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He actually received 81 million votes (supposedly) and his voters aren't embarrassed at all.


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Said by a Trump Humper?

Funny shit
I love Trump--he was a GREAT President who did a bunch of good for the country...while your choice Biden, needs someone to wipe his ass as he destroys the country. You wanna talk funny SHIT?


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Forgetting to double check my math, plus some domestic(homefront~spouse) distraction.

Still, we saw the 'basic" Federal/National Debt double during Obama's eight years in office.

Two items to remember;
1) The POTUS can recommend a Federal Budget, but Congress actually makes the budget and then the POTUS can either accept and sign-off, or decline and send back to Congress. Declining to accept and sign-off can result in a "government shutdown", which produces public negative feedback, and some economic repercussions. The last Budget Congress presented to Trump was way larger than he proposed/wanted, but under duress he signed-off on it.
Government shutdowns in the United States occur when there is a failure to enact funding legislation to finance the government for its next fiscal year or a temporary funding measure. Ever since a 1980 interpretation of the 1884 Antideficiency Act, a "lapse of appropriation" due to a political impasse on proposed appropriation bills requires that the US federal government curtail agency activities and services, close down non-essential operations, furlough non-essential workers, and only retain essential employees in departments covering the safety of human life or protection of property.[1] Voluntary services may only be accepted when required for the safety of life or property.[1] Shutdowns can also occur within and disrupt state, territorial, and local levels of government.

Since the enactment of the US government's current budget and appropriations process in 1976, there have been a total of 22 funding gaps in the federal budget, ten of which have led to federal employees being furloughed. Prior to 1980, funding gaps did not lead to government shutdowns, until Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti issued a legal opinion requiring the government to be shut down when a funding gap occurs.[2] This opinion was not consistently adhered to through the 1980s, but since 1990 all funding gaps lasting longer than a few hours have led to a shutdown.

Some of the most significant shutdowns in U.S. history have included the 21-day shutdown of 1995–1996 during the Bill Clinton administration over opposition to major spending cuts; the 16-day shutdown in 2013 during the Barack Obama administration caused by a dispute over implementation of the Affordable Care Act (ACA);[3] and the 35-day shutdown of 2018-2019 during the Donald Trump administration, the longest shutdown in US history,[4] caused by a dispute over the funding amount for an expansion of the U.S.–Mexico border barrier.[5][6]

Shutdowns cause the disruption of government services and programs, including the closure of national parks and institutions (in particular, due to shortages of federal employees). A major loss of government revenue comes from lost labor from furloughed employees who are still paid, as well as loss of fees that would have been paid during the shutdown. Shutdowns also cause a significant reduction in economic growth (depending on the length of the shutdown). During the 2013 shutdown, Standard & Poor's, the financial ratings agency, stated on October 16 that the shutdown had "to date taken $24 billion out of the economy", and "shaved at least 0.6 percent off annualized fourth-quarter 2013 GDP growth".[7]
See also;

Government Shutdowns in 1995, 2013, 2018, and 2019 Explained​

2) Federal Debt in dollars alone is not the gauge. Inflation over time provides a relativity factor to consider. For example, this on the 1980 Dollar versus the 2021 dollar;

Value of $1 from 1980 to 2021​

$1 in 1980 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $3.33 today, an increase of $2.33 over 41 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.98% per year between 1980 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 232.90%.

This means that today's prices are 3.33 times higher than average prices since 1980, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index. A dollar today only buys 30.03% of what it could buy back then.

The 1980 inflation rate was 13.50%. The current year-over-year inflation rate (2020 to 2021) is now 5.39%1. If this number holds, $1 today will be equivalent in buying power to $1.05 next year. The current inflation rate page gives more detail on the latest inflation rates.

A bit more on this in the next post ...

Reagan nearly tripled the debt.

He was followed by Bush who was on pace to more than double the national debt in 8 years before getting kicked out of office.

Then his son nearly doubled the debt in eight years.

Then Trump comes along and is on pace to about double the debt in 8 years before getting kicked out in 4.

Rightwingnuts: But... but... but... OBAMA!!!

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