Hey RWs: why didn't Trump ban include Muslims nations he does business with?

[Billy000]

It's a pretty simple question. You should be able to answer it. If Trump is so concerned about national security, why didn't he include a terrorist breeding ground like Saudi Arabia in his ban? What's your logical explanation for that?

Now I'm sure a lot of you are going to be pussies about this and deflect to Obama and his similar temporary order a few years ago regarding those nations. Of course not only is that irrelevant, it was also for an entirely different reason. Of course even then you sound like morons justifying something Trump did because of something a previous president (whom you don't even like) did.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order

Of course its relevant. There is nothing unconstitutional about it.

 

[Billy000]

Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order

Of course its relevant. There is nothing unconstitutional about it.

Okay you're quoting a bullshit Rightwing source. If you want to get into exactly what Obama did we can, but that's an irrelevant conversation. Let's talk about Trump's motive first. Be a man and address it.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order

Of course its relevant. There is nothing unconstitutional about it.

Okay you're quoting a bullshit Rightwing source. If you want to get into exactly what Obama did we can, but that's an irrelevant conversation. Let's talk about Trump's motive first. Be a man and address it.

I agree with what they both did. I have nothing to discuss.

 

[Missourian]

I can answer it...read Trumps EO...he names NO countries...only directs to a law Obama signed which in turn directs the State Department and Homeland Security to make determinations on immigration and visas.

The criteria was countries that are a safe haven for terrorists, a foreign terrorist organization has a significant presence in the country, and most importantly that allowing immigration of individuals originating from that country increases the likelihood that the alien is a credible threat to the national security of the United States.

The countries that Trump's EO covers were CHOSEN BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

Any other pressing questions?

Link to law executed by President Obama

​

 

[Billy000]

Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order

Of course its relevant. There is nothing unconstitutional about it.

Okay you're quoting a bullshit Rightwing source. If you want to get into exactly what Obama did we can, but that's an irrelevant conversation. Let's talk about Trump's motive first. Be a man and address it.

I agree with what they both did. I have nothing to discuss.

You're a pussy. Got it.

 

[Billy000]

I can answer it...read Trumps EO...he names NO countries...only directs to a law Obama signed which directs the State Department and Homeland Security to make determinations on immigration and visas.

The criteria was countries that are a safe haven for terrorists, a foreign terrorist organization has a significant presence in the country, and most importantly that allowing immigration of individuals originating from that country increases the likelihood that the alien is a credible threat to the national security of the United States.

The countries that Trump's EO covers were CHOSEN BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

Any other pressing questions?

Link to law executed by President Obama

​

Okay what you're saying is stupid. Where is the evidence Trump's order is directly related to Obama'a?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order

Of course its relevant. There is nothing unconstitutional about it.

Okay you're quoting a bullshit Rightwing source. If you want to get into exactly what Obama did we can, but that's an irrelevant conversation. Let's talk about Trump's motive first. Be a man and address it.

I agree with what they both did. I have nothing to discuss.

You're a pussy. Got it.

You've got comprehension problems.

 

[Billy000]

Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order

Of course its relevant. There is nothing unconstitutional about it.

Okay you're quoting a bullshit Rightwing source. If you want to get into exactly what Obama did we can, but that's an irrelevant conversation. Let's talk about Trump's motive first. Be a man and address it.

I agree with what they both did. I have nothing to discuss.

You're a pussy. Got it.

You've got comprehension problems.

Trump's order is entirely independent to Obama's that was fundamentally different. He just claimed they were related and you bought it like a pawn.

 

[Slyhunter]

Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order

Of course its relevant. There is nothing unconstitutional about it.

Okay you're quoting a bullshit Rightwing source. If you want to get into exactly what Obama did we can, but that's an irrelevant conversation. Let's talk about Trump's motive first. Be a man and address it.

I agree with what they both did. I have nothing to discuss.

You're a pussy. Got it.

You've got comprehension problems.

Trump's order is entirely independent to Obama's that was fundamentally different. He just claimed they were related and you bought it like a pawn.

Trump's order was directly dependent on a list created by Obama's administration.

 

[Billy000]

Okay you're quoting a bullshit Rightwing source. If you want to get into exactly what Obama did we can, but that's an irrelevant conversation. Let's talk about Trump's motive first. Be a man and address it.

I agree with what they both did. I have nothing to discuss.

You're a pussy. Got it.

You've got comprehension problems.

Trump's order is entirely independent to Obama's that was fundamentally different. He just claimed they were related and you bought it like a pawn.

Trump's order was directly dependent on a list created by Obama's administration.

No. it. Wasn't.

Are you people so dumb that you believe anything that moron says?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Its going to take a while for trump to undue the carnage and destruction left behind by his predecessor.

 

[Missourian]

Okay what you're saying is stupid. Where is the evidence Trump's order is directly related to Obama'a?

Not stupid...I don't let HuffPo or Brietbart tell me what to think...I read the Executive Order myself...and you didn't.

Had you, you would already know this.

Here is the relevant subsection:

c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).​

So what is 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12)? Here you go...

The list "of aliens from countries" that would be affected by this order

The Executive Order takes the list established by INA 217(a)(12), a pre-existing law [signed by President Obama] which restricts individuals from participating in the Visa Waiver Program (WB and WT categories), and:

Applies the list of countries to "aliens from countries designated" under INA 217(a)(12)

• It is unclear what it means to be "from" a country under the Executive Order, but it likely includes citizens, passport holders, individuals who are dual citizens of one of the 7 countries and any country other than the United States, and nationals of one of the 7 countries.
• Note that INA 217(a)(12) leaves open the designation of other countries, and so the list of 7 countries could be expanded on that basis too.
• Note that INA 217(a)(12) also restricts Visa Waiver Program entry for people who travel to the designated countries, even if they are not a citizen or national of those countries. The Executive Order does not appear to apply to someone who has only traveled to one of the countries, but anyone with questions should consult an experienced immigration lawyer.

Travel Advisory for Nationals of Certain Countries Pursuant to Executive Order | NAFSA
​

There you have it...Trump used Obama's list of countries that the Obama Administration determined to be countries ineligible for any visa waivers.

What was the criteria the Obama Administration used?

(D) Countries or areas of concern

(i) In general

Not later than 60 days after December 18, 2015, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall determine whether the requirement under subparagraph (A) shall apply to any other country or area.

Criteria

(ii) In making a determination under clause (i), the Secretary shall consider—
(I) whether the presence of an alien in the country or area increases the likelihood that the alien is a credible threat to the national security of the United States;
(II) whether a foreign terrorist organization has a significant presence in the country or area; and
(III) whether the country or area is a safe haven for terrorists.

8 U.S. Code § 1187 - Visa waiver program for certain visitors
​

So, you see, not stupid at all.

In fact it was brilliant for Trump to use Obama's list of countries.

Even you must agree with that.

P.S. - I don't think you are stupid Billy. Think for yourself, research for yourself.

​

 

[Eloy]

It's a pretty simple question. You should be able to answer it. If Trump is so concerned about national security, why didn't he include a terrorist breeding ground like Saudi Arabia in his ban? What's your logical explanation for that?

Now I'm sure a lot of you are going to be pussies about this and deflect to Obama and his similar temporary order a few years ago regarding those nations. Of course not only is that irrelevant, it was also for an entirely different reason. Of course even then you sound like morons justifying something Trump did because of something a previous president (whom you don't even like) did.

Businessmen like billionaire Trump always look after their own bottom line.

Okay you're quoting a bullshit Rightwing source. If you want to get into exactly what Obama did we can, but that's an irrelevant conversation. Let's talk about Trump's motive first. Be a man and address it.

I agree with what they both did. I have nothing to discuss.

You're a pussy. Got it.

You've got comprehension problems.

Trump's order is entirely independent to Obama's that was fundamentally different. He just claimed they were related and you bought it like a pawn.

Trump's order was directly dependent on a list created by Obama's administration.

.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The fact is that we have absolutely no legal obligation to allow foreign nationals into our country PERIOD.

 

[Billy000]

Okay what you're saying is stupid. Where is the evidence Trump's order is directly related to Obama'a?

Not stupid...I don't let HuffPo or Brietbart tell me what to think...I read the Executive Order myself...and you didn't.

Had you, you would already know this.

Here is the relevant subsection:

c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).​

So what is 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12)? Here you go...

The list "of aliens from countries" that would be affected by this order

The Executive Order takes the list established by INA 217(a)(12), a pre-existing law [signed by President Obama] which restricts individuals from participating in the Visa Waiver Program (WB and WT categories), and:

Applies the list of countries to "aliens from countries designated" under INA 217(a)(12)

• It is unclear what it means to be "from" a country under the Executive Order, but it likely includes citizens, passport holders, individuals who are dual citizens of one of the 7 countries and any country other than the United States, and nationals of one of the 7 countries.
• Note that INA 217(a)(12) leaves open the designation of other countries, and so the list of 7 countries could be expanded on that basis too.
• Note that INA 217(a)(12) also restricts Visa Waiver Program entry for people who travel to the designated countries, even if they are not a citizen or national of those countries. The Executive Order does not appear to apply to someone who has only traveled to one of the countries, but anyone with questions should consult an experienced immigration lawyer.

Travel Advisory for Nationals of Certain Countries Pursuant to Executive Order | NAFSA
​

There you have it...Trump used Obama's list of countries that the Obama Administration determined to be countries ineligible for any visa waivers.

What was the criteria the Obama Administration used?

(D) Countries or areas of concern

(i) In general

Not later than 60 days after December 18, 2015, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall determine whether the requirement under subparagraph (A) shall apply to any other country or area.

Criteria

(ii) In making a determination under clause (i), the Secretary shall consider—
(I) whether the presence of an alien in the country or area increases the likelihood that the alien is a credible threat to the national security of the United States;
(II) whether a foreign terrorist organization has a significant presence in the country or area; and
(III) whether the country or area is a safe haven for terrorists.

8 U.S. Code § 1187 - Visa waiver program for certain visitors
​

So, you see, not stupid at all.

In fact it was brilliant for Trump to use Obama's list of countries.

Even you must agree with that.

​

lol you are such a dumbass. Obama's order was an entirely different action based on entirely different motives. Find me an actual unbiased source. Either way, there is ZERO evidence Trump'a order has any direct connection to Obama's. How, exactly, are these orders the same legislation? Where is the connection?

And let's pretend that Trump's order is related to something random that Obama did in the past. So the fuck what? Do you see Obama as some role model to Trump? Since when do you support anything Obama does? Trump's ban doesn't include Arab nations with huge terrorist ties. That's undeniable.

You people are such pussies.

 

[Missourian]

lol you are such a dumbass. Obama's temporary ban was only related to Iraq. Find me an actual unbiased source. Either way, there is ZERO evidence Trump'a order has any direct connection to Obama's. How, exactly, are these orders the same legislation? Where is the connection?

And let's pretend that Trump's order is related to something random that Obama did in the past. So the fuck what? Do you see Obama as some role model to Trump? Since when do you support anything Obama does? Trump's ban doesn't include Arab nations with huge terrorist ties. That's undeniable.

You people are such pussies.

Your concession is duly noted.

Trump names ZERO countries in his EO...he points directly to Obama's law and Obama's rationale for choosing those seven countries.

You thought you had a gotcha, but Trump was way ahead of you.

He's playing chess while you guys are playing checkers Tiddlywinks.

He used Obama's list SPECIFICALLY so YOU couldn't complain.

It was a very smart move, because it cuts the legs out from under any criticism....like it just did here.

It's Obama's list of nations, compiled using the criteria list below. If a country YOU believe should be banned isn't...blame Obama.

Criteria

(ii) In making a determination under clause (i), the Secretary shall consider—
(I) whether the presence of an alien in the country or area increases the likelihood that the alien is a credible threat to the national security of the United States;
(II) whether a foreign terrorist organization has a significant presence in the country or area; and
(III) whether the country or area is a safe haven for terrorists.

8 U.S. Code § 1187 - Visa waiver program for certain visitors​

 

[emilynghiem]

It's a pretty simple question. You should be able to answer it. If Trump is so concerned about national security, why didn't he include a terrorist breeding ground like Saudi Arabia in his ban? What's your logical explanation for that?

Now I'm sure a lot of you are going to be pussies about this and deflect to Obama and his similar temporary order a few years ago regarding those nations. Of course not only is that irrelevant, it was also for an entirely different reason. Of course even then you sound like morons justifying something Trump did because of something a previous president (whom you don't even like) did.

Billy000
And why did Obama exempt unions from the employer mandates,
adding special interest groups to the exemption list that supported his agenda politically?

Why was that selectively/arbitrarily decided which groups would get exempted from mandates?

 

[Slyhunter]

I agree with what they both did. I have nothing to discuss.

You're a pussy. Got it.

You've got comprehension problems.

Trump's order is entirely independent to Obama's that was fundamentally different. He just claimed they were related and you bought it like a pawn.

Trump's order was directly dependent on a list created by Obama's administration.

No. it. Wasn't.

Are you people so dumb that you believe anything that moron says?

You have proof it didn't?
He has a list Obama's administration created which "coincidentally" matches the list of banned countries.

 

[tinydancer]

Since when does the Constitution apply to non US citizens?