Has Trump ever taken responsibility?

[lantern2814]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

 

[iceberg]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

I wasn't playing to win, dumbass.

 

[iceberg]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

You do realize you are now talking to yourself, right?

 

[lantern2814]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

I wasn't playing to win, dumbass.

Then don't play.

 

[lantern2814]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

You do realize you are now talking to yourself, right?

Hey dumb fuck, you do realize I was responding to an ignorant liar who does nothing but put up funny faces because the idiot has no rebuttal right? Looks like it was you who spent 5 years in the sixth grade. Dumbass.

 

[iceberg]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

I wasn't playing to win, dumbass.

Then don't play.

i'm not playing, i'm talking over issues with people.

stop being an asswhipe.

 

[iceberg]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

You do realize you are now talking to yourself, right?

Hey dumb fuck, you do realize I was responding to an ignorant liar who does nothing but put up funny faces because the idiot has no rebuttal right? Looks like it was you who spent 5 years in the sixth grade. Dumbass.

you really do have issues. if you look back, turn off "ignore this shit" (which i did to make sure i wasn't missing anything) order of responses is now:

me - here
you - replying to my sarcasm
me - my sarcasm
previous 2 responses are from you. "so, nothing but funny faces" is in direct response to your post "sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize...

so you attacked yourself.

now - fuck off.

 

[Coyote]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

You do realize you are now talking to yourself, right?

Hey dumb fuck, you do realize I was responding to an ignorant liar who does nothing but put up funny faces because the idiot has no rebuttal right? Looks like it was you who spent 5 years in the sixth grade. Dumbass.

Try cleaning up your language and posting thoughtful responses for a change and you might get something more than laughter.

Try inserting actual evidence to support your positions, something besides calling people "lying ignorant Obozo shills" and screaming TDS and you might get some actual conversation.

 

[Meathead]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

You do realize you are now talking to yourself, right?

Hey dumb fuck, you do realize I was responding to an ignorant liar who does nothing but put up funny faces because the idiot has no rebuttal right? Looks like it was you who spent 5 years in the sixth grade. Dumbass.

Try cleaning up your language and posting thoughtful responses for a change and you might get something more than laughter.

Try inserting actual evidence to support your positions, something besides calling people "lying ignorant Obozo shills" and screaming TDS and you might get some actual conversation.

If you quit being such a self-righteous twat, you might get something more than derision.

 

[Pogo]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

You do realize you are now talking to yourself, right?

Hey dumb fuck, you do realize I was responding to an ignorant liar who does nothing but put up funny faces because the idiot has no rebuttal right? Looks like it was you who spent 5 years in the sixth grade. Dumbass.

Try cleaning up your language and posting thoughtful responses for a change and you might get something more than laughter.

Try inserting actual evidence to support your positions, something besides calling people "lying ignorant Obozo shills" and screaming TDS and you might get some actual conversation.

If you quit being such a self-righteous twat, you might get something more than derision.

If Rump wasn't such a narcissistic twat this thread might have had some answers by now.
With a normal human there would not have even been a reason for the question in the first place.

 

[Coyote]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Here's what a reasonable person would post, ignoring your grade school insults which comprise most of your posts.

Obama's been out of office for 3 years. What happens now is on Trump. You can forgive mistakes early on in an administration, there is a learning curve. But he's three years in and you are still blaming Obama.

Trump was/is responsible for making sure our medical stockpile is adequately stocked. It doesn't matter if his predecessor didn't leave it fully stocked. It's Trump's job NOW. And for the past 3 years. I pointed out elsewhere that if you or I were in charge of something like that, and three years into our job, there was an emergency and the stockpile found to be deficient - we'd be fired. No boss is going to take "but but the guy before me left it empty" as a valid excuse for not doing your job.

Secondly - the issue of massive disorganization, communication at cross currents, and high turnover rates within this Administration is well documented. It exceeds the normal attrition that occurs in most administrations. When you have high turn over like that - you lose history, continuity, and public confidence. When you have an administration beset with infighting, and a president who consistently contradicts what his people say - you worsen the problem. And, as a last factor - assigning clearly incompetent and inexperienced people to a critical job like overseeing the pandemic response absolutely erodes public confidence. Pence - good choice. But now we have Jared Kushner - working his own "shadow" response team. WTH?

 

[Pogo]

​

 

[Coyote]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

 

[iceberg]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

You do realize you are now talking to yourself, right?

Hey dumb fuck, you do realize I was responding to an ignorant liar who does nothing but put up funny faces because the idiot has no rebuttal right? Looks like it was you who spent 5 years in the sixth grade. Dumbass.

Try cleaning up your language and posting thoughtful responses for a change and you might get something more than laughter.

Try inserting actual evidence to support your positions, something besides calling people "lying ignorant Obozo shills" and screaming TDS and you might get some actual conversation.

If you quit being such a self-righteous twat, you might get something more than derision.

Her and I are on opposite ends far more often than not. So obviously she is capable of debating issues. But she is like, me in that if you want to dig into insults n stupidity, she can do that too.

We all can.

Now if only more would do that vs keeping the insults flying 24x7. That's on you.

 

[Meathead]

Obama's been out of office for 3 years. What happens now is on Trump. You can forgive mistakes early on in an administration, there is a learning curve. But he's three years in and you are still blaming Obama.

Aha! It took the virus to make the economy Trump's.

We get it.

 

[Meathead]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Obama's been out of office 3 years. Don't you think it's time to get over him?

Seems you’re illiterate as well as a lying, ignorant apologist for Obozo. YOU mentioned him idiot. So now you get to listen to the truth about his incompetence. So Mayberry you should take your own advice. Your desperation is clear.

dude...

the 6th grade must have been the hardest 3 years of your life.

Sorry, you lose too, take your lousy consolation prize. Calling an idiotic liar out on her idiocy is bad? Well too bad.

So, nothing but funny faces to attempt to cover your total lack of any actual argument. Expected from a lying ignorant Obozo shill. You lose again,

You do realize you are now talking to yourself, right?

Hey dumb fuck, you do realize I was responding to an ignorant liar who does nothing but put up funny faces because the idiot has no rebuttal right? Looks like it was you who spent 5 years in the sixth grade. Dumbass.

Try cleaning up your language and posting thoughtful responses for a change and you might get something more than laughter.

Try inserting actual evidence to support your positions, something besides calling people "lying ignorant Obozo shills" and screaming TDS and you might get some actual conversation.

If you quit being such a self-righteous twat, you might get something more than derision.

Her and I are on opposite ends far more often than not. So obviously she is capable of debating issues. But she is like, me in that if you want to dig into insults n stupidity, she can do that too.

We all can.

Now if only more would do that vs keeping the insults flying 24x7. That's on you.

What is your native language?

Just curious.

 

[Coyote]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Here's what a reasonable person would post, ignoring your grade school insults which comprise most of your posts.

Obama's been out of office for 3 years. What happens now is on Trump. You can forgive mistakes early on in an administration, there is a learning curve. But he's three years in and you are still blaming Obama.

Trump was/is responsible for making sure our medical stockpile is adequately stocked. It doesn't matter if his predecessor didn't leave it fully stocked. It's Trump's job NOW. And for the past 3 years. I pointed out elsewhere that if you or I were in charge of something like that, and three years into our job, there was an emergency and the stockpile found to be deficient - we'd be fired. No boss is going to take "but but the guy before me left it empty" as a valid excuse for not doing your job.

Secondly - the issue of massive disorganization, communication at cross currents, and high turnover rates within this Administration is well documented. It exceeds the normal attrition that occurs in most administrations. When you have high turn over like that - you lose history, continuity, and public confidence. When you have an administration beset with infighting, and a president who consistently contradicts what his people say - you worsen the problem. And, as a last factor - assigning clearly incompetent and inexperienced people to a critical job like overseeing the pandemic response absolutely erodes public confidence. Pence - good choice. But now we have Jared Kushner - working his own "shadow" response team. WTH?

Aha! It took the virus to make the economy Trump's.

We get it.

According to who?

Trump inherited a healthy economy. He deserves credit for ginning it up. If it fails, it will be on him as well. Just like the slow recovery was on Obama. Even though imo presidents don't have that much effect on the economy - they do end up politically owning it.

 

[Meathead]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
-----
initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
-----
so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
-----
just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Here's what a reasonable person would post, ignoring your grade school insults which comprise most of your posts.

Obama's been out of office for 3 years. What happens now is on Trump. You can forgive mistakes early on in an administration, there is a learning curve. But he's three years in and you are still blaming Obama.

Trump was/is responsible for making sure our medical stockpile is adequately stocked. It doesn't matter if his predecessor didn't leave it fully stocked. It's Trump's job NOW. And for the past 3 years. I pointed out elsewhere that if you or I were in charge of something like that, and three years into our job, there was an emergency and the stockpile found to be deficient - we'd be fired. No boss is going to take "but but the guy before me left it empty" as a valid excuse for not doing your job.

Secondly - the issue of massive disorganization, communication at cross currents, and high turnover rates within this Administration is well documented. It exceeds the normal attrition that occurs in most administrations. When you have high turn over like that - you lose history, continuity, and public confidence. When you have an administration beset with infighting, and a president who consistently contradicts what his people say - you worsen the problem. And, as a last factor - assigning clearly incompetent and inexperienced people to a critical job like overseeing the pandemic response absolutely erodes public confidence. Pence - good choice. But now we have Jared Kushner - working his own "shadow" response team. WTH?

Aha! It took the virus to make the economy Trump's.

We get it.

According to who?

Trump inherited a healthy economy. He deserves credit for ginning it up. If it fails, it will be on him as well. Just like the slow recovery was on Obama. Even though imo presidents don't have that much effect on the economy - they do end up politically owning it.

We get the rear-guard bit too. Obama took 8 years to take a last-place team to a .500 season. Trump took one year to take it into a three-peat champion, but we were reminded that Obama laid the groundwork.

Then ZAP! It became Trump's show a couple of weeks ago.

 

[bendog]

And Corona is an unfair metric. I agree with that.

Care to explain your rationale? For it seems to me, the implication is to justify Trump failing to take responsibility for the grossly inadequate response to the pandemic. That probably starts with dismantling the national Pandemic Response Team, and goes on with taking no action in response to the dismal results of a pandemic response exercise in 2019, right up to leaving the States out there haggling over, and out-bidding each other over the acquisition of, desperately needed supplies, and that's just for starters.

Because, or so Trump would inform us, "Nobody could have seen the likes of coronavirus coming."

because we're talking overall, not this one metric. i can't say "trump never accepts responsibility" if i can do adequate research into his entire past. you can say he didn't take it for CORONA but that's not the same as "never takes it" now is it?

now - what else did trump say other than "I don't take responsibility"?

lag in testing was a failing - do you take responsibility for that?

so we're asking trump does he take responsibility for the lag in testing. not covid. not much of anything else.

the video in question:


"Dr Fauchi said the lag in testing was in fact a failing and do you take responsibility for that"?

this is the question - is it trumps fault we had a lag in testing?

let's look - from CNN - Here's why the US is behind in coronavirus testing
"The whole diagnostic capability of the United States against this disease was hung up on one test being produced at CDC," said Konyndyk, formerly a director with the US Agency for International Development and now with the Center for Global Development. "And when that test failed, all of the testing outside of it, outside of what CDC itself could do and its own lab, was held up. That kept us from having visibility on domestic transmission of the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks."
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initial test failed. this held up other testing for 2 weeks. why the delay? looks like RED TAPE.

more from the article:

On February 29, FDA issued new guidance that allowed certain US labs to test for coronavirus using diagnostics the labs developed and validated, before the agency reviewed them.

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's Department of Laboratory Medicine and one of the letter's signatories, said the emergency-use authorization process in place in February would have taken weeks for clinical labs and others to clear.

"You have to give credit to the FDA, they have changed their policies significantly," said Greninger, who added that the transmissibility of the coronavirus seemed to defy regulations previously established by the government. "How do you regulate something you've never seen before?"
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so we're in uncharted waters. the old methods worked fine for smaller issues. since we've never seen this before, our own regulations got in our way and we had to get around that. sounds like we did. this should be reviewed in a POST MORTEM for process improvement. not blame. post mortems are never the place to shove blame. you want these to be unbiased and actionable to the process, not the person. hence my issue w/schiff. 1, his motives are wrong and 2. his timing is horrible. focus on resolving this THEN the post mortem.

more from the story as to the delay:
Even though commercial labs ramped up the testing, medical workers at several state health departments, hospitals and labs told CNN that they're running low on materials needed to conduct the tests, like swabs, reagents, which are the testing chemicals, and pipettes, which are tools for transporting liquids. The shortage forced Minnesota and Ohio to limit testing to the most vulnerable patients
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just flat out are not equipped at any given time to test and entire country. should we be? good question; for later.

so - based on the question asked and NOTHING ELSE - how was trump personally responsible for this delay in testing that would have required him, for the sake of honesty, to take responsibility for this?

True.

I can think of several metrics in regards Covid19 where it can be argued Trump does bear responsibility.

1. Restocking the national stockpile of medical supplies. Yes, Obama should have restocked during his administration, but didn't. That doesn't really go as an argument. The president's responsibility is to make sure it is stocked during his administration. If I took over a job as an emergency coordinator and found out 3 years in the stockpile was low - I'd be fired. I would have been expected to check at the beginning and replenish, regardless of what my predecessor had done.

2. I'm not even sure how to word this one so I'll be blunt - complete and ongoing bungling in delegating, assigning qualified people, retaining qualified people, and heeding the advice of qualified people when it comes to addressing this crisis. Multiple changes in leadership of multiple and competing (and often not communicating) groups attempting to work on this has created a morass of conflicts and inaction. Not listening to, and in fact outright contradicting the public advice of his chosen experts has led to public confusion and contradictory policies. This is not unique to this situation - it's reflective of Trump's overall approach to organization in his Administration, but in this particular case the repercussions become obvious and can cost lives. This is a situation where having a "bureaucracy" is beneficial - having people who know how the system works, what strings to pull, and who to go to is important. And speaking with ONE voice is critical. We have an undisciplined president publicly contradicting his own experts - that does not lead to confidence this crisis is being well handled.

No, the President is handling this well according to over 60% of the country. Note this ignorant, uneducated tool STILL gives Obozo a pass for not doing his job and continues to say it’s Trump’s fault. No matter what he has done, idiots like you whine and cry about it. Let’s be blunt. You’re a TDS afflicted liar. Period.

Here's what a reasonable person would post, ignoring your grade school insults which comprise most of your posts.

Obama's been out of office for 3 years. What happens now is on Trump. You can forgive mistakes early on in an administration, there is a learning curve. But he's three years in and you are still blaming Obama.

Trump was/is responsible for making sure our medical stockpile is adequately stocked. It doesn't matter if his predecessor didn't leave it fully stocked. It's Trump's job NOW. And for the past 3 years. I pointed out elsewhere that if you or I were in charge of something like that, and three years into our job, there was an emergency and the stockpile found to be deficient - we'd be fired. No boss is going to take "but but the guy before me left it empty" as a valid excuse for not doing your job.

Secondly - the issue of massive disorganization, communication at cross currents, and high turnover rates within this Administration is well documented. It exceeds the normal attrition that occurs in most administrations. When you have high turn over like that - you lose history, continuity, and public confidence. When you have an administration beset with infighting, and a president who consistently contradicts what his people say - you worsen the problem. And, as a last factor - assigning clearly incompetent and inexperienced people to a critical job like overseeing the pandemic response absolutely erodes public confidence. Pence - good choice. But now we have Jared Kushner - working his own "shadow" response team. WTH?

Aha! It took the virus to make the economy Trump's.

We get it.

According to who?

Trump inherited a healthy economy. He deserves credit for ginning it up. If it fails, it will be on him as well. Just like the slow recovery was on Obama. Even though imo presidents don't have that much effect on the economy - they do end up politically owning it.

We get the rear-guard bit too. Obama took 8 years to take a last-place team to a .500 season. Trump took one year to take it into a three-peat champion, but we were reminded that Obama laid the groundwork.

Then ZAP! It became Trump's show a couple of weeks ago.

Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

 

[mudwhistle]

Can you provide some examples then?

Taking responsibility is an important part of leadership.

Taking responsibility for a lie created by the media isn't part of being a good leader.

Are you saying all his bad policy rollouts ad outcomes are lies created by media?

You might have to list them because I don't think anything he's rolled out is bad....maybe bad for Anti-American Democrats who side against their own country in favor of China and Russia....but not bad for me.

Post 265 of this thread. And - it's not about the policies themselves (obviously we will disagree there) - it's about how they were rolled out and implemented that was badly done.

Anyone can be critical by being an armchair QB.
Try making suggestions on how to improve on something everyone seems to have been surprised by....including House Democrats who were busy impeaching Trump even though many of them had already been briefed on the virus.