nationalized, state-funded *education*. The best way in the world to insure the spread of communism and collective ignorance.

I pulled my children out of traditional public education this year. Now I'm trying to find a decent charter school for them. It's been a daunting task. I finally found one charter school that does teach high school English in ADDITION TO Language Arts...presumably "Language Arts" is a requirement...

But still no history.

And they rarely use the term "education" in their mission statements. All the mission statements are about "citizenship" and "community" and "work force". Fucking creepy.

 

[BlackFlag]

Lies of course

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'm offended that I didn't learn about Polish king Jan III Sobieski saving Europe at the Battle of Vienna, but had to sit through pages of "Russian Kings, and Queens"

I'm offended that I didn't learn about Polish generals Kosciuszko, and Pulaski, but learned that Black Crispus Attucks, was the first killed in the American Revolutionary War.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I'm offended that I didn't learn about Polish king Jan III Sobieski saving Europe at the Battle of Vienna, but had to sit through pages of "Russian Kings, and Queens"

I'm offended that I didn't learn about Polish generals Kosciuszko, and Pulaski, but learned that Black Crispus Attucks, was the first killed in the American Revolutionary War.

Hmm, How far from Pulaski are you?

 

[williepete]

Schools have become Orwellian indoctrination centers.

My wife and I enjoy talking to young people. As a history nut, I like to ask them what they are learning from their history lessons. About half the time, all I get for an answer is a blank stare. Other times, the high school kids tell me they don't have history classes--just social studies.

"You can't make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society, which is coming, where everyone is interdependent."

"The battle for mankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom . The classroom must and will become the arena of conflict between the old and the new . the rotting corpse of Christianity and the new faith of humanism."

--John Dewey, "the father of modern education,"

Why Our Schools Teach Socialism -- September 2001 Education Reporter

 

[rightwinger]

It's all "social studies" and "Language Arts" instead of "English" and "History".

You get one guess as to why....

That's right, nationalized, state-funded *education*. The best way in the world to insure the spread of communism and collective ignorance.

I pulled my children out of traditional public education this year. Now I'm trying to find a decent charter school for them. It's been a daunting task. I finally found one charter school that does teach high school English in ADDITION TO Language Arts...presumably "Language Arts" is a requirement...

But still no history.

And they rarely use the term "education" in their mission statements. All the mission statements are about "citizenship" and "community" and "work force". Fucking creepy.

I graduated High School over 40 years ago and we called it Social Studies

Doesn't mean we didn't learn history but that we had to look at history in terms of it's relevance to the society at the time and how it impacted the society of today

We did have "English" but never actually learned English. Most of us already spoke it

 

[MisterBeale]

If you have never heard of John Gatto, look him up.

He is the foremost expert on education and reversing the process.



An Underground History of
American Education

 

[Syriusly]

It's all "social studies" and "Language Arts" instead of "English" and "History".

You get one guess as to why....

That's right, nationalized, state-funded *education*. The best way in the world to insure the spread of communism and collective ignorance.

I pulled my children out of traditional public education this year. Now I'm trying to find a decent charter school for them. It's been a daunting task. I finally found one charter school that does teach high school English in ADDITION TO Language Arts...presumably "Language Arts" is a requirement...

But still no history.

And they rarely use the term "education" in their mission statements. All the mission statements are about "citizenship" and "community" and "work force". Fucking creepy.

My daughter just graduated from public High School
With top honors in AP English and History, along with Economics and Government.

You just live in a podunk public school system.

 

[Syriusly]

Schools have become Orwellian indoctrination centers.

My wife and I enjoy talking to young people. As a history nut, I like to ask them what they are learning from their history lessons. About half the time, all I get for an answer is a blank stare. Other times, the high school kids tell me they don't have history classes--just social studies.

"You can't make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society, which is coming, where everyone is interdependent."

"The battle for mankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom . The classroom must and will become the arena of conflict between the old and the new . the rotting corpse of Christianity and the new faith of humanism."

--John Dewey, "the father of modern education,"

Why Our Schools Teach Socialism -- September 2001 Education Reporter

Favorite teacher- and class most in demand at my daughter's high school is AP American History.

Because the teacher is fantastic- and the kids love to learn about history.

I don't doubt that this is happening in some schools- but not at ours- and we have great discussions about history.

Frankly my daughter can discuss history better than most Americans.

 

[OldLady]

Schools have become Orwellian indoctrination centers.

My wife and I enjoy talking to young people. As a history nut, I like to ask them what they are learning from their history lessons. About half the time, all I get for an answer is a blank stare. Other times, the high school kids tell me they don't have history classes--just social studies.

"You can't make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society, which is coming, where everyone is interdependent."

"The battle for mankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom . The classroom must and will become the arena of conflict between the old and the new . the rotting corpse of Christianity and the new faith of humanism."

--John Dewey, "the father of modern education,"

Why Our Schools Teach Socialism -- September 2001 Education Reporter

Okay, well look at the adult populace we've got now. They were ignorant enough to put Donald Trump in the WH and look at the fine minds that post here. A change in the curriculum was in order.

 

[williepete]

Favorite teacher- and class most in demand at my daughter's high school is AP American History.

Because the teacher is fantastic- and the kids love to learn about history.

So great to read this. This is how I got hooked into what has become a life long interest in history. Most of my history classes had all been memorizing dates and names. Very boring for a young mind. Then, like your daughter, I encountered a gifted teacher who brought history alive. I was fortunate to have a few more. Once the bug took hold, I took over and dove into my research.

Please pass on my gratitude, congratulations and encouragement to this teacher if you see him/her again. We need an army of them.

 

[mgh80]

The official titles of the classes I teach are "English II" and "English III Honors". Just saying.

 

[Disir]

It's all "social studies" and "Language Arts" instead of "English" and "History".

You get one guess as to why....

That's right, nationalized, state-funded *education*. The best way in the world to insure the spread of communism and collective ignorance.

I pulled my children out of traditional public education this year. Now I'm trying to find a decent charter school for them. It's been a daunting task. I finally found one charter school that does teach high school English in ADDITION TO Language Arts...presumably "Language Arts" is a requirement...

But still no history.

And they rarely use the term "education" in their mission statements. All the mission statements are about "citizenship" and "community" and "work force". Fucking creepy.

I've never heard of that. My son is in high school and there are 2 semesters of American history and world history that are mandatory. There is also a course on African American history and one on Native American history. He is livid there are only 2 years of Spanish and he does not feel that this is adequate for a foreign language. He also is not pleased there are only 2 languages to choose from here.

Heck, his freshman year he was in Mock Trial, participated in writing legislation, helped design and build a robot and was asked to help write the curriculum and teach a group of elementary students robotics.

So, for all the things that are said about public schools...it seems to be going pretty well.

Perhaps it's a state issue?

 

[regent]

What would we call a social science history class that fails to teach the science part of history and teaches only the past?

 

[baileyn45]

It's all "social studies" and "Language Arts" instead of "English" and "History".

You get one guess as to why....

That's right, nationalized, state-funded *education*. The best way in the world to insure the spread of communism and collective ignorance.

I pulled my children out of traditional public education this year. Now I'm trying to find a decent charter school for them. It's been a daunting task. I finally found one charter school that does teach high school English in ADDITION TO Language Arts...presumably "Language Arts" is a requirement...

But still no history.

And they rarely use the term "education" in their mission statements. All the mission statements are about "citizenship" and "community" and "work force". Fucking creepy.

I've never heard of that. My son is in high school and there are 2 semesters of American history and world history that are mandatory. There is also a course on African American history and one on Native American history. He is livid there are only 2 years of Spanish and he does not feel that this is adequate for a foreign language. He also is not pleased there are only 2 languages to choose from here.

Heck, his freshman year he was in Mock Trial, participated in writing legislation, helped design and build a robot and was asked to help write the curriculum and teach a group of elementary students robotics.

So, for all the things that are said about public schools...it seems to be going pretty well.

Perhaps it's a state issue?

I believe it's even more mixed than a state issue. The suburb I grew up in has phenomenal schools. Literally cross one street and you are in Cleveland and they are horrid. It's been that way for 50 years and no matter what has been tried it never changes. I sometimes think part of it is discipline oriented. The suburban school has always been no nonsense, when I was there we had almost 4000 students and damned if it wasn't impossible to cut class without getting busted. It's not as big now but I'm told it's just as strict.

One thing the suburban school does that seems to have gone away at many others schools is a strong vocational program, everything from auto mechanics, business program and a pre-premed program. Perhaps that catches the attention of students that aren't interested in pursuing a purely scholastic future. At this time one of the foreign language offered is Chinese, I'm not sure which, I think I remember Mandarin. When I was there my brother learned Russian.

I do have to say that while it's not a particularly wealthy town it is densely populated and has quite high taxes. I have to give them credit though the city services are excellent.

 

[koshergrl]

It's all "social studies" and "Language Arts" instead of "English" and "History".

You get one guess as to why....

That's right, nationalized, state-funded *education*. The best way in the world to insure the spread of communism and collective ignorance.

I pulled my children out of traditional public education this year. Now I'm trying to find a decent charter school for them. It's been a daunting task. I finally found one charter school that does teach high school English in ADDITION TO Language Arts...presumably "Language Arts" is a requirement...

But still no history.

And they rarely use the term "education" in their mission statements. All the mission statements are about "citizenship" and "community" and "work force". Fucking creepy.

I've never heard of that. My son is in high school and there are 2 semesters of American history and world history that are mandatory. There is also a course on African American history and one on Native American history. He is livid there are only 2 years of Spanish and he does not feel that this is adequate for a foreign language. He also is not pleased there are only 2 languages to choose from here.

Heck, his freshman year he was in Mock Trial, participated in writing legislation, helped design and build a robot and was asked to help write the curriculum and teach a group of elementary students robotics.

So, for all the things that are said about public schools...it seems to be going pretty well.

Perhaps it's a state issue?

I believe it's even more mixed than a state issue. The suburb I grew up in has phenomenal schools. Literally cross one street and you are in Cleveland and they are horrid. It's been that way for 50 years and no matter what has been tried it never changes. I sometimes think part of it is discipline oriented. The suburban school has always been no nonsense, when I was there we had almost 4000 students and damned if it wasn't impossible to cut class without getting busted. It's not as big now but I'm told it's just as strict.

One thing the suburban school does that seems to have gone away at many others schools is a strong vocational program, everything from auto mechanics, business program and a pre-premed program. Perhaps that catches the attention of students that aren't interested in pursuing a purely scholastic future. At this time one of the foreign language offered is Chinese, I'm not sure which, I think I remember Mandarin. When I was there my brother learned Russian.

I do have to say that while it's not a particularly wealthy town it is densely populated and has quite high taxes. I have to give them credit though the city services are excellent.

No, you're pretty much wrong on all accounts.

Oregon has one of the highest rates in the country, and some of the worst performing schools. The schools that rake in the most bucks, have the worst performance.

I was looking at schools yesterday in Oregon. One had history on the curriculum. The same school had actual "English". That was the only school that had those subjects offered.

 

[Syriusly]

Favorite teacher- and class most in demand at my daughter's high school is AP American History.

Because the teacher is fantastic- and the kids love to learn about history.

So great to read this. This is how I got hooked into what has become a life long interest in history. Most of my history classes had all been memorizing dates and names. Very boring for a young mind. Then, like your daughter, I encountered a gifted teacher who brought history alive. I was fortunate to have a few more. Once the bug took hold, I took over and dove into my research.

Please pass on my gratitude, congratulations and encouragement to this teacher if you see him/her again. We need an army of them.

He is a fantastic teacher- tough as nails but fair- and makes history comes alive.

I thank him every time I see him.

 

[Syriusly]

It's all "social studies" and "Language Arts" instead of "English" and "History".

You get one guess as to why....

That's right, nationalized, state-funded *education*. The best way in the world to insure the spread of communism and collective ignorance.

I pulled my children out of traditional public education this year. Now I'm trying to find a decent charter school for them. It's been a daunting task. I finally found one charter school that does teach high school English in ADDITION TO Language Arts...presumably "Language Arts" is a requirement...

But still no history.

And they rarely use the term "education" in their mission statements. All the mission statements are about "citizenship" and "community" and "work force". Fucking creepy.

I've never heard of that. My son is in high school and there are 2 semesters of American history and world history that are mandatory. There is also a course on African American history and one on Native American history. He is livid there are only 2 years of Spanish and he does not feel that this is adequate for a foreign language. He also is not pleased there are only 2 languages to choose from here.

Heck, his freshman year he was in Mock Trial, participated in writing legislation, helped design and build a robot and was asked to help write the curriculum and teach a group of elementary students robotics.

So, for all the things that are said about public schools...it seems to be going pretty well.

Perhaps it's a state issue?

I think its a koshergrl issue.

http://mhs.msd.k12.or.us/UserFiles/...ics/Course Bulletin 2017-18 Rvsd 05102017.pdf

Here is a link to a public high school in Oregon- in a small town outside of Portland

They offer AP English and HIstory and much much more- including the ability to get college credit while in High School.


Certainly not all public schools are great- and neither are all charter schools or all private schools.

But my daughter's high school was very good and offered AP classes in English and History- besides Gov and Economics and other courses.

 

[rightwinger]

Difference Between Social Studies and History

 

[Unkotare]

History is taught in high school. Where the term 'Social Studies' is used, it's the same thing.