Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine, Navarro vs Fauci

[Dragonlady]

You'll have to excuse us if we don't accept your word on that.

You don't have to accept our word for it, you simply have to google the side effects of this drug. This drug is an immuno-suppressant. Unless your immune system has gone into dangerous overdrive, which only happens in the late and deadly stage of the disease, taking the drug can harm you. If you have any sort of heart condition, it can kill you.

Because of the dangers and the side effects, this is not a drug you give for "preventative measures". All of this information is readily available if you google.

You'll have to excuse us if we don't accept your word on that.

Again, google the data. No one should EVER accept the word of someone on a message board on anything medical. If you're dumb enough to take the word of Donald Trump on medical matters, you deserve whatever happens to you.

 

[bripat9643]

You'll have to excuse us if we don't accept your word on tha

But its not as if you are going to look it up, either, so...

You look it up.

You still haven't figured out how debates are supposed to work, have you?

 

[bripat9643]

You'll have to excuse us if we don't accept your word on that.

You don't have to accept our word for it, you simply have to google the side effects of this drug. This drug is an immuno-suppressant. Unless your immune system has gone into dangerous overdrive, which only happens in the late and deadly stage of the disease, taking the drug can harm you. If you have any sort of heart condition, it can kill you.

Because of the dangers and the side effects, this is not a drug you give for "preventative measures". All of this information is readily available if you google.

You'll have to excuse us if we don't accept your word on that.

Again, google the data. No one should EVER accept the word of someone on a message board on anything medical. If you're dumb enough to take the word of Donald Trump on medical matters, you deserve whatever happens to you.

Don't ever tell me to Google something. Gathering evidence to support your moronic claims is your job, not mine.

 

[bripat9643]

You claimed doctors are telling people not to take it.

Yeah, you made that up. I swear, 90% of your overwrought replies are madeup nonsense.

Allow me to quote you:

A DOCTOR, yes. Trump is not a doctor. Doctors are saying "do not take it, it could kill you."​

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I know this much, Navarro has been a hawk on China, well ahead of the game in terms of what threat they pose to the world. The guy I probably most trust in his administration to stay the course on confronting abusers of America.

Fauci, has been getting sunshine shined up his behind by CNN in particular for some time. This article was co-written by that guy in high school who I would expect to rat someone out to the teacher if he heard them curse in gym class, Jim Acosta. I think Fauci seeks the spotlight too often and he is a little too sure of himself for my tastes for this type of situation with many unknowns. I'm glad when Trump calls him out about wanting to shut the country down for 2 years, I think it's an odd, broad position to take considering how some states are far less impacted by this virus than others.

Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine

(CNN)There was a heated disagreement in the Situation Room this weekend over the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine -- but multiple sources say it was mostly one-sided, as President Donald Trump's top trade adviser Peter Navarro feuded with other officials over the drug's unproven effectiveness to treat coronavirus.

The debate is not a new one inside the coronavirus task force -- and medical experts have repeatedly explained to the President that there is a risk in enthusiastically touting hydroxychloroquine in case the drug doesn't ultimately work to combat the virus. But other aides and outside advisers have sided with Trump, including Navarro, who is still not a formal part of the task force but has wedged himself into the meetings.

Axios first reported on the disagreement inside the White House about the drug.

While discussing the latest on hydroxychloroquine this weekend, an exasperated Navarro lashed out at Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the advisers who has urged caution about the drug, a person familiar with the meeting told CNN.

Fauci's been good to have in our corner but OTOH reminds me of that saying "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He's too insular. Trump is wise to bring other people in and listen.

Yeah, let's listen to what the economist has to say over the health care professional with over 50 years experience during a pandemic.

Yeah, let's stay in our houses like hermits for two years. Brilliant plan. There will be NO viruses left likely, but also, no economy. And no America.

Great idea. Brilliant.

That's exactly what The VOR asshole would LOVE to see happen if it would destroy President Trump.

You're an idiot. But hey, when it comes to YOUR health, if you want to trust in an economist for your well-being, knock yourself out.

Personally, I'll side with the medical professionals when it comes to my health during this pandemic, and I'll do my best taking precautions to prevent myself from contracting this virus from some stupid fuck like you.

And one more thing assholes --- you and sue --- nobody said anything about staying in their homes without coming out for two years. That's just more of the loads of bullshit you idiots invent.

It truly is amazing how fucking stupid you retards are.

If Fauci a medical professional? He said he would take it if he had the virus.

Sorry, but you aren't making any sense. Learn English and then get back to me.

Of you get corvid will you refuse this drug?

Yes, because it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional. You on the other hand would take it because trump and an economist told you to, LOL. Good luck.

Who told you that it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional?

Are you telling me doctors are currently prescribing hydroxychloroquine for covid-19?

Of course they are. Who told you that they weren't?

Doctors are prescribing it for covid-19? Link me to that. There haven't even been clinical trials for this drug as a treatment for covid-19.

LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19

Fuck that. If you want to be a lab rat, go right ahead, not me.

This drug has been in use since 1955 in the US. Anybody with this virus right now should take this. Most with common sense would.

Since 1955 as a treatment for malaria.

Then tell me, why aren't all doctors across the country prescribing this covid-19 wonder drug? Let me guess, either none of them have "common sense" or they are all members of the deep state trying to harm trump's reelection.

This is used routinely by rheumatolgists for treating arthritis. It is hardly a risky drug. It is marketed under the name Plaquenil. Read the link below from the Arthritis foundation.

"...the sudden high demand comes from people and clinics that want to use hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 prevention or treatment, although the drug is not approved for either indication, and there is limited evidence to support its use in COVID-19. Researchers are preparing to launch rigorous studies of its safety and effectiveness. Despite that, people and clinicians are putting their hope in hydroxychloroquine (and chloroquine, a closely related drug). "

In other words, they are prescribing it. Some don't want it to be the answer for obvious reasons.

Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) Shortage Causing Concern | Arthritis Foundation

TDS morons won't do anything unless Adolph Schiffler tells them to do it.

You're calling the rest of the world "morons" for refusing to use an untested and dangerous drug, on the advice of a failed economist and a realty TV show host, and which the DOCTORS and INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALISTS on staff are advising against.

That is cult of personality at its finest.

you are totally FOS. The drug has been around for over 50 years and has been tested extensively. It is used on malaria and lupus and works. Calling it an untested and dangerous drug is just plain ignorant.

the real reason the dems and their funders in big pharma are fighting it is because it is available and CHBEAP. so no new patents for the drug companies and no obscene profits, and no massive funding flowing from pharma to the dems.

Wake the fuck up, thats what is really going on here.

It is untested for THIS use. Just like you shouldn't take heart medication for heartburn, you don't take a malaria drug for COVID. It has to be tested to ensure the drug doesn't act negatively with the symptoms or other treatments.

Nothing wrong with being hopeful but "try it, what have you got to lose" is irresponsible and stupid. What you "have to lose" is your life. That'd just be "Survival of the fittest" though and you support that right?

Untested for this use? I've seen articles linked all over this forum that show thousands of people have taken this drug for covid and the drug worked. Lefties are fighting this drug for partisan reasons, but they are on the losing side of this one.

Nobody is "fighting" it. Everyone hopes it will work. It has to be tested first. Trump is being irresponsible as usual in his rush to " open America back up".

Go slow to go fast.

People are dying today as I type this. If this drug can save some of them, they should be allowed to use it if recommended by their doctor.

the side affects are well known, it has been around for over 50 years and has gone generic. And thats the real reason the dems are fighting it, their big pharma funders cannot make billions off of a generic drug.

No one can stop any doctor from using any drug that has gone through FDA testing, so doctors are prescribing Hydroxychloroquinine and will continue to do so.

But the reason it needs to be fought is that any claim that Hydroxychloroquinine has any effect on a virus, is false. It is only useful in treating some side effects in some people who have severe COVID-19 cases. If you do not have a severe case of COVID-19 and the appropriate side effects, then Hydroxychloroquinine is harmful to you.

You'll have to excuse us if we don't accept your word on that.

You don't have to accept our word for it, you simply have to google the side effects of this drug. This drug is an immuno-suppressant. Unless your immune system has gone into dangerous overdrive, which only happens in the late and deadly stage of the disease, taking the drug can harm you. If you have any sort of heart condition, it can kill you.

Because of the dangers and the side effects, this is not a drug you give for "preventative measures". All of this information is readily available if you google.

Nobody ever said to take the drug as a preventative measure. It can be prescribed after you have been diagnosed with Covid-19 in an effort to keep you off a ventilator and out of ICU.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I know this much, Navarro has been a hawk on China, well ahead of the game in terms of what threat they pose to the world. The guy I probably most trust in his administration to stay the course on confronting abusers of America.

Fauci, has been getting sunshine shined up his behind by CNN in particular for some time. This article was co-written by that guy in high school who I would expect to rat someone out to the teacher if he heard them curse in gym class, Jim Acosta. I think Fauci seeks the spotlight too often and he is a little too sure of himself for my tastes for this type of situation with many unknowns. I'm glad when Trump calls him out about wanting to shut the country down for 2 years, I think it's an odd, broad position to take considering how some states are far less impacted by this virus than others.

Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine

(CNN)There was a heated disagreement in the Situation Room this weekend over the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine -- but multiple sources say it was mostly one-sided, as President Donald Trump's top trade adviser Peter Navarro feuded with other officials over the drug's unproven effectiveness to treat coronavirus.

The debate is not a new one inside the coronavirus task force -- and medical experts have repeatedly explained to the President that there is a risk in enthusiastically touting hydroxychloroquine in case the drug doesn't ultimately work to combat the virus. But other aides and outside advisers have sided with Trump, including Navarro, who is still not a formal part of the task force but has wedged himself into the meetings.

Axios first reported on the disagreement inside the White House about the drug.

While discussing the latest on hydroxychloroquine this weekend, an exasperated Navarro lashed out at Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the advisers who has urged caution about the drug, a person familiar with the meeting told CNN.

Fauci's been good to have in our corner but OTOH reminds me of that saying "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He's too insular. Trump is wise to bring other people in and listen.

Yeah, let's listen to what the economist has to say over the health care professional with over 50 years experience during a pandemic.

Yeah, let's stay in our houses like hermits for two years. Brilliant plan. There will be NO viruses left likely, but also, no economy. And no America.

Great idea. Brilliant.

That's exactly what The VOR asshole would LOVE to see happen if it would destroy President Trump.

You're an idiot. But hey, when it comes to YOUR health, if you want to trust in an economist for your well-being, knock yourself out.

Personally, I'll side with the medical professionals when it comes to my health during this pandemic, and I'll do my best taking precautions to prevent myself from contracting this virus from some stupid fuck like you.

And one more thing assholes --- you and sue --- nobody said anything about staying in their homes without coming out for two years. That's just more of the loads of bullshit you idiots invent.

It truly is amazing how fucking stupid you retards are.

If Fauci a medical professional? He said he would take it if he had the virus.

Sorry, but you aren't making any sense. Learn English and then get back to me.

Of you get corvid will you refuse this drug?

Yes, because it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional. You on the other hand would take it because trump and an economist told you to, LOL. Good luck.

Who told you that it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional?

Are you telling me doctors are currently prescribing hydroxychloroquine for covid-19?

Of course they are. Who told you that they weren't?

Doctors are prescribing it for covid-19? Link me to that. There haven't even been clinical trials for this drug as a treatment for covid-19.

LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19

Fuck that. If you want to be a lab rat, go right ahead, not me.

This drug has been in use since 1955 in the US. Anybody with this virus right now should take this. Most with common sense would.

Since 1955 as a treatment for malaria.

Then tell me, why aren't all doctors across the country prescribing this covid-19 wonder drug? Let me guess, either none of them have "common sense" or they are all members of the deep state trying to harm trump's reelection.

This is used routinely by rheumatolgists for treating arthritis. It is hardly a risky drug. It is marketed under the name Plaquenil. Read the link below from the Arthritis foundation.

"...the sudden high demand comes from people and clinics that want to use hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 prevention or treatment, although the drug is not approved for either indication, and there is limited evidence to support its use in COVID-19. Researchers are preparing to launch rigorous studies of its safety and effectiveness. Despite that, people and clinicians are putting their hope in hydroxychloroquine (and chloroquine, a closely related drug). "

In other words, they are prescribing it. Some don't want it to be the answer for obvious reasons.

Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) Shortage Causing Concern | Arthritis Foundation

TDS morons won't do anything unless Adolph Schiffler tells them to do it.

You're calling the rest of the world "morons" for refusing to use an untested and dangerous drug, on the advice of a failed economist and a realty TV show host, and which the DOCTORS and INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALISTS on staff are advising against.

That is cult of personality at its finest.

you are totally FOS. The drug has been around for over 50 years and has been tested extensively. It is used on malaria and lupus and works. Calling it an untested and dangerous drug is just plain ignorant.

the real reason the dems and their funders in big pharma are fighting it is because it is available and CHBEAP. so no new patents for the drug companies and no obscene profits, and no massive funding flowing from pharma to the dems.

Wake the fuck up, thats what is really going on here.

It is untested for THIS use. Just like you shouldn't take heart medication for heartburn, you don't take a malaria drug for COVID. It has to be tested to ensure the drug doesn't act negatively with the symptoms or other treatments.

Nothing wrong with being hopeful but "try it, what have you got to lose" is irresponsible and stupid. What you "have to lose" is your life. That'd just be "Survival of the fittest" though and you support that right?

Untested for this use? I've seen articles linked all over this forum that show thousands of people have taken this drug for covid and the drug worked. Lefties are fighting this drug for partisan reasons, but they are on the losing side of this one.

Nobody is "fighting" it. Everyone hopes it will work. It has to be tested first. Trump is being irresponsible as usual in his rush to " open America back up".

Go slow to go fast.

People are dying today as I type this. If this drug can save some of them, they should be allowed to use it if recommended by their doctor.

the side affects are well known, it has been around for over 50 years and has gone generic. And thats the real reason the dems are fighting it, their big pharma funders cannot make billions off of a generic drug.

No one can stop any doctor from using any drug that has gone through FDA testing, so doctors are prescribing Hydroxychloroquinine and will continue to do so.

But the reason it needs to be fought is that any claim that Hydroxychloroquinine has any effect on a virus, is false. It is only useful in treating some side effects in some people who have severe COVID-19 cases. If you do not have a severe case of COVID-19 and the appropriate side effects, then Hydroxychloroquinine is harmful to you.

Absolutely wrong about that. The claim is that the earlier you take it, the faster you will recover is what's being said now.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Side effects from hydroxychloroquine are really very minimal. It’s used as first line in Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis specifically because it’s so benign.

The people listing what is on the packet insert really don’t know what they’re talking about.

Several years ago my throat began to swell up. It got a little difficult to breathe and swallow. About 2:00 am I went to the emergency room, and they took me right away. They started an IV on me. When the doctor came in, he told me the swelling in my throat was serious, and caused by my high blood pressure medication. I told the doctor I have been taking that medication for a couple of years. He told me that is irrelevant.

They cleaned me out, he instructed me never to take the medication again, and consult my doctor for a replacement.

A few weeks later, I looked into the drug. Other people experienced what I did. Some have died from being suffocated to death. They still sell that drug on the market today.

Angioedema is not extremely uncommon with that drug and probably way over reported. Deaths from it are extremely uncommon. The thing Is there is a significant mortality benefit from using that drug so benefits outweigh risks.

In terms of hydroxychloroqine, the benefits are uncertain. Let’s say it prevents every single death from COVID. Since mortality is only 1%, you have to treat 100 patients just to save one life. In terms of medicine, that’s called number needed to treat, and 100 is up there, although not extremely high. The benefit is probably pretty low. The risks are also low.

In the grand scheme of things, big picture stuff, this is really just not very relevant. If it works, or doesn’t work, this is really not that important.

From what I understand, the symptoms of this thing can be torturous. So even if somebody could survive without it, the drug itself might make people much more comfortable until they are over it. If so, that in itself would be worth using it.

Again, I'd rather endure some discomfort than permanent kidney damage or blindness. I endured 28 hours of labour with no pain meds (they reduced the effectiveness of the contractions), I can do torturous. I have experience.

Good for you, but some people can't. Furthermore it makes no sense to allow people to suffer like that if they don't have to because of politics, which this is really all about.

No Ray. This is not all about politics. This is about science. What Trump is doing is giving false hope. It's selling snake oil to frightened and desperate people. It would not suprise me one bit if the company which manufactures this drug is owned by friends of Donald Trump.

I have read every report I could find on this drug and I read nothing, that leads me to believe this drug is any kind of cure for this virus. As an asthmatic, I'll look at everything out there, and I've taken drugs, knowing that it has probably done real damage, but on the other hand, I'd be dead without it. There is nothing that I've seen that would give me any real hope on this one.

This is no different than Trump telling you that one day the virus will disappear, like magic. He desperately wants a magic pill to make it all go away, and that's not going to happen.

It's not about politics? Were you laughing or drinking when you wrote that????

Yes, it is about politics. That's why everybody on the right here is for the use of it and everybody on the left against it. Like I said, if Trump was against allowing the use of it for COVID, and Piglosi was for it, everybody here on the left would be singing the praises of hydroxychloroquine. Why? Because if it does work well, she'd be getting the credit for it, and Trump would look like the fool.

It's like the border wall. The left says they're against it because it won't work, when in reality, they are afraid it will work. It's the same thing with the treatment that the President supports.

The real partisan divide is over whether it actually works or not. The right is claiming it’s proven and effective. Trump is calling it the biggest game changer in the history of medicine.

The argument between Navarro and Fauci was that Fauci is saying don’t claim it works before we know it. What Fauci doesn’t understand is that Trump’s supporters won’t care either way. They’ve decided it works and no evidence is going to change that. Fauci doesn’t live in that world. He doesn’t understand how it works.

In some controlled tests it has worked. It should be available and the decision to use or not should be left to the individual and his/her doctor.

This argument is not about the drug, its about politics and money.

If it works it makes Trump look good, if it works there is not big payday for big pharma because its generic and cheap.

It is available, well, actually it’s in short supply so it needs to be rationed for severe cases. There is no controlled data that demonstrates effectiveness. The quality of the data is extremely poor at this time.

No one with any medical knowledge would say it’s proven to work. The political piece is Trump supporters wanting a “win” and will adhere to anything to be able to claim such.

nothing in your post is true. It is available in large quantities, there have been controlled verified studies proving that it works. Doctors are using it and it is saving lives.

its not about a political win, you asshole. its about saving lives and beating the virus.

I’m going from first hand knowledge. Are you?

what exactly is your first hand knowledge?

I work in hospital systems. Do you have first hand knowledge?

I have full access to everything that has been available by all media outlets, domestic and foreign.

Have you seen the drug used? you claim first hand knowledge regarding the drug, what is it?

The media is awful at reporting medical and scientific information. They aren’t trained for it. Furthermore, some media is highly motivated to parrot what Trump is saying. If Trump wants you to believe the drug works, they’re damn well going to toe the line.

My hospital system and state are experiencing shortages of Plaquenil. Our experience has been quite mixed. It is not a miracle.

There are reports of it curing people who were dying. the state rep from Michigan, and Dr Segal's 96 your old father, to name just two.

but the decision to use it should be made by you and your doctor, not the media or some clown crew of politicians.

All Trump has ever said is that he is hopeful that it can save lives, what do you find objectionable about that?

There are not reports of Plaquenil curing anyone.
The Michigan congresswoman was taking many other more important drugs, like antibiotics, and could have been on the verge of recovery herself even.

The point is that Plaquenil is an immune response suppressor, so given at the peak of a deadly immune response, it can be helpful. But given at any other time, it would be very harmful. So no one but doctors should know about it or decide when it should be used. Its too complicated for the general public.

Which is why it's a prescription drug.

 

[lennypartiv]

We've contained it where it counts. Very few cases in Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska, and the Dakotas.

It's not contained there, dope. It is growing. They are just weeks behind the coasts.

Fly over country looks safe to me.

 

[whitehall]

"In case" of a full blown virus. My guess is that these memos are routine. We know how Hillary reacted when intel sources warned her about an imminent attack on the Benghazi embassy. More recently it seems that NY Gov. Cuomo warned citizens early in the epidemic that it would be racist if they were hesitant about going about their routines for fear of catching the virus.

 

[lennypartiv]

I believe those exceptions, allowed 40,000 people in from China.
If just one out of a hundred were infected, that's enough to launch the pandemic within the US.

China is a big trading partner, kind of hard to ban 100 percent of air travel.

 

[Dragonlady]

I know this much, Navarro has been a hawk on China, well ahead of the game in terms of what threat they pose to the world. The guy I probably most trust in his administration to stay the course on confronting abusers of America.

Fauci, has been getting sunshine shined up his behind by CNN in particular for some time. This article was co-written by that guy in high school who I would expect to rat someone out to the teacher if he heard them curse in gym class, Jim Acosta. I think Fauci seeks the spotlight too often and he is a little too sure of himself for my tastes for this type of situation with many unknowns. I'm glad when Trump calls him out about wanting to shut the country down for 2 years, I think it's an odd, broad position to take considering how some states are far less impacted by this virus than others.

Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine

(CNN)There was a heated disagreement in the Situation Room this weekend over the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine -- but multiple sources say it was mostly one-sided, as President Donald Trump's top trade adviser Peter Navarro feuded with other officials over the drug's unproven effectiveness to treat coronavirus.

The debate is not a new one inside the coronavirus task force -- and medical experts have repeatedly explained to the President that there is a risk in enthusiastically touting hydroxychloroquine in case the drug doesn't ultimately work to combat the virus. But other aides and outside advisers have sided with Trump, including Navarro, who is still not a formal part of the task force but has wedged himself into the meetings.

Axios first reported on the disagreement inside the White House about the drug.

While discussing the latest on hydroxychloroquine this weekend, an exasperated Navarro lashed out at Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the advisers who has urged caution about the drug, a person familiar with the meeting told CNN.

Fauci's been good to have in our corner but OTOH reminds me of that saying "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He's too insular. Trump is wise to bring other people in and listen.

Yeah, let's listen to what the economist has to say over the health care professional with over 50 years experience during a pandemic.

Yeah, let's stay in our houses like hermits for two years. Brilliant plan. There will be NO viruses left likely, but also, no economy. And no America.

Great idea. Brilliant.

That's exactly what The VOR asshole would LOVE to see happen if it would destroy President Trump.

You're an idiot. But hey, when it comes to YOUR health, if you want to trust in an economist for your well-being, knock yourself out.

Personally, I'll side with the medical professionals when it comes to my health during this pandemic, and I'll do my best taking precautions to prevent myself from contracting this virus from some stupid fuck like you.

And one more thing assholes --- you and sue --- nobody said anything about staying in their homes without coming out for two years. That's just more of the loads of bullshit you idiots invent.

It truly is amazing how fucking stupid you retards are.

If Fauci a medical professional? He said he would take it if he had the virus.

Sorry, but you aren't making any sense. Learn English and then get back to me.

Of you get corvid will you refuse this drug?

Yes, because it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional. You on the other hand would take it because trump and an economist told you to, LOL. Good luck.

Who told you that it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional?

Are you telling me doctors are currently prescribing hydroxychloroquine for covid-19?

Of course they are. Who told you that they weren't?

Doctors are prescribing it for covid-19? Link me to that. There haven't even been clinical trials for this drug as a treatment for covid-19.

LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19

Fuck that. If you want to be a lab rat, go right ahead, not me.

This drug has been in use since 1955 in the US. Anybody with this virus right now should take this. Most with common sense would.

Since 1955 as a treatment for malaria.

Then tell me, why aren't all doctors across the country prescribing this covid-19 wonder drug? Let me guess, either none of them have "common sense" or they are all members of the deep state trying to harm trump's reelection.

This is used routinely by rheumatolgists for treating arthritis. It is hardly a risky drug. It is marketed under the name Plaquenil. Read the link below from the Arthritis foundation.

"...the sudden high demand comes from people and clinics that want to use hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 prevention or treatment, although the drug is not approved for either indication, and there is limited evidence to support its use in COVID-19. Researchers are preparing to launch rigorous studies of its safety and effectiveness. Despite that, people and clinicians are putting their hope in hydroxychloroquine (and chloroquine, a closely related drug). "

In other words, they are prescribing it. Some don't want it to be the answer for obvious reasons.

Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) Shortage Causing Concern | Arthritis Foundation

TDS morons won't do anything unless Adolph Schiffler tells them to do it.

You're calling the rest of the world "morons" for refusing to use an untested and dangerous drug, on the advice of a failed economist and a realty TV show host, and which the DOCTORS and INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALISTS on staff are advising against.

That is cult of personality at its finest.

you are totally FOS. The drug has been around for over 50 years and has been tested extensively. It is used on malaria and lupus and works. Calling it an untested and dangerous drug is just plain ignorant.

the real reason the dems and their funders in big pharma are fighting it is because it is available and CHBEAP. so no new patents for the drug companies and no obscene profits, and no massive funding flowing from pharma to the dems.

Wake the fuck up, thats what is really going on here.

It is untested for THIS use. Just like you shouldn't take heart medication for heartburn, you don't take a malaria drug for COVID. It has to be tested to ensure the drug doesn't act negatively with the symptoms or other treatments.

Nothing wrong with being hopeful but "try it, what have you got to lose" is irresponsible and stupid. What you "have to lose" is your life. That'd just be "Survival of the fittest" though and you support that right?

Untested for this use? I've seen articles linked all over this forum that show thousands of people have taken this drug for covid and the drug worked. Lefties are fighting this drug for partisan reasons, but they are on the losing side of this one.

Nobody is "fighting" it. Everyone hopes it will work. It has to be tested first. Trump is being irresponsible as usual in his rush to " open America back up".

Go slow to go fast.

People are dying today as I type this. If this drug can save some of them, they should be allowed to use it if recommended by their doctor.

the side affects are well known, it has been around for over 50 years and has gone generic. And thats the real reason the dems are fighting it, their big pharma funders cannot make billions off of a generic drug.

No one can stop any doctor from using any drug that has gone through FDA testing, so doctors are prescribing Hydroxychloroquinine and will continue to do so.

But the reason it needs to be fought is that any claim that Hydroxychloroquinine has any effect on a virus, is false. It is only useful in treating some side effects in some people who have severe COVID-19 cases. If you do not have a severe case of COVID-19 and the appropriate side effects, then Hydroxychloroquinine is harmful to you.

You'll have to excuse us if we don't accept your word on that.

You don't have to accept our word for it, you simply have to google the side effects of this drug. This drug is an immuno-suppressant. Unless your immune system has gone into dangerous overdrive, which only happens in the late and deadly stage of the disease, taking the drug can harm you. If you have any sort of heart condition, it can kill you.

Because of the dangers and the side effects, this is not a drug you give for "preventative measures". All of this information is readily available if you google.

Nobody ever said to take the drug as a preventative measure. It can be prescribed after you have been diagnosed with Covid-19 in an effort to keep you off a ventilator and out of ICU.

Yes, if your immune system goes into hyper-drive, which doesn't happen with every case. The peer reviewed report out of France did not say to use it to keep people off ventilators, they said to use it to suppress an immune system which malfunctions (something this virus may cause, but not neccessarily will cause). And they said it worked better and faster in comination - the Z-pack.

The link to the peer reviewed study was contained in one of the OAN links but it didn't say what the article claimed. OAN claimed the study said it cured 78 out of 80 participants. The study said it was used in 22 cases, and worked best in the Z-pack combination, in cases where the infection had spread to the lower respiratory track.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You look it up.

You still haven't figured out how debates are supposed to work, have you

Thats not about debate. Its about you pretending you care to know something, when you actually dont.. Grow up.

 

[bripat9643]

You look it up.

You still haven't figured out how debates are supposed to work, have you

Thats not about debate. Its about you pretending you care to know something, when you actually dont.. Grow up.

it's about you being too fucking lazy to do your own research, or not having any facts on your side.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You look it up.

You still haven't figured out how debates are supposed to work, have you

Thats not about debate. Its about you pretending you care to know something, when you actually dont.. Grow up.

it's about you being too fucking lazy to do your own research, or not having any facts on your side.

Nah, no it isn't. You have shown many times that you don't care to know what is true and what isnt, and that you just say something stupid to shit in information when it is spoonfed to you. You're just wasting people's time.

 

[bripat9643]

You look it up.

You still haven't figured out how debates are supposed to work, have you

Thats not about debate. Its about you pretending you care to know something, when you actually dont.. Grow up.

it's about you being too fucking lazy to do your own research, or not having any facts on your side.

Nah, no it isn't. You have shown many times that you don't care to know what is true and what isnt, and that you just say something stupid to shit in information when it is spoonfed to you. You're just wasting people's time.

When are you going to stop lying? I've caught you posting falsehoods just today.

Your time isn't worth jackshit. Do you actually believe that I'm just going to swallow whatever garbage you puke up?

 

[boilermaker55]

LIAR!

Side effects from hydroxychloroquine are really very minimal. It’s used as first line in Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis specifically because it’s so benign.

The people listing what is on the packet insert really don’t know what they’re talking about.

Several years ago my throat began to swell up. It got a little difficult to breathe and swallow. About 2:00 am I went to the emergency room, and they took me right away. They started an IV on me. When the doctor came in, he told me the swelling in my throat was serious, and caused by my high blood pressure medication. I told the doctor I have been taking that medication for a couple of years. He told me that is irrelevant.

They cleaned me out, he instructed me never to take the medication again, and consult my doctor for a replacement.

A few weeks later, I looked into the drug. Other people experienced what I did. Some have died from being suffocated to death. They still sell that drug on the market today.

Angioedema is not extremely uncommon with that drug and probably way over reported. Deaths from it are extremely uncommon. The thing Is there is a significant mortality benefit from using that drug so benefits outweigh risks.

In terms of hydroxychloroqine, the benefits are uncertain. Let’s say it prevents every single death from COVID. Since mortality is only 1%, you have to treat 100 patients just to save one life. In terms of medicine, that’s called number needed to treat, and 100 is up there, although not extremely high. The benefit is probably pretty low. The risks are also low.

In the grand scheme of things, big picture stuff, this is really just not very relevant. If it works, or doesn’t work, this is really not that important.

From what I understand, the symptoms of this thing can be torturous. So even if somebody could survive without it, the drug itself might make people much more comfortable until they are over it. If so, that in itself would be worth using it.

Again, I'd rather endure some discomfort than permanent kidney damage or blindness. I endured 28 hours of labour with no pain meds (they reduced the effectiveness of the contractions), I can do torturous. I have experience.

Good for you, but some people can't. Furthermore it makes no sense to allow people to suffer like that if they don't have to because of politics, which this is really all about.

No Ray. This is not all about politics. This is about science. What Trump is doing is giving false hope. It's selling snake oil to frightened and desperate people. It would not suprise me one bit if the company which manufactures this drug is owned by friends of Donald Trump.

I have read every report I could find on this drug and I read nothing, that leads me to believe this drug is any kind of cure for this virus. As an asthmatic, I'll look at everything out there, and I've taken drugs, knowing that it has probably done real damage, but on the other hand, I'd be dead without it. There is nothing that I've seen that would give me any real hope on this one.

This is no different than Trump telling you that one day the virus will disappear, like magic. He desperately wants a magic pill to make it all go away, and that's not going to happen.

It's not about politics? Were you laughing or drinking when you wrote that????

Yes, it is about politics. That's why everybody on the right here is for the use of it and everybody on the left against it. Like I said, if Trump was against allowing the use of it for COVID, and Piglosi was for it, everybody here on the left would be singing the praises of hydroxychloroquine. Why? Because if it does work well, she'd be getting the credit for it, and Trump would look like the fool.

It's like the border wall. The left says they're against it because it won't work, when in reality, they are afraid it will work. It's the same thing with the treatment that the President supports.

The real partisan divide is over whether it actually works or not. The right is claiming it’s proven and effective. Trump is calling it the biggest game changer in the history of medicine.

The argument between Navarro and Fauci was that Fauci is saying don’t claim it works before we know it. What Fauci doesn’t understand is that Trump’s supporters won’t care either way. They’ve decided it works and no evidence is going to change that. Fauci doesn’t live in that world. He doesn’t understand how it works.

In some controlled tests it has worked. It should be available and the decision to use or not should be left to the individual and his/her doctor.

This argument is not about the drug, its about politics and money.

If it works it makes Trump look good, if it works there is not big payday for big pharma because its generic and cheap.

It is available, well, actually it’s in short supply so it needs to be rationed for severe cases. There is no controlled data that demonstrates effectiveness. The quality of the data is extremely poor at this time.

No one with any medical knowledge would say it’s proven to work. The political piece is Trump supporters wanting a “win” and will adhere to anything to be able to claim such.

nothing in your post is true. It is available in large quantities, there have been controlled verified studies proving that it works. Doctors are using it and it is saving lives.

its not about a political win, you asshole. its about saving lives and beating the virus.

I’m going from first hand knowledge. Are you?

what exactly is your first hand knowledge?

I work in hospital systems. Do you have first hand knowledge?

I have full access to everything that has been available by all media outlets, domestic and foreign.

Have you seen the drug used? you claim first hand knowledge regarding the drug, what is it?

The media is awful at reporting medical and scientific information. They aren’t trained for it. Furthermore, some media is highly motivated to parrot what Trump is saying. If Trump wants you to believe the drug works, they’re damn well going to toe the line.

My hospital system and state are experiencing shortages of Plaquenil. Our experience has been quite mixed. It is not a miracle.

It's amazing how much lefties want Trump's drug to fail. Unfortunately for lefties, the drug Trump TOUTED is working like clockwork. Lol...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I know this much, Navarro has been a hawk on China, well ahead of the game in terms of what threat they pose to the world. The guy I probably most trust in his administration to stay the course on confronting abusers of America.

Fauci, has been getting sunshine shined up his behind by CNN in particular for some time. This article was co-written by that guy in high school who I would expect to rat someone out to the teacher if he heard them curse in gym class, Jim Acosta. I think Fauci seeks the spotlight too often and he is a little too sure of himself for my tastes for this type of situation with many unknowns. I'm glad when Trump calls him out about wanting to shut the country down for 2 years, I think it's an odd, broad position to take considering how some states are far less impacted by this virus than others.

Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine

(CNN)There was a heated disagreement in the Situation Room this weekend over the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine -- but multiple sources say it was mostly one-sided, as President Donald Trump's top trade adviser Peter Navarro feuded with other officials over the drug's unproven effectiveness to treat coronavirus.

The debate is not a new one inside the coronavirus task force -- and medical experts have repeatedly explained to the President that there is a risk in enthusiastically touting hydroxychloroquine in case the drug doesn't ultimately work to combat the virus. But other aides and outside advisers have sided with Trump, including Navarro, who is still not a formal part of the task force but has wedged himself into the meetings.

Axios first reported on the disagreement inside the White House about the drug.

While discussing the latest on hydroxychloroquine this weekend, an exasperated Navarro lashed out at Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the advisers who has urged caution about the drug, a person familiar with the meeting told CNN.

Fauci's been good to have in our corner but OTOH reminds me of that saying "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He's too insular. Trump is wise to bring other people in and listen.

Yeah, let's listen to what the economist has to say over the health care professional with over 50 years experience during a pandemic.

Yeah, let's stay in our houses like hermits for two years. Brilliant plan. There will be NO viruses left likely, but also, no economy. And no America.

Great idea. Brilliant.

That's exactly what The VOR asshole would LOVE to see happen if it would destroy President Trump.

You're an idiot. But hey, when it comes to YOUR health, if you want to trust in an economist for your well-being, knock yourself out.

Personally, I'll side with the medical professionals when it comes to my health during this pandemic, and I'll do my best taking precautions to prevent myself from contracting this virus from some stupid fuck like you.

And one more thing assholes --- you and sue --- nobody said anything about staying in their homes without coming out for two years. That's just more of the loads of bullshit you idiots invent.

It truly is amazing how fucking stupid you retards are.

If Fauci a medical professional? He said he would take it if he had the virus.

Sorry, but you aren't making any sense. Learn English and then get back to me.

Of you get corvid will you refuse this drug?

Yes, because it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional. You on the other hand would take it because trump and an economist told you to, LOL. Good luck.

Who told you that it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional?

Are you telling me doctors are currently prescribing hydroxychloroquine for covid-19?

Of course they are. Who told you that they weren't?

Doctors are prescribing it for covid-19? Link me to that. There haven't even been clinical trials for this drug as a treatment for covid-19.

LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19

Fuck that. If you want to be a lab rat, go right ahead, not me.

This drug has been in use since 1955 in the US. Anybody with this virus right now should take this. Most with common sense would.

Since 1955 as a treatment for malaria.

Then tell me, why aren't all doctors across the country prescribing this covid-19 wonder drug? Let me guess, either none of them have "common sense" or they are all members of the deep state trying to harm trump's reelection.

This is used routinely by rheumatolgists for treating arthritis. It is hardly a risky drug. It is marketed under the name Plaquenil. Read the link below from the Arthritis foundation.

"...the sudden high demand comes from people and clinics that want to use hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 prevention or treatment, although the drug is not approved for either indication, and there is limited evidence to support its use in COVID-19. Researchers are preparing to launch rigorous studies of its safety and effectiveness. Despite that, people and clinicians are putting their hope in hydroxychloroquine (and chloroquine, a closely related drug). "

In other words, they are prescribing it. Some don't want it to be the answer for obvious reasons.

Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) Shortage Causing Concern | Arthritis Foundation

TDS morons won't do anything unless Adolph Schiffler tells them to do it.

You're calling the rest of the world "morons" for refusing to use an untested and dangerous drug, on the advice of a failed economist and a realty TV show host, and which the DOCTORS and INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALISTS on staff are advising against.

That is cult of personality at its finest.

you are totally FOS. The drug has been around for over 50 years and has been tested extensively. It is used on malaria and lupus and works. Calling it an untested and dangerous drug is just plain ignorant.

the real reason the dems and their funders in big pharma are fighting it is because it is available and CHBEAP. so no new patents for the drug companies and no obscene profits, and no massive funding flowing from pharma to the dems.

Wake the fuck up, thats what is really going on here.

It is untested for THIS use. Just like you shouldn't take heart medication for heartburn, you don't take a malaria drug for COVID. It has to be tested to ensure the drug doesn't act negatively with the symptoms or other treatments.

Nothing wrong with being hopeful but "try it, what have you got to lose" is irresponsible and stupid. What you "have to lose" is your life. That'd just be "Survival of the fittest" though and you support that right?

Untested for this use? I've seen articles linked all over this forum that show thousands of people have taken this drug for covid and the drug worked. Lefties are fighting this drug for partisan reasons, but they are on the losing side of this one.

Nobody is "fighting" it. Everyone hopes it will work. It has to be tested first. Trump is being irresponsible as usual in his rush to " open America back up".

Go slow to go fast.

People are dying today as I type this. If this drug can save some of them, they should be allowed to use it if recommended by their doctor.

the side affects are well known, it has been around for over 50 years and has gone generic. And thats the real reason the dems are fighting it, their big pharma funders cannot make billions off of a generic drug.

No one can stop any doctor from using any drug that has gone through FDA testing, so doctors are prescribing Hydroxychloroquinine and will continue to do so.

But the reason it needs to be fought is that any claim that Hydroxychloroquinine has any effect on a virus, is false. It is only useful in treating some side effects in some people who have severe COVID-19 cases. If you do not have a severe case of COVID-19 and the appropriate side effects, then Hydroxychloroquinine is harmful to you.

You'll have to excuse us if we don't accept your word on that.

You don't have to accept our word for it, you simply have to google the side effects of this drug. This drug is an immuno-suppressant. Unless your immune system has gone into dangerous overdrive, which only happens in the late and deadly stage of the disease, taking the drug can harm you. If you have any sort of heart condition, it can kill you.

Because of the dangers and the side effects, this is not a drug you give for "preventative measures". All of this information is readily available if you google.

Nobody ever said to take the drug as a preventative measure. It can be prescribed after you have been diagnosed with Covid-19 in an effort to keep you off a ventilator and out of ICU.

Yes, if your immune system goes into hyper-drive, which doesn't happen with every case. The peer reviewed report out of France did not say to use it to keep people off ventilators, they said to use it to suppress an immune system which malfunctions (something this virus may cause, but not neccessarily will cause). And they said it worked better and faster in comination - the Z-pack.

The link to the peer reviewed study was contained in one of the OAN links but it didn't say what the article claimed. OAN claimed the study said it cured 78 out of 80 participants. The study said it was used in 22 cases, and worked best in the Z-pack combination, in cases where the infection had spread to the lower respiratory track.

Doctors are using it from minor to major cases. They have had results with both. Would you like to hear a physician using the combo say that yes, one of their goals in using it is it to help keep people off of ventilators?

 

[Markle]

Our new cases continue to grow, dope.

NO ONE has said they would not. It is a PANDEMIC, we have taken monumental steps to slow the growth and that is WORKING, much to your disappointment. Why do you want tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people to die?

 

[Markle]

Slow the spread?
Our number of infected is more than double that of the next highest nation and we started later than them. Get real.

As I said, the only figures that matter are the Deaths/1M pop, which I have provided for you along with the link so you will not continue to be so ignorant of the subject.

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

Do you actually believe the figures coming out of China, Iran, and others? How quaint!

As I said, the only figures that matter are the Deaths/1M pop,

You said "the spread", dope.
Keep drinking that piss.

And, due to the superior care and availability of care in the United States, relatively few are dying. Why do you hate such great results?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

We've contained it where it counts. Very few cases in Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska, and the Dakotas.

It's not contained there, dope. It is growing. They are just weeks behind the coasts.

Fly over country looks safe to me.

Because you're an idiot.