Here is what the progressive economic ideology boils down to:

[Markle]

China should be responsible for the world's economic losses.

We, like the rest of the world, had to spend trillions to rescue businesses and individuals put on the ropes through no fault of theirs or of our country.

In my opinion, the release of the COVID-19 was intentional. They were desperate to get President Trump out of the oval office and a close friend into the oval office. If the virus killed a million or so Chinese, oh well, stuff happens when you have your eyes on a 100-year goal.

 

[Mac-7]

He ordered a handout.

He should not have

 

[Markle]

Do I get to keep a tank or a fighter jet for my very own the way dems get a welfare check with their name on it?

Actually, a good friend and business associate of mine owned not one but TWO Russian Mig fighters. Talk about conspicuous consumption. At first, I didn't believe it until I went with him out to the airport where they were both housed in a hanger. He had been a Navy fighter pilot. He was killed with another pilot in a fighter jet out west when they were filming something and flew into a mountain.

 

[Markle]

He [President Trump] ordered a handout.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No one working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty. Any economic policy should be focused on alleviating this.

None of this has anything to do with the goal of people just living on the government tit or being paid the same wage regardless of work. It’s about making a capitalistic economy more egalitarian. This is done by limiting - not ELIMINATING - the extremes of poverty and wealth. Republicans can’t seem to grasp the basic, obvious nuance between this and communism for some bizarre reason.

Here are some examples of solutions:

1) Investing in education
2) Investing in infrastructure
3) Raising the minimum wage
4) Socialized healthcare
5) Socialized childcare

And no, I don’t expect Biden to accomplish the objectives above.

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-07-08/biden-sanders-release-progressive-unity-platform-for-democratic-party?context=amp

I am OK with the first two then you lost me. Maybe because you're a lousy guitar player and a moron?

 

[Norman]

No one working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty. Any economic policy should be focused on alleviating this.

None of this has anything to do with the goal of people just living on the government tit or being paid the same wage regardless of work. It’s about making a capitalistic economy more egalitarian. This is done by limiting - not ELIMINATING - the extremes of poverty and wealth. Republicans can’t seem to grasp the basic, obvious nuance between this and communism for some bizarre reason.

Here are some examples of solutions:

1) Investing in education
2) Investing in infrastructure
3) Raising the minimum wage
4) Socialized healthcare
5) Socialized childcare

And no, I don’t expect Biden to accomplish the objectives above.

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-07-08/biden-sanders-release-progressive-unity-platform-for-democratic-party?context=amp

... Mooching...

is the correct answer.

Mooching at the expense of the productive in favor of the unworkable.

 

[Wyatt earp]

No one working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty. Any economic policy should be focused on alleviating this.

None of this has anything to do with the goal of people just living on the government tit or being paid the same wage regardless of work. It’s about making a capitalistic economy more egalitarian. This is done by limiting - not ELIMINATING - the extremes of poverty and wealth. Republicans can’t seem to grasp the basic, obvious nuance between this and communism for some bizarre reason.

Here are some examples of solutions:

1) Investing in education
2) Investing in infrastructure
3) Raising the minimum wage
4) Socialized healthcare
5) Socialized childcare

And no, I don’t expect Biden to accomplish the objectives above.

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-07-08/biden-sanders-release-progressive-unity-platform-for-democratic-party?context=amp

What are you talking about according to the Messiah the work week is 30 hours

 

[Andylusion]

No one working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty. Any economic policy should be focused on alleviating this.

None of this has anything to do with the goal of people just living on the government tit or being paid the same wage regardless of work. It’s about making a capitalistic economy more egalitarian. This is done by limiting - not ELIMINATING - the extremes of poverty and wealth. Republicans can’t seem to grasp the basic, obvious nuance between this and communism for some bizarre reason.

Here are some examples of solutions:

1) Investing in education
2) Investing in infrastructure
3) Raising the minimum wage
4) Socialized healthcare
5) Socialized childcare

1. So we already spend more money on education, than any other country on the face of the Earth.
Literally there is no country anywhere, that spends as much as we do on education.

Yet our schools pump out dumb as brick students. Apparently spending more money on education has not fixed this. So, not a solution. Simply isn't a solution.

Typical left-wing empty headed "throw money at it" ideology, that bankrupts countries. Not a win.

2. Infrastructure is only useful when it creates value. Greece famously poured billions into infrastructure, and it resulted in bankrupting the country.

Building a bridge that goes nowhere, does not create value for the economy. Again, this is just mindless "Throw money at it" problem solving.

3. Raising the minimum wage, has never caused economic growth in the history of the world.

Moreover, in the past everyone understood that a minimum wage destroys jobs. That is in fact why the first minimum wage laws were created, to destroy the jobs of Chinese, that were taking "white jobs" by being willing to work for less money. By creating the minimum wage, they prevented Chinese from getting white jobs.

And the same is true today. There is not a single city in the United States today, that has jacked up the minimum wage, and has not found that it reduced employment. Not one.

4. Right now, we already have Medicaid, and Medicare, and VA Hospitals, and government funded clinics.

Today, our government has over $200 Trillion in unfunded liabilities that we can't pay for, and you want to socialize the rest of health care? With what? Bankrupting the entire country?

5. Socialized Childcare? Why yes of course. We have trillions in debt, have unfunded liabilities that are in the hundreds of Trillions, why not give out more free stuff?

1) Property taxes pay for public schools and if property value is in the toilet, so are schools. Also, other countries have free tuition for higher education and their economies do quite well. Their national poverty rates are better than ours.

2) Only if it builds value? Bridges to nowhere? What the fuck are you talking about? You’re just parroting talking points clearly. You can’t even be an adult and say “yeah I think we can all agree improving our decaying power grid would be a good idea.” You’re just a lameass partisan.

3) There might be an initial shock to raising the minimum wage, but overall the economy stabilizes because if people have bigger paychecks, they are spending more money. That helps the economy. This is a consumer based economy after all. Republicans are apparently too stupid to realize economic growth doesn’t happen if all you do is stimulate supply. There must be demand to meet that supply. Do you notice how all the states who have raised their minimum wages aren’t shitholes like the red states that don’t?

4) Uh well right now not everyone qualifies for those programs so your point is stupid. Many other people are underinsured which means they can’t afford out of pocket expenses for critical health treatment. Are you just pretending our Heathcare system is great with or without ACA?

5) Do you realize how much we spend on defense? These programs can be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes and reducing defense spending. We waste billions on that shit.

1. Not one of those economies is doing better than our economy. And their people are not doing as well as our people.

I've been to Europe. You can't convince me that life there is better, when I see a family of four, living in a smaller apartment, than my college apartment. You can't tell me they have it better off, when they lose 50% of their entire pay, and earn less than US people to begin with.

And while they may have cheap education, there is a reason why 1.1 Million students come to the US, to pay for education every single year.... even though they have "free" education in their home countries.

Explainer: What 1.1 million foreign students contribute to the U.S. economy

The Trump administration said on Monday that foreign university students will have to leave the country if their classes are all taught online - clouding the future of tens of thousands of enrollees and potentially straining budgets at schools struggling to reopen during...

www.reuters.com

2. Obama passed a Trillion dollar stimulus package. If we really needed all this infrastructure spending you claim, they why didn't they do it?

Obama had the House, the Senate, and he was the president. He could have passed absolutely anything at all, and no one could have even attempted to stop him.

If infrastructure was in such dire condition, then why did he spend billions on the Unions, and cash for clunkers? Why didn't he fund all this 'oh so important' infrastructure spending?

It's because he uses small-minded parrots like you, to support endless spending, using infrastructure as a political football. But as soon as the goal is scored, they spend it on political favors and supporters and special interest, and never fix the mythical infrastructure problem. That way in just a few years, they can convinced another crowd of mindless lemmings, that we need more infrastructure spending.

3. Not true. If it was, then Greece should have been the leading economy in Europe. They had a minimum wage indexed to inflation for years. At one point over 1/4th of the entire population of Greece, was unemployed. 25%+ unemployment rate.

Why didn't it stabilize the economy because those Greeks should have had bigger paychecks, and stimulate growth like you claim?

Equally, Germany until 2015 should have had a terrible economy, or Denmark. Because neither had a minimum wage at all.

Do you notice how all the states who have raised their minimum wages aren’t shitholes like the red states that don’t?

Um... no, because that's not true. People are leaving NYC and California. Those places that have the highest minimum wage, are sh!tholes. That's why people are leaving. People are going to Texas. Not leaving Texas.

4. Again... there are free clinics across the entire country. You can go to the hospital and get treatment, without a penny, or insurance.

5. Defense is one of the fundamental duties of the Federal government.

Further, the Defense budget is only $650 Billion. The US collected $3.7 Trillion dollars in taxes last year.

The DOD is 17% of the budget. At least 2/3rds of the entire budget is just entitlements.

Moreover, you claim that increasing the corporate tax, would result in us having all this money to fund your programs.... that seems rather dumb, since before 2017, the corporate tax was significantly higher, and we didn't have all this money for all your programs.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

No one working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty. Any economic policy should be focused on alleviating this.

None of this has anything to do with the goal of people just living on the government tit or being paid the same wage regardless of work. It’s about making a capitalistic economy more egalitarian. This is done by limiting - not ELIMINATING - the extremes of poverty and wealth. Republicans can’t seem to grasp the basic, obvious nuance between this and communism for some bizarre reason.

Here are some examples of solutions:

1) Investing in education
2) Investing in infrastructure
3) Raising the minimum wage
4) Socialized healthcare
5) Socialized childcare

And no, I don’t expect Biden to accomplish the objectives above.

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-07-08/biden-sanders-release-progressive-unity-platform-for-democratic-party?context=amp

That government 'investing' is precisely why the gap between rich and poor is widening. Our government HAS NO MONEY, therefore it has to TAKE that which it spends. That action has consequences that I've yet to ever see any liberal recognize.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It's a tradeoff. Hence me objecting to your statement we are claiming something for nothing is possible.

So you are saying that you are a rich person and you are better off after having your wealth tsken than you were by keeping it?

I dont believe that.

but we come from two different places

the Old World and the New

yours a feudal society of kings and serfs

And me the offspring of free men

Men and women who braved the danger and hardship of conquoring a new land because they wanted a better life

and you?

the residue that the adventurous people left behind

Both condescending and putting up strawmen? Kudos!

First I didn't say rich people are better of if they have their wealth taken. I said explicitly that they weren't.

What I did say was that we as a society pit the prioritiy in the needs of those that are the weakest by demanding from the strongest that they contribute a proportionally higher part of their income.

To make it less abstract. We find it more important that a poor person can still enjoy good health and is capable of giving his children the highest level of education that their intellect can sustain. Than we find it important that a wealthy person can take their fourth vacation abroad.

To be clear we have rich people and we have poor people but there is simply a smaller gap between them.

In other words "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.'

thanks for revealing your Marxist cloven hoof, scumbag.

Thanks for calling me a scumbag.

I've been here for 4 years and in that time talking to people like you has made it clear that none of you know, or even worse, care to know, the distinctions between Marxism, Socialism, or Communism. As such trying to sling Marxist at me is kind of like a 3-year-old yelling fuck. Like a 3-year-old you have no comprehension of the term. Unlike a 3-year-old and in the full knowledge that you don't really care I'll give you the reason why I'm not a Marxist.

Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen ( From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.) Is the concept that once a fully developed Communist society is established the production would skyrocket to the extent that no person would ever want for anything. I don't believe that. For one thing, human nature will always want more. Greed is a real thing for almost everybody. For another eliminating wants most likely would take any need to achieve away ultimately collapsing society.

What Social Democracies do is trying to give everybody the same starting place and try to ensure that everybody will always have their BASIC needs fulfilled.

We don't need to care about the distinctions between any of those. That's like criticizing us for not discussing the distinctions between different fatal poisons. The ONE MATERIAL common attribute is that the are ALL FUCKING POISON.

Similarly, the common attribute among those nonsensical ideologies is divesting individuals of the ownership of the means of production. There is practically ZERO difference between communism and democratic socialism.

 

[martybegan]

No one working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty. Any economic policy should be focused on alleviating this.

None of this has anything to do with the goal of people just living on the government tit or being paid the same wage regardless of work. It’s about making a capitalistic economy more egalitarian. This is done by limiting - not ELIMINATING - the extremes of poverty and wealth. Republicans can’t seem to grasp the basic, obvious nuance between this and communism for some bizarre reason.

Here are some examples of solutions:

1) Investing in education
2) Investing in infrastructure
3) Raising the minimum wage
4) Socialized healthcare
5) Socialized childcare

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-07-08/biden-sanders-release-progressive-unity-platform-for-democratic-party?context=amp

Something for nothing, huh?

the liberal dream that never grows old

free tuition for students who would rather get high than study?

then after they leave college pay them $15 an hour to be a soda jerk at Starbucks?

how can a single mom with 3 children by 3 different men stay above the poverty level at such a low wage?

oh yeah, they get free babysitters till the kids are old enough to smoke dope and have kids of their own.

that sounds like a plan to me

The usual emotional stereotype bullshit. Trust me I noticed you left our facts.

The fact is economics dictates you can't pay people more than the value they add to a given product or service.

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

No one working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty. Any economic policy should be focused on alleviating this.

None of this has anything to do with the goal of people just living on the government tit or being paid the same wage regardless of work. It’s about making a capitalistic economy more egalitarian. This is done by limiting - not ELIMINATING - the extremes of poverty and wealth. Republicans can’t seem to grasp the basic, obvious nuance between this and communism for some bizarre reason.

Here are some examples of solutions:

1) Investing in education
2) Investing in infrastructure
3) Raising the minimum wage
4) Socialized healthcare
5) Socialized childcare

And no, I don’t expect Biden to accomplish the objectives above.

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-07-08/biden-sanders-release-progressive-unity-platform-for-democratic-party?context=amp

Who pays for your fairy tale?

And do the Unicorns eat the rainbows and poop skittles?

What part do you think is so crazy? Think the Nordic model has it all covered and they do rather well.

Is that where you live cuppycakes?